"You took my time, and you took my money"

By MYOB
Jun 19, 2005
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  1. And that quote from True Faith is the only thing that can now adequately describe my attitude to Formula One after todays farce. I have a suitably angsty teen rant over at the even more suitable LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/myob/8841.html (WARNING! text may not meet TS rules on profanity!)

    Hopefully, this destabilises F1 enough to force the works teams out of it. Big business has destroyed the sport I loved.
  2. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Yes, I was watching that race on the TV earlier, and that was just absurd!!! I've been following formula one since I was a kid, and I've never seen anything like that.

    The next most absurd incident I can think of was at the Spa circuit a few years ago in extreme wet weather and the Grand Prix WASN'T being cancelled in spite of cars hitting each other hard left, right and center, and entyre wheels breaking off, breaking away from the safety cords, bouncing 10-20 feet in the air across the track and almost into the crowd. And that incident doesn't come close to tha absurdity of this.

    I can understand the position of the Michelin runners though - and while I'm happy to see works teams remain, and the tyre wars, I do think that there needs to be an 'over-riding' rule for such situations so that cars can contravene the regulations a little, if only to provide a racing spectacle and the teams concerned get no points.

    Listening to Coulthards radio though on the warm-up lap - he was still trying to get out and race even untill the very last few seconds before coming in.

    And then there's the Jordan team, and MAN do they have a lot to answer for!!!! They agreed they wouldn't run if the michelin guys couldn't run, and then backtracked, forcing the Minardi team to run as well. If Jordan hadn't run, then Minardi wouldn't have had to run, leaving only the Ferraris, and so something would have had to have been done, or the race would have had to have been cancelled and fans would have gotten their money back.

    The whole thing just stunk, and only served to show that there's just no decent communication between teams anymore, and there's FAR too much inteference going on from various bodies, most notably, the FIA.
  3. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    Spa 98 - the really wet year where everyone hit each other - WAS restarted. Too damn late, with most teams being down either one or both cars - Sauber ran with their T car, and Herbert's one literally gaffer taped back together. And Jordan came 1-2.

    As I said - Eddie wouldn't have run that race. And I mean Jordan, not Irvine.
  4. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Yes, it was restarted, but IMHO, it should never have started in the first place in that weather. There was just too much surface water and the cars couldn't stick to the road. If I recall, there were still a number of nasty accidents during the race. Not sure if they red flagged it towards the end.

    As for Eddie, I think you're right. He wouldn't have raced. I didn't read your LJ before I posted though. In hindsight, I probably should have, and then I would have known it was Spa 98. lol
  5. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

  6. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    In case anyone thinks Jordan only won that race because of the crash - they didn't. That yellow car that was -ahead- of the entire crash was Damon Hill, and Ralf Schumacher was among the crash but pulled into the side of the circuit and just didn't get hit.

    It wasn't red flagged, it actually started to dry up and the Jordan team were bricking it as Ralfie seemed to be trying to race Damon for 1st - they were well ahead, being the only team that had both drivers in their real cars undamaged other than the ones with absolutely no hope - Minardi, for instance... Ran full distance, and they didn't even have the Irish national anthem for the podium celebrations - last time it had been used was in 1982 for Watson.
  7. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    Couldn't agree more - Jordan won that race fair and square - they were the best team on the day.

    Incidentally MYOB, do you know anything about the rumopurs of that russian guy thinking about offloading the team somewhere, and a consortium of people lead by Eddie himself coming back to run it again?
  8. RealBlackStuff

    RealBlackStuff Newcomer, in training Posts: 8,165

    I heard that Eddie Irvine has plans to buy up the team. After Michael Schumacher, he made the most money in F1 and I think he can afford it. Not sure if he is going the same way then as Alain Prost...

    Don't think we'll ever see another F1 in the USA, stupid eejits!
    Ferrari was right not to accept the extra chicane. Michelin was right to advise not to race. The FIA was wrong to not being able to sort out this mess.
    Tire-changes should be allowed again, it's the only thing that keeps those cars on the track!

    IMHO they should re-race at another venue, and do not give any points to the teams that did race. Ferrari should have had the good grace to bow out after a few rounds, or even join the others at the end of the warm-up lap.
    The whole event was a farce, a shambles and perhaps even the end of F1 as such.
  9. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    Irvine was quoted 60 million to buy the team, and he then said something along the lines "I could start my own team for that". Theres a lot of rumours of a Jordan-Lola-$ENGINEMAKER in the GPWC (Lola are also Irish now, albeit still HQ'ed in the UK). Another possibility is that they'll enter A1GP.

    There may be another US GP. Won't ever be Indy again (then again, they said that in 1960...). Vegas street circuit has been suggested, to try to get a Monaco-like glamour back in.
  10. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    I don't know. I'm worried that a Vegas Street circuit might result sooner or later in the loss of Monaco from the calendar. :(

    I mean, Monaco is on its last legs really, in spit of the recently (last few years) refurbished pit lane. The roads just aren't up to scratch anymore (or so it's said - though somewhat reluctantly). I'm concerned that a few years down the line they might decide that one street circuit is enough for F1, and so ditch Monte.
  11. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    But we already have two street circuits - Albert Parlk...
     
  12. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    You know, I've been watching since the late 80's. I've seen Senna, mansell, and schumy in the same race. I remember Senna dying, and I remember them mentioning the 'Senna S' for ages afterwards. I remember Villeneuve when he was a champion. I remember the feud between Schumy and Damon Hill, who I remember winning the championship. I remember Berger. I remember Haikonnen even! I even remember the name Alex Wurtz!

    I seem to remember thinking that even though Murray Walker said for years ansd years previously that he'll know he's going to retire before anybody else knows, because He won't let it get to a stage where he can't keep up, I thought quite regularly that he was finding it harder and harder to keep up with race events and was corrected by Martin Brundle more and more.

    When I had a Mega Drive (long time ago) I became a true expert at Santa Marino GP and knew the layout of every track like the back of my hand.

    All this, and you know, I thought that Monte Carlo was home to the only street circuit in F1. :confused: ah well. <sigh>
  13. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    hehehehe

    Since 1990 for me, and I only realised that they race Interlagos backwards a year ago...
  14. RealBlackStuff

    RealBlackStuff Newcomer, in training Posts: 8,165

    I've seen the likes of Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Jackie Stewart, Graf von Trips, Stirling Moss, etc., all live, racing in Zandvoort, Holland back in the late fifties, early sixties. Those were the days... I'm still following it, but after the boring Schumacher years it's time for a real change!
    I really wish Senna and Mansell were still racing!
    Both of them could run circles around Schumi.
  15. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    Right, you're a LOT older than I thought you were :eek:
  16. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    I'm not sure I'd like to see Senna still racing (especially in a jaguar! I should imagine he's blend in with it by now!)

    As for Mansell, didn't he make a brief comeback with Maclaren, and screwed up the start (to used to Indycar)?

    I must admit though, Schumachers strength was non-existent until those names left. I think he was starting to get a little more competetive close to the end of Senna's career/life. His real strength though is in getting the team behind him and improving the car. He did become a master of the wet, I'll admit, But if Mansell and Senna were current drivers, I agree, Schumy would be a constant 3rd place.

    To be honest mind, I was starting to get a bit bored with the maclaren years that the ferrari years ended. No 1 team should be able to dominate too long.
  17. MYOB

    MYOB Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 527

    Iterate that upwards again, his profile says retired....

    RBS - I thought you were at most 30...
  18. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    LOL! So did I! Still, It doesnt really matter, but wow!
  19. IronDuke

    IronDuke Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,267

    Spike you're too young to have seen F1 in its glory. The days of Jochen Rindt, Ronnie Peterson & Nikki Lauda.

    I remember watching Rindt in I believe 1970 come round Casino (possibly, memory is wearing out) with three wheels in the air.

    F1 died quite a few years ago for me.

    It you want to watch some real action go two wheels. All classes in Moto GP will keep you on the edge of your seat. Except for the 500cc - here the Doctor will have you on the floor.
  20. Spike

    Spike Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,371

    To be honest, I'm far from excited at the races these days. I'm more interested by what zany/bizarre/rediculous situation is coming next. That doesn't really say much about the races really does it? lol

    Seriously though, I probably am too young to know F1 in it's glory years.

    Strangely enough, I think F1 started REALLY going downhill after the ban on slick tyres in an effort to slow the cars down. More and more interference has just brought the sport further and further down hill since then. The regulations these days are far too unforgiving and there's far to many of them. Personally, I feel that The FIA is run by a bunch of control freaks. I do believe that even Bernie Ecclestone was dissapointed by this last farce.
  21. IronDuke

    IronDuke Newcomer, in training Posts: 1,267

    If you're watching for the comedy content - carry on. ;)
    I agree the banning of slicks was one of the big points toward the downhill.

    The has to be "too many rules" - its big business; no longer a sport.


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