Acer CEO: Microsoft is coming back down to earth with Windows 8.1

By on May 9, 2013, 3:00 PM

Windows 8 hasn’t exactly been the catalyst for change that many in the industry were banking on. Part of the problem has to do with Microsoft’s implementation of touch – a feature that works great if you’re on a tablet or notebook with a touchscreen but not so well for the average desktop user. This is just one of the many issues that are being addressed with the upcoming Windows 8 update according to at least one PC OEM executive.

Acer CEO J.T. Wang recently told The Wall Street Journal that Microsoft is making a number of changes to Windows 8 thanks largely in part to input from OEMs. Wang is the first to concede that touch delivers a ton of possibilities to PCs but Microsoft also needs to take care of the rest of the world that doesn’t need touch.

Other big changes are likely in store for Windows 8 as well with the pending update. Earlier this week Microsoft’s Julie Larson-Green confirmed that a public preview of Windows Blue will be launched during the company’s Build conference next month. Specific features weren’t mentioned but most expect to see the return of the Start Button as well as an option to boot directly to the desktop – effectively bypassing the Modern UI for users that don’t need it.

According to Wang, it’s a transitional period for Microsoft – a company that was once considered to “live in heaven.” With the update, Wang said Microsoft is coming back down to earth after learning how people living on earth think.




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dms96960 said:

I think Microsoft would be better served by having J.T. Wang as its CEO!

2 people like this | sapo joe said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

3 people like this | lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

Please, enlighten us. Windows 8 does offer a proper desktop experience.

5 people like this | cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

Please, enlighten us. Windows 8 does offer a proper desktop experience.

Please stop, we know what we think is a proper desktop experience. This desktop joke that MS put out, can only be considered proper on touch devices and small screens. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean we can't have ours. The only time Windows will be a proper desktop experience is when the majority can agree. From what I have seen and heard your opinion seems to be the minority. But then thats just my opinion as well.

2 people like this | Matt12345170 Matt12345170 said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

Please, enlighten us. Windows 8 does offer a proper desktop experience.

Please stop, we know what we think is a proper desktop experience. This desktop joke that MS put out, can only be considered proper on touch devices and small screens. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean we can't have ours. The only time Windows will be a proper desktop experience is when the majority can agree. From what I have seen and heard your opinion seems to be the minority. But then thats just my opinion as well.

How exactly it it that different? - I hit my windows key, I click the application I want to launch. If I need to search for something more specific, I start typing.

3 people like this | TheBigFatClown said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

Please, enlighten us. Windows 8 does offer a proper desktop experience.

Please stop, we know what we think is a proper desktop experience. This desktop joke that MS put out, can only be considered proper on touch devices and small screens. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean we can't have ours. The only time Windows will be a proper desktop experience is when the majority can agree. From what I have seen and heard your opinion seems to be the minority. But then thats just my opinion as well.

And mine, and another persons, and anothers and so on and so fourth. Lawfer more than likely 1)is a troll for Microsoft, 2)a tablet user who migrated to a desktop after having been weaned on tablets so he thinks it the "shizzle", or 3)someone who only uses Windows 8 to watch YouTube videos and post twitter updates to his friends.

My honest estimate of how many people are adopting Windows 8 as "wonderful" is as compared to Windows 7 is a ratio of 1 to 4. Every one person who upgraded to Windows 8 just thinks it's the bomb because 1)it boots faster. Yes, that is the number 1 reason people "love" Windows 8. Because....its boots faster. Sure Microsoft had to completely abolish the Aero interface to improve system responsiveness but now people can see the pretty purple square tiles much much faster than they used to be able to.

If he return of the 'start' button is just an easier way to get to the horrific Metro interface then we can subtract 1 point from Microsoft for that. Which is what it is from what I have heard. Which leaves the only new accommodation for 75% of Windows users as being a boot straight to desktop. Big deal. Most people just don't want to sit 12" from their screen all day and swipe it to get things done. That's something a 3 year old might enjoy. I stopped playing with my etch-a-sketch a long time ago. And I have no interest in rekindling those childhood memories.

Microsoft recently reported 100 million Windows 8 licenses have been sold. Now if we only knew how many of those people who have purchased Windows 8 had buyers remorse we could predict the future of Windows 8. The only way for it to survive is to continue to slowly creep back towards what it once was. That's what most people want.

1 person liked this | TheBigFatClown said:

Does anybody know how many years of licenses an OEM might make a purchase for at a time? Im wondering if Microsoft gave the OEMs a really sweet deal on pricing if they stocked up for more years than normal just because of the low price......???

There's no argument that 100 million licenses is a big number since there are...what....300 milliion people in America? Haha. If that number reflected the actual number of people using Windows 8 it would be 1 in 3 people. And we all know that ain't happening right now.

I would also like to know how many licenses were sold in America versus the world.

3 people like this | cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

How exactly it it that different? - I hit my windows key, I click the application I want to launch. If I need to search for something more specific, I start typing.
Not everyone uses Windows the same way you or I do. Personally I don't need the Start Menu or the Start Screen. I can do everything I want to do through my third party file manager. You don't introduce a proper desktop experience while killing the desktop experience everyone is used to. Just because you was not adversely effected doesn't mean thats the case with everyone.

Now to attack your comeback. Windows Key what? Yes I know what it is and yes I sometimes use it.

  1. On a OS that is designed for touch, why the requirement of Windows Key's.
  2. On a OS that is designed for mouse, why the requirement of Windows Key's.

Window's Key's should be used for shortcuts not requirements. Windows should be diverse to satisfy a larger user base. Ever since Windows 3.11, Windows has been designed for mouse control. Operating by keyboard has always been possible but very difficult. Just because Microsoft wants to design a OS for touch doesn't mean they should abandon the mouse and fall back to the keyboard which they themselves have neglected for more than a decade. I grow tired of everyone asking, whats so bad about Windows 8. I'm asking whats so bad about operating by mouse that it can't be kept as an option as we move forward?

1 person liked this | VitalyT VitalyT said:

Just looking at the picture in the article... The sky opens, and Microsoft condescends to us, the people of earth... And from the article text it also sounds exactly like that. Even by Microsoft standards that's low.

I would suggest another picture to the series where people gather under the sky opening, stretch their hands towards the opening holding the finger - "Shove it up, Microsoft!". That would correctly express the reality on the market, I think...

Anybody with good painting skills?

TheBigFatClown said:

Just looking at the picture in the article... The sky opens, and Microsoft condescends to us, the people of earth... And from the article text it also sounds exactly like that. Even by Microsoft standards that's low.

I would suggest another picture to the series where people gather under the sky opening, stretch their hands towards the opening holding the finger - "Shove it up, Microsoft!". That would correctly express the reality on the market, I think...

Anybody with with good painting skills?

The advocate for Windows 8 suggesting we all give Microsoft the finger? I am confused....

lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Still waiting... IF it gets a proper desktop experience, I'll buy it....

Please, enlighten us. Windows 8 does offer a proper desktop experience.

Please stop, we know what we think is a proper desktop experience. This desktop joke that MS put out, can only be considered proper on touch devices and small screens. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean we can't have ours. The only time Windows will be a proper desktop experience is when the majority can agree. From what I have seen and heard your opinion seems to be the minority. But then thats just my opinion as well.

And mine, and another persons, and anothers and so on and so fourth. Lawfer more than likely 1)is a troll for Microsoft, 2)a tablet user who migrated to a desktop after having been weaned on tablets so he thinks it the "shizzle", or 3)someone who only uses Windows 8 to watch YouTube videos and post twitter updates to his friends.

My honest estimate of how many people are adopting Windows 8 as "wonderful" is as compared to Windows 7 is a ratio of 1 to 4. Every one person who upgraded to Windows 8 just thinks it's the bomb because 1)it boots faster. Yes, that is the number 1 reason people "love" Windows 8. Because....its boots faster. Sure Microsoft had to completely abolish the Aero interface to improve system responsiveness but now people can see the pretty purple square tiles much much faster than they used to be able to.

If he return of the 'start' button is just an easier way to get to the horrific Metro interface then we can subtract 1 point from Microsoft for that. Which is what it is from what I have heard. Which leaves the only new accommodation for 75% of Windows users as being a boot straight to desktop. Big deal. Most people just don't want to sit 12" from their screen all day and swipe it to get things done. That's something a 3 year old might enjoy. I stopped playing with my etch-a-sketch a long time ago. And I have no interest in rekindling those childhood memories.

Microsoft recently reported 100 million Windows 8 licenses have been sold. Now if we only knew how many of those people who have purchased Windows 8 had buyers remorse we could predict the future of Windows 8. The only way for it to survive is to continue to slowly creep back towards what it once was. That's what most people want.

It's amazing how much has been written in these two comments, and yet so little has been said.

None of you have answered my inquiry. And trust me, I'll wait.

1 person liked this | psycros psycros said:

Microsoft should do something actually innovative and just build support for multiple shells right into Windows. They could be bold and release a true "classic shell" of their own that perfectly emulated Windows XP. Most of XP's functions are still in there anyway, their just disabled. Between this and Windows compatibility modes 99% of users and businesses would be more than satisfied. Microsoft could even have an annual contest for "the next great Windows UI" with the shell community putting out their best unpatented work. If Microsoft used their ideas they'd get some credit, maybe a little swag and possibly a job offer it their good enough. Everybody wins. But what will we get instead? Foot-dragging, lame excuses and "legacy" features that really don't work like the tried-and-true. My predictions: still no start menu, still no Aero and still no option to disable the accursed ribbon. What we'll get instead is a tweaked Metro/Modern with virtually no fixes to the rubbish Windows 8 desktop.

Guest said:

I still use windows 7, and I used 8 for a little bit on a asus tablet and I must say its pretty nice for touch. Cant see myself using it on desktop though no matter what ms does. For now windows 7 does all I need it to do. Also someone's about to get lawfered. Its been a while lol

1 person liked this | captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

...[ ]....The only time Windows will be a proper desktop experience is when the majority can agree....[ ]....
But the majority do agree, it's called Windows 7..

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

None of you have answered my inquiry. And trust me, I'll wait.
You are obviously ignoring our comments so why bother explaining once again. But since you missed one of my reasons above, I'll shorten it for you. Loss of mouse control, needing to press keyboard shortcuts equates to less than proper desktop experience, when the majority would probably rather simply use their mouse. Even @SNGX1275 mentioned wishing he could mimic touch capabilities with a mouse. The loss or absence of mouse functionality (and yes I do expect you to twist this around to suit your own opinion) is where it fails at at a proper desktop experience. Personally though I have my own hatred with cosmetics as well.

Matt12345170 Matt12345170 said:

Not everyone uses Windows the same way you or I do. Personally I don't need the Start Menu or the Start Screen. I can do everything I want to do through my third party file manager. You don't introduce a proper desktop experience while killing the desktop experience everyone is used to. Just because you was not adversely effected doesn't mean thats the case with everyone.

Now to attack your comeback. Windows Key what? Yes I know what it is and yes I sometimes use it.

  1. On a OS that is designed for touch, why the requirement of Windows Key's.
  2. On a OS that is designed for mouse, why the requirement of Windows Key's

Instead of using the windows key, I can just click the bottom left corner to do they exact same thing. I fail to see what I could do with a mouse in Windows 7, that I cant with 8

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Instead of using the windows key, I can just click the bottom right corner to do they exact same thing. I fail to see what I could do with a mouse in Windows 7, that I cant with 8
Let me put it this way. Microsoft felt the need to use the entire screen for their Start Screen. While at the same time taking away all visuals of the capability you mention. While thinking of these two sentences, I find it very difficult to support your comment.

They have since realized their mistake and have decided to bring back the start button. But they still have not learned as a desktop user with a mouse, we don't need our entire screen to navigate apps. And we damn sure don't need our apps color coded, as if we are in preschool learning our colors. The whole concept of the push toward touch is insulting. I can understand migrating to touch eventually, we don't need to be pushed by MS in that direction. We will eventually migrate on our own, as new tech becomes available to everyone.

2 people like this | Guest said:

Matt, the people you're debating with here are too goddamned lazy to hit the Windows button, and anything unfamiliar scares the piss out of them. History has shown this in so many ways.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Matt, the people you're debating with here are too goddamned lazy to hit the Windows button, and anything unfamiliar scares the piss out of them. History has shown this in so many ways.
Well well, looks like we have our first volunteer. All MS needs to do now is say the word. To access your apps you first need to jump off a sky scraper. Yeah I know it sounded silly, but so did your comment.

1 person liked this | Matt12345170 Matt12345170 said:

Let me put it this way. Microsoft felt the need to use the entire screen for their Start Screen. While at the same time taking away all visuals of the capability you mention. While thinking of these two sentences, I find it very difficult to support your comment.

They have since realized their mistake and have decided to bring back the start button. But they still have not learned as a desktop user with a mouse, we don't need our entire screen to navigate apps. And we damn sure don't need our apps color coded, as if we are in preschool learning our colors. The whole concept of the push toward touch is insulting. I can understand migrating to touch eventually, we don't need to be pushed by MS in that direction. We will eventually migrate on our own, as new tech becomes available to everyone.

OK. I can kinda see how it taking the whole screen might somewhat be annoying, I happen to have the luxury of two monitors, so that does not happen. However in essence, it is the exact same thing.

When you hit the start menu in Windows 7, essentially you are focused on the start menu untill you find what you are looking for. When you click away onto the desktop, it disappears and you go back to what you were doing before. That is exactly the same thing that happens in Windows 8.

As far as full screen apps go, yes I agree that they are not always ideal. I use 2. However, when I am looking for my quick news fill for the day, I hit the news app and read a few articles.

The beauty of it is you don't need to use it at all. The apps are at your disposal, however you don't need to use them at all. You can immerse yourself in your traditional desktop experience, and a in essence, a similar start screen in usage.

TheBigFatClown said:

Let me put it this way. Microsoft felt the need to use the entire screen for their Start Screen. While at the same time taking away all visuals of the capability you mention. While thinking of these two sentences, I find it very difficult to support your comment.

They have since realized their mistake and have decided to bring back the start button. But they still have not learned as a desktop user with a mouse, we don't need our entire screen to navigate apps. And we damn sure don't need our apps color coded, as if we are in preschool learning our colors. The whole concept of the push toward touch is insulting. I can understand migrating to touch eventually, we don't need to be pushed by MS in that direction. We will eventually migrate on our own, as new tech becomes available to everyone.

OK. I can kinda see how it taking the whole screen might somewhat be annoying, I happen to have the luxury of two monitors, so that does not happen. However in essence, it is the exact same thing.

When you hit the start menu in Windows 7, essentially you are focused on the start menu untill you find what you are looking for. When you click away onto the desktop, it disappears and you go back to what you were doing before. That is exactly the same thing that happens in Windows 8.

As far as full screen apps go, yes I agree that they are not always ideal. I use 2. However, when I am looking for my quick news fill for the day, I hit the news app and read a few articles.

The beauty of it is you don't need to use it at all. The apps are at your disposal, however you don't need to use them at all. You can immerse yourself in your traditional desktop experience, and a in essence, a similar start screen in usage.

The true beauty of Windows 8 is that there is no federal law that requires I purchase it and install it. That's the true beauty that one has to meditate on to appreciate it. Your right. I don't have to use any of the apps or the metro interface. And mark it down on your scratchpad. I wont.

1 person liked this | VitalyT VitalyT said:

The advocate for Windows 8 suggesting we all give Microsoft the finger? I am confused....

I've never been a Windows 8 advocate. I stated what I believed was true about the OS, and what was not. Trying to paint everything in black color on your side wasn't objective. There are a number of areas where Windows 8 succeeds.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Matt, the people you're debating with here are too goddamned lazy to hit the Windows button, and anything unfamiliar scares the piss out of them. History has shown this in so many ways.
The desktop environment we've grown accustomed to have been honed , tweaked, and refined over a period of decades.

So here comes a "guest" talking down to us a luddites, simply because we choose to do our computing with a mouse, and not as some shot nose child, smearing, strained peas all over a high chair food tray. Oh well, whatever floats your rubber duck, I suppose.

And because because I know there condescending !$#@%^&* like you in the world, I always give my nose a good stout picking, before I rent a movie at Redbox....

If you're that infatuated with touch, why not visit Wacom: [link] grab one of their tablets, and put all that nervous energy to some constructive use.

VitalyT VitalyT said:

The desktop environment...

Commenting purely on the picture, because it is a stupid one. Painters who utilize this kind of technology also use much bigger screens, so you can see clearly every line you are drawing. Today it would be at least a 30" monitor with precise color reproduction, like the new DELL U3014. Anything less, and benefits of the technology are gone, he would be better off with the usual canvas.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Commenting purely on the picture, because it is a stupid one.
So, that doesn't make it a stupid picture, just an old one.
Painters who utilize this kind of technology also use much bigger screens, so you can see clearly every line you are drawing.
BTW, that's what the "Zoom Tool" is for. So, since we're bandying the term "stupid" about, it's really "stupid" to say you have to have a 30" monitor, when you can simply zoom in on the tiniest detail.
Today it would be at least a 30" monitor with precise color reproduction, like the new DELL U3014. Anything less, and benefits of the technology are gone, he would be better off with the usual canvas.
Guess what, unless you have a grand laying around, I'm pretty sure you'll make the best of what you have.

A "digital artist" isn't going to pick up a paint and canvas, just because he has a small monitor. That's like saying I'm going to give up sex because I have a small ****. How many times do you think that has happened?

In either case, you wouldn't be able to do this type of work, by waving your index finger all over an iPad. And those mutts, are what Windows 8 is all about.

spectrenad said:

I'm using Win8 and I'm happy with it. I'm a heavy multitasker. When I work, I can have Autocad, SketchUp, WoodWorkshop, Gimp, Firefox, Calculator, Word as well as my music running at the same time. All fine. It's like win7 but with an extra, alternative and FACULTATIVE shell. And it boots faster.

spectrenad said:

And who needs a Start Menu or a Start Screen? Pin what you need to the taskbar and TADAM. Nothing faster to access your programs.

Darth Shiv Darth Shiv said:

It's amazing how much has been written in these two comments, and yet so little has been said.

None of you have answered my inquiry. And trust me, I'll wait.

Tell me how the UI suites a development company where productivity is key? IDE, databases, web servers etc. Win8 desktop experience is rubbish next to Win7 and all the way back to Win95 for people who want to use a mouse and keyboard. I.e. people who aren't using twitter and facebook for a living.

1 person liked this | Arris Arris said:

I'm using it on my laptop. Do Photoshop, Lightroom work, some java script  dev and games. Now that I'm used to the start screen I don't mind it so much. My desktop is clear of files and links most of the time. When I'm accessing the start menu in Windows 7 I don't actually need to see my current running apps and desktop background, so feel the start screen is a better use of real estate. Just a shame it is so much more focussed on touch interface than normal desktop users. I really don't want a touch screen on my desktop/laptop as I find myself cleaning my smartphones screen all the time and wouldn't appreciate that experience on a bigger screened device. One of the reasons I've held off buying any sort of tablet device yet. It's a form factor I don't required. Smartphone, desktop and laptop are all I need.

Saintnsinner said:

If you all don't mind me interrupting your bickering can I ask a question? If you already own windows 8 will you be charged for windows 8.1?

Guest said:

Forget J.T Wang.

I want J.J Abrams to make the next version of Windows!

Arris Arris said:

Forget J.T Wang.

I want J.J Abrams to make the next version of Windows!

Lots of lens flare and explosions on my desktop, no thanks :p

Capaill said:

"Most people just don't want to sit 12" from their screen all day and swipe it to get things done."

I like that statement. My shoulders can hurt me after stretching to use a mouse all day. I don't want to put the mouse away and start swiping a massive screen a further 12 to 24" away from me. My arms would fall off!

Touch screen cannot replace the mouse. It just can't. A mouse pointer is precise, it can accurately and quickly click a precise point on the screen. How many times have I struggled to get a touch screen to put the cursor exactly where I wanted it .. or clicked 2 links at the same time and have the browser zoom in waiting for me to pick the right one. A large problem here, besides the size of my finger on a high resolution screen, is that my finger is on top of the screen and thus blocking my view.

Combining keyboard, mouse and screen is not going to happen either. I've only got 2 hands.

Touch screen technology is fine for casual use. Or big fancy Minority Report screens that you are standing in front of, flicking large objects around. But the keyboard/mouse combination is unbeatable for precision and speed in most office environments. We have enough to do at work without struggling with inaccurate input controls. Also I haven't yet found a 24" touch screen monitor.

What were you thinking Microsoft? How hard would it have been to have 2 OSs for a while, while people and hardware/prices transition to touch screen, if that is where the market will go?

yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

The people commenting on this topic are not representative of the masses. The masses are the ones who have not upgraded to Windows 8. The businesses who don't want to retrain staff, who want to have the choice. That choice was taken away. Businesses didn't buy the product. Now the choices come back. We will see if it improves sales or if the damage is done until Windows 9.

1 person liked this | R3DP3NGUIN R3DP3NGUIN said:

Windows 8 was all about tablets right!! now they say start menu and boot to desktop! So now all the people complaining about how Windows 8 isn't the same as Windows 7 get a breath of fresh air. And now all the people with Windows 8 tablets get to complain as it wont be tablet friendly anymore. You cant win!!!! This statement is all gobbledygook as Microsoft needed to have two versions of 8 upon release.

1 person liked this | Jim$ter said:

I work in IT at a bank. I am a power user. The current form of Windows 8 Blows. I have to test it out so I installed it at home..Used it a few weeks (But I knew within a day) and its current form is so much slower to do the same tasks. People saying that Windows 8 is just as easy or hit the start button obviously are newbs. Yes for newbs Windows 8 might be ok or great or the same as Windows 7. But us people in the know..or people who actually do a few more thanks than surf the internet know its not as user friendly. One difference...which I hear they are fixing...where its 100% not working the same is search..In windows 7...I could click start and type what Iwanted...In windows 8 it defaults to APPS and you have to click another category if you want to search anything else...Well as a power user I want everything but apps...So search is basically broken... But since installing Start8 search is back...the nice easy access start button is back..Not full screen start screen wasting my 24" screen with crap... I pinned many things to my start menu....I can see everything in a 2 inch space... Not my whole freaking screen...That is the difference you newbs.... Us power users see this...and so do most of the masses and companies.... That is the reason Microsoft is making a change.... Not because we just like to complain about change...but because we expect at least if not better functionally as before. And being able to learn a OS without having to be trained is a plus!!

R3DP3NGUIN R3DP3NGUIN said:

Hen

I work in IT at a bank. I am a power user. The current form of Windows 8 Blows. I have to test it out so I installed it at home..Used it a few weeks (But I knew within a day) and its current form is so much slower to do the same tasks. People saying that Windows 8 is just as easy or hit the start button obviously are newbs. Yes for newbs Windows 8 might be ok or great or the same as Windows 7. But us people in the know..or people who actually do a few more thanks than surf the internet know its not as user friendly. One difference...which I hear they are fixing...where its 100% not working the same is search..In windows 7...I could click start and type what Iwanted...In windows 8 it defaults to APPS and you have to click another category if you want to search anything else...Well as a power user I want everything but apps...So search is basically broken... But since installing Start8 search is back...the nice easy access start button is back..Not full screen start screen wasting my 24" screen with crap... I pinned many things to my start menu....I can see everything in a 2 inch space... Not my whole freaking screen...That is the difference you newbs.... Us power users see this...and so do most of the masses and companies.... That is the reason Microsoft is making a change.... Not because we just like to complain about change...but because we expect at least if not better functionally as before. And being able to learn a OS without having to be trained is a plus!!

Hence Microsoft should of made two versions. A power user in the tablet world didn't own an iPad or an Android, so to speak. As they are restrictive in what they can do. Just as Windows 8 is restrictive on the desktop compared to Windows 7. As I work for an ISP I seem to get a lot of angry customers in regards to the inconvenience of having to learn a new operating system when they didn't have the choice to not have 8 on there computer. Change is bad in the IT industry, as the risk of failure is high and success an innovation is kept to a minimum. (some sarcasm there haha)

1 person liked this | spectrenad said:

I work in IT at a bank. I am a power user. The current form of Windows 8 Blows. I have to test it out so I installed it at home..Used it a few weeks (But I knew within a day) and its current form is so much slower to do the same tasks. People saying that Windows 8 is just as easy or hit the start button obviously are newbs. Yes for newbs Windows 8 might be ok or great or the same as Windows 7. But us people in the know..or people who actually do a few more thanks than surf the internet know its not as user friendly. One difference...which I hear they are fixing...where its 100% not working the same is search..In windows 7...I could click start and type what Iwanted...In windows 8 it defaults to APPS and you have to click another category if you want to search anything else...Well as a power user I want everything but apps...So search is basically broken... But since installing Start8 search is back...the nice easy access start button is back..Not full screen start screen wasting my 24" screen with crap... I pinned many things to my start menu....I can see everything in a 2 inch space... Not my whole freaking screen...That is the difference you newbs.... Us power users see this...and so do most of the masses and companies.... That is the reason Microsoft is making a change.... Not because we just like to complain about change...but because we expect at least if not better functionally as before. And being able to learn a OS without having to be trained is a plus!!

The search will be fixed in Windows Blue. Thats the only thing I miss from Win7. And the start menu vs start screen... Couldn't care. I don't care if it's full screen or not. Why would you need to see your programs when you are searching for something? Your mouse and your attention is already given to the start menu when you open it. Why fullscreen is that bad? People complain about that, but not many actually give a reason.

tipstir tipstir, TS Ambassador, said:

Windows 7 I still use because all what I have support it. I am sure Windows 8 well be accepted but those that have issue just have to wait on Microsoft to fix them.

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

This statement is all gobbledygook as Microsoft needed to have two versions of 8 upon release.
I've been saying this ever since the introduction of Windows 8. It wouldn't be that difficult to get either version within one install package.

TheBigFatClown said:

I work in IT at a bank. I am a power user. The current form of Windows 8 Blows. I have to test it out so I installed it at home..Used it a few weeks (But I knew within a day) and its current form is so much slower to do the same tasks. People saying that Windows 8 is just as easy or hit the start button obviously are newbs. Yes for newbs Windows 8 might be ok or great or the same as Windows 7. But us people in the know..or people who actually do a few more thanks than surf the internet know its not as user friendly. One difference...which I hear they are fixing...where its 100% not working the same is search..In windows 7...I could click start and type what Iwanted...In windows 8 it defaults to APPS and you have to click another category if you want to search anything else...Well as a power user I want everything but apps...So search is basically broken... But since installing Start8 search is back...the nice easy access start button is back..Not full screen start screen wasting my 24" screen with crap... I pinned many things to my start menu....I can see everything in a 2 inch space... Not my whole freaking screen...That is the difference you newbs.... Us power users see this...and so do most of the masses and companies.... That is the reason Microsoft is making a change.... Not because we just like to complain about change...but because we expect at least if not better functionally as before. And being able to learn a OS without having to be trained is a plus!!

The search will be fixed in Windows Blue. Thats the only thing I miss from Win7. And the start menu vs start screen... Couldn't care. I don't care if it's full screen or not. Why would you need to see your programs when you are searching for something? Your mouse and your attention is already given to the start menu when you open it. Why fullscreen is that bad? People complain about that, but not many actually give a reason.

Why a fullscreen right-in-your-face start menu is bad is because it defetats the enitre idea behind the "Windows"(<---see that word) operating system exists in the first place. To do multiple things simultaneously. I am not a ******* cow. I don't feel like I need to prodded from behind to go where I need to go. If I wanted to focus on one task at a time I would re-install my DOS(disk operating system).

That's just one of the many reasons Windows 8 sucks. Windows 8 is too linear. Choices are gone, freedom is gone, flexibility is gone. How long will it take Microsoft to realize they made a huge mistake.

Touch should have been an "option" in Windows 8 not a damn replacement for the mouse and keyboard. Unless, as cliffordcooley states and I myself have stated many times, they had released two versions of Windows 8 at launch.

Windows 8 Desktop and Windows 8 Mobile. Then tablet users could have a simplified UI where they can swipe to their hearts content all day long wiping their snotty noses and swiping their dirty screens, sharing there germ filled tablets with friends all day long. And desktop users could still be enjoying the choice, flexibility, power, precision-control, and productivity that Windows 7 has already brought to the table. 2 versions of the next Windows, Ballmer(you *******), 2 versions.

TheBigFatClown said:

Or at the very least incorporate the dynamic ability to determine the hardware Windows 8 is running on and load an appropriate UI for that hardware. Or even better offer your customers(the people who made you rich) the "choice" to select a custom UI.

Linux excels in this arena. Most versions of Linux come with multiple UIs that can be selected at will. Microsoft needs to take a good hard look at Linux. Choice, choice, choice is what we want Microsoft.

Somebody had a great idea. Running a contest that allows developers to develop UIs for Windows 8. If Microsoft is too damn lazy to make two separate UIs for two distinct groups of people then at least allow somebody else to do it. Still, it's something Microsoft should have done already and should be doing now. Before it's too late. Because I ain't installing Windows 8 in it's current form, ever.

Guest said:

As a long time PC user, Windows8 offered me zero. It hindered my ability to use my computer.

Thus, it was horrible. (ie: Win8 sucks)

Even Windows7 is inferior to Windows98 icon based desktop, via windows. Icon based work areas are superior to rooted systems like Microsoft has been trying to deliver over the last 3 iterations.

Windows for PC's are no longer object based.. and using your GUI as a desktop to work on. Windows is now about text.. & links.. Windows OS is now about abstract usage short-cut based & keystroke based... and library based... very odd for people who grew up with actually tangible, usable folders on their desktop and organized their system graphically/virtually... (ie old Windows95~98/Amiga workbench/iOS/Unix/etc..)

Windows 7 suffers from the same thing, how is Win8 going to correct a non-object based OS?

Railman said:

I am a long time user of W98 and have only gone over to W7 at work. I am finding the change is not seamless as I miss some of the old features. One thing that I have noticed is that directories take a while to display despite the fact I have moved from a Celeron desktop to a I5 laptop with SSD (data on network drive). Don't get me wrong there are some very usefull features with W7 but at the same time I do prefer the look and feel of W98. There is little chance of me wanting to update to W8.

1 person liked this | lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

None of you have answered my inquiry. And trust me, I'll wait.
You are obviously ignoring our comments so why bother explaining once again. But since you missed one of my reasons above, I'll shorten it for you. Loss of mouse control, needing to press keyboard shortcuts equates to less than proper desktop experience, when the majority would probably rather simply use their mouse. Even @SNGX1275 mentioned wishing he could mimic touch capabilities with a mouse. The loss or absence of mouse functionality (and yes I do expect you to twist this around to suit your own opinion) is where it fails at at a proper desktop experience. Personally though I have my own hatred with cosmetics as well.

What in the world are you talking about? I'll let you in on a little secret:

Windows 8 behaves exactly like Windows 7 on the desktop.

Now, please, let's try this again.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

What in the world are you talking about? I'll let you in on a little secret:

Windows 8 behaves exactly like Windows 7 on the desktop.

Now, please, let's try this again.

Problem of communication resolved. If windows 8 behaves the same as Windows 7 on the desktop, then there's no need to hand M$ any money for it, is there? (At least certainly not for the desktop user).

cliffordcooley cliffordcooley, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Windows 8 behaves exactly like Windows 7 on the desktop.
Now I know you suffer from delusions.

1 person liked this | lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Problem of communication resolved. If windows 8 behaves the same as Windows 7 on the desktop, then there's no need to hand M$ any money for it, is there? (At least certainly not for the desktop user).

Well, that's a lazy way of getting out of it, now isn't it?

What are the main features new version of Windows usually brought? Faster boot times, better efficiency, certain cosmetics changes here and there. Basically the same thing as 8.

Besides an architectural shift from XP to Vista, where for instance only in Vista you could get the latest DirectX, most of the changes in the newest OS weren't incredibly tempting. Hell, ask those still on XP who see no value in the Jumplists, Aero Peek, Aero Snap, etc. introduced in 7. Their OS still works because it is fundamentally the same: programs are in resizable windows, there's a taskbar, there's the start menu (except in Windows 8 of course, but you get the point).

8 & 7 are pretty much the same as far as the desktop is concerned. It feels a little faster here and there, I like the task manager, but I mean, the new changes, while not worth the asking price (I paid nothing for it BTW), are rather similar to the changes from Vista to 7. Remember when people said 7 was essentially Vista's Service Pack 3? They were almost right, because there wasn't that big a change worth the asking price.

Now, I mean, I'm not saying people should love Metro. Some people disable it entirely, like I did, others vote with their wallet. But to say 8's desktop is inferior to 7 when they are virtually the same is just childish fanboy-ism.

Now I know you suffer from delusions.

"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim."

I challenged a claim you seemingly share, and yet you have provided no proof.

You said "loss of mouse control." What the hell does this even mean?

"Needing to press keyboard shortcuts" Are you kidding me? When, I ask you, do you need to use keyboard shortcuts in the desktop? You don't need to in 7, and, surprise, you don't need to in 8.

These two aforementioned statements are not proof as to how Windows 8's desktop experience is inferior to 7. You say this is my opinion; I don't know how that's possible seeing how the biggest change in 8 is the addition of Metro. Very little changed on the desktop.

So, once again, I'll wait for real, substantiated reply. (Which, let's be honest, I know I'm not gonna get, but it's all part of the fun!)

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Well, that's a lazy way of getting out of it, now isn't it?
No, but I'd have to be an outright imbecile to buy Windows 8 simply because I can or M$ told me to.

What are the main features new version of Windows usually brought? Faster boot times, better efficiency, certain cosmetics changes here and there. Basically the same thing as 8.....{ }......
This is B***S***, as least to a substantial degree.

Installing Windows 7 on a older machine designed for XP will likely net you a slower machine which may not even meet the hardware requirements for Win 7 anyway.

Today's CPUs have throughputs approaching 20X that of the venerable P-4. Memory is orders of multiples faster, not to mention SSD boot times. M$ always seem to suck up on these improvements all the while taking credit for "improvements" in Windows.

My i3-3225 machine boots faster than my i3-530 machine, yet they share the same OS. So, cut the crap, most of the speed improvements are hardware based, with little to none in Windows itself.

NTAPRO NTAPRO said:

Is that a real picture? I wonder where I can find a field like that.

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