Would you let your self-driving vehicle kill you?

I think that at the point that self driving cars are widely adopted, cars that prioritize the driver over everything else will be banned. Why? It could easily be used by hackers, terrorists, or pretty much any one how wants to break the law.

Uh... any normal car today can be used by terrorists or anyone who wants to break the law already, so how is that even relevant?
 
Uh... any normal car today can be used by terrorists or anyone who wants to break the law already, so how is that even relevant?

I think you may have not read the entire article and only read my one comment. This is an article about self-driving cars in the future, not now. Making a statement about the now while calling a statement on the future irrelevant, one that the article is about, is ironic at best.
 
Might sound selfish, but, nah, killing myself because some people are responsible for an accident, even if it means reducing casualties? Not for me, sorry!
This is getting to the point where technology is replacing people's will and/or ability to actually think about their actions, and consequently their responsibility.
What if people start thinking that whatever dumb move they take on the road, other responsible driver's cars will let them get their scot free?
This raises a lot of quesions...

This issue need some *very* careful thinking IMHO...
 
I think you may have not read the entire article and only read my one comment. This is an article about self-driving cars in the future, not now. Making a statement about the now while calling a statement on the future irrelevant, one that the article is about, is ironic at best.
You made it sound like it would be some sort of a new problem, which it is not, since manually controlled vehicles are already around. But I see your point now IF you were to consider a future where manually controlled vehicles are already banned anyways.

I definitely wouldn't want to live in that kind of future however... I strongly oppose the ideology that individuals should be viewed as a utility for the greater whole. Certain freedoms should never be taken away from the individual, and banning vehicles that are manually controlled or even those that prioritize the driver over everything else (safety wise) is in my opinion clearly crossing that line.
 
Lets be real here! #1 When in the entire world would this happen? WHEN? 110% NEVER!!! The ONLY time groups of people would walk into the middle of the road is in town. Meaning speed limits is at max 45mph! Now I know from 45mph to lets say 5 mph, cuz lets be real if somethings going 5 mph the pedestrians can avoid getting hit, anyway my prius can do that in less than 50 feet if I slam on the breaks! If a car can't sense farther than the stopping distance (which they can) then there would be a problem. And most of the time if your down town or someplace there is a lot of people speed limits are 25mph. stopping distance is a couple feet! Buy a new car and slam on your breaks! It does not take that long to stop! The biggest issue is people don't pay attention to the road and having a computer monitor that would prevent fatalities. Why ask questions for something that simply would never happen? BUT lets say the breaks failed which would be the only exception to this. easy fix. #1 horn goes on. #2 move right into a building but not strait into it! If everyone knows that if a car honks move right cuz the car is moving to its right then it wouldn't be a big issue. A car is only 6 foot wide! It takes less than a second for a person to step out of a cars way! Again we are talking about groups of people here not just one person. Groups of people don't walk when they are not suppose to and if they do there are no cars around when they decide to walk. These issues shouldn't even be talked about! Also at very least have a tiny camera that video tapes the last 20min before an accident. This way if some dumb ***** tries to get hit so he can sue someone they wont have a case.
 
I think this is a legitimate issue, accidents happen, autonomous cars are not going to make this go away, plus hacking and software glitches. It's a serious topic
 
You made it sound like it would be some sort of a new problem, which it is not, since manually controlled vehicles are already around. But I see your point now IF you were to consider a future where manually controlled vehicles are already banned anyways.

I definitely wouldn't want to live in that kind of future however... I strongly oppose the ideology that individuals should be viewed as a utility for the greater whole. Certain freedoms should never be taken away from the individual, and banning vehicles that are manually controlled or even those that prioritize the driver over everything else (safety wise) is in my opinion clearly crossing that line.

Taking away the ability to drive is like taking away the plow from farmers. It was a chore to begin with and automation only serves to help.
 
Lets be real here! #1 When in the entire world would this happen? WHEN? 110% NEVER!!! The ONLY time groups of people would walk into the middle of the road is in town. Meaning speed limits is at max 45mph! Now I know from 45mph to lets say 5 mph, cuz lets be real if somethings going 5 mph the pedestrians can avoid getting hit, anyway my prius can do that in less than 50 feet if I slam on the breaks! If a car can't sense farther than the stopping distance (which they can) then there would be a problem. And most of the time if your down town or someplace there is a lot of people speed limits are 25mph. stopping distance is a couple feet! Buy a new car and slam on your breaks! It does not take that long to stop! The biggest issue is people don't pay attention to the road and having a computer monitor that would prevent fatalities. Why ask questions for something that simply would never happen? BUT lets say the breaks failed which would be the only exception to this. easy fix. #1 horn goes on. #2 move right into a building but not strait into it! If everyone knows that if a car honks move right cuz the car is moving to its right then it wouldn't be a big issue. A car is only 6 foot wide! It takes less than a second for a person to step out of a cars way! Again we are talking about groups of people here not just one person. Groups of people don't walk when they are not suppose to and if they do there are no cars around when they decide to walk. These issues shouldn't even be talked about! Also at very least have a tiny camera that video tapes the last 20min before an accident. This way if some dumb ***** tries to get hit so he can sue someone they wont have a case.
I think you missed the point entirely. The article doesn't relate just to groups of people walking into the road. What if a car has a blowout on a motorway and causes a pile up involving a bus full of people. Your car is close behind and has a choice of crashing into the bus and potentially causing 40+ casualties or crashing your Prius into a brick wall 2m to the left potentially killing the occupants of your car. The machine would value the 40+ over your potential 4/5 lives unless it was to self preserve over the greater good.
However you drive a Prius so I wouldn't expect you to understand :p
 
Taking away the ability to drive is like taking away the plow from farmers. It was a chore to begin with and automation only serves to help.
I'm pretty sure the plow isn't outlawed, most farmers just don't use it anymore. Just because driving is a chore for you doesn't mean it has to be outlawed for everyone. You can drive all the self-driving cars you want when they come out, but many people (including me) actually love driving, and I know for a fact that no matter how advanced or affordable self driving cars might become I will always want to drive real cars with manual transmissions.
In my opinion, to be able to drive your own vehicle, under your complete control, anywhere you want, is a type of freedom that is too important to be outlawed. A somewhat similar argument maybe to what a gun lobbyist in the US might bring forth about the freedom to arm yourself, except this might have even more legitimacy due to the fact that cars are not primarily used to kill people.
 
So when autonomous vehicles become the norm, remember to walk around in large groups

I would say, don't be an ahole and respect everyones right to get back home safely =)
 
This is the type of question that comes up when Gagme insists on removing all control from the passenger or driver of the car.

Personally, I do not think many people would buy a car that in certain circumstances is programmed to kill its passengers - as much as I like the idea of a self-driving car, I would not buy a car that is programmed to kill me in any circumstance.

This is the type of "what if" scenario that rarely happens. However, if we as a society are going to go to cars that have no user control available to them, then the sensors on those cars need to be better than air traffic radar, and programmed to anticipate the occurrence of such circumstances - IMO.

And here is another scenario that these egg heads should consider, IMHO: What happens when the GPS data is wrong and the car turns down an on or off ramp that leads to a 100 foot drop? Will the car be able to detect that there is no road?
 
I'm pretty sure the plow isn't outlawed, most farmers just don't use it anymore. Just because driving is a chore for you doesn't mean it has to be outlawed for everyone. You can drive all the self-driving cars you want when they come out, but many people (including me) actually love driving, and I know for a fact that no matter how advanced or affordable self driving cars might become I will always want to drive real cars with manual transmissions.
In my opinion, to be able to drive your own vehicle, under your complete control, anywhere you want, is a type of freedom that is too important to be outlawed. A somewhat similar argument maybe to what a gun lobbyist in the US might bring forth about the freedom to arm yourself, except this might have even more legitimacy due to the fact that cars are not primarily used to kill people.

I'm not saying outlaw driving but having all the cars on the road being autonomous is the safest way to go. There can manual driver areas/track specified by the government or made by a company.
 
I'm not saying outlaw driving but having all the cars on the road being autonomous is the safest way to go. There can manual driver areas/track specified by the government or made by a company.

No, I'm not talking about specific roads/closed off tracks. And you're absolutely right, it will be much safer to have autonomous vehicles on the road only.
But I think, at least in my opinion this is a case where freedom should be put above safety, if only out of principle. You wouldn't want to stay inside your house all your life just because it's safer, either. And some people, at least in the US, also believe that the freedom to carry firearms is more important than the statistically lesser safety that comes with that freedom.
I think this will be a similar issue.
 
No, I'm not talking about specific roads/closed off tracks. And you're absolutely right, it will be much safer to have autonomous vehicles on the road only.
But I think, at least in my opinion this is a case where freedom should be put above safety, if only out of principle. You wouldn't want to stay inside your house all your life just because it's safer, either. And some people, at least in the US, also believe that the freedom to carry firearms is more important than the statistically lesser safety that comes with that freedom.
I think this will be a similar issue.

I really don't think using the way people protect their guns is a smart move to pair with driving, especially after the recent mass shooting. I can understand having the freedom to drive your car but there is absolutely no need to have an automatic rifle to defend yourself in a civilized country. Just look at texas with it's near daily guns killings

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mom-kills-daughters-20160627-snap-story.html

Woman killed her own daughters after a small tiff and she was a gun advocate. When weapons that can easily kill people are so freely available that people start bringing them into small arguments there is a serious problem.
 
When weapons that can easily kill people are so freely available that people start bringing them into small arguments there is a serious problem.
Yeah it is called diversity and we are welcoming even greater diversity. So I don't see anything getting better at all.
 
Electric cars. self-driving cars. flying cars. For the last three decades and all of these technologies have been around the corner but nothing yet to come. People are more interested in science fiction than science fact because they are both just entertainment on television to the average person. I feel like the Starship Enterprise 1701-E Will be available to the public before any of these cars?
 
I think you missed the point entirely. The article doesn't relate just to groups of people walking into the road. What if a car has a blowout on a motorway and causes a pile up involving a bus full of people. Your car is close behind and has a choice of crashing into the bus and potentially causing 40+ casualties or crashing your Prius into a brick wall 2m to the left potentially killing the occupants of your car. The machine would value the 40+ over your potential 4/5 lives unless it was to self preserve over the greater good.
However you drive a Prius so I wouldn't expect you to understand :p
I might have a Prius but I also have a Tesla and make over $300,000/year. I have several Prius's for the company I own. That's besides the point. 1st have you ever blown a tire on the interstate? I have I was going 80mph and I when it blew I didn't even know that's what happened cuz it just felt like I was on the rumble strip, the car just was shaking a little. I pulled over and stopped and changed out my tire. Again people like you are the hindrance of progress and think up things that probably will never even happen! 2nd have you ever seen a car wreck involving a bus?! I have several times and guess what! Not one person on the bus ever died but people who have hit them have. This is one of the reasons buses do not have seat belts! They are really much safer than cars. here is a good example https://I.ytimg.com/vi/GEOsB_o6EMg/maxresdefault.jpg the hummer hit the back of the bus and the driver was probably killed the bus however has very little damage and I bet everyone in the bus servived!
 
I might have a Prius but I also have a Tesla and make over $300,000/year. I have several Prius's for the company I own. That's besides the point. 1st have you ever blown a tire on the interstate? I have I was going 80mph and I when it blew I didn't even know that's what happened cuz it just felt like I was on the rumble strip, the car just was shaking a little. I pulled over and stopped and changed out my tire. Again people like you are the hindrance of progress and think up things that probably will never even happen! 2nd have you ever seen a car wreck involving a bus?! I have several times and guess what! Not one person on the bus ever died but people who have hit them have. This is one of the reasons buses do not have seat belts! They are really much safer than cars. here is a good example https://I.ytimg.com/vi/GEOsB_o6EMg/maxresdefault.jpg the hummer hit the back of the bus and the driver was probably killed the bus however has very little damage and I bet everyone in the bus servived!
The Prius comment was a joke, chill and your yearly salary is irrelevant.

Also the thing that will probably never happen is often why big companies end up in high profile court cases paying damages to severely injured individuals or their bereaved family. It is also why this question is being asked in the first place. It is all part of progress being made.
 
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