Sony rushes off PSX for the holidays

By on December 9, 2003, 2:22 PM
Sony's revamped PlayStation console, the PSX, has been stripped of some features so it can be rushed onto shop shelves in Japan in time for Christmas.

The entertainment system, on sale in Japan from 13 December, is a PS2, hard disk drive, DVD recorder and TV tuner. But its recording speed has been cut and some audio and picture formats will not be supported, like MP3.

Sony wants the multimedia box to appeal to serious gamers, but also fans of all-in-one home entertainment products.

Read more: [URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3293599.stm]BBC News[/URL].




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---agissi--- said:
Thats a real shame how they did that, I recon they should have held it out and went all out, with what people would have wanted. If your going to get it people are going to want the good one.
poertner_1274 said:
I agree, this is almost like pirating Windows Longhorn. Why would they want to start selling this when it isn't complete? I mean I'm sure they are sacrifising a lot to get it out, and I understand they want to make money, but if they could have added all those features it would have been a better plan.
MoRulez said:
The serious/informed gamer would hardly ever buy this product, even if it was still in it's pre-Christmas time, downgraded, modifications. It's a great gift though and it's convenient, since it's an all-in-1 type product. But someone who is informed about electronics/gaming hardware knows there are better products out there that offer better features and fair prices for those quality features.But if you're dying to get a PS2, and the average informed gamer knows it's better to wait about 1-2 years or less for the next generation of gaming consoles, this is definitly the PS2 to get.
Krugger said:
I'm sure after the rush they'll reup to the original specs or at least maybe have another version they can sell at a different price. there was already speculation that when it got shipped over here finally it would be stripped slightly, hopefully not too much. i think Sony is getting too into this market, i doubt they'd get too many sales of such a high priced item.
BrownPaper said:
i wonder how many people will spend that much money for the psx. it is really expensive.
Sgt. Bilbo said:
The PSX was a great idea...if they had not crippled the functionality. Who uses the ATRAC3 media format for their music collection? .00001% of the population. you would think Sony would want to support the primary music format in the world, but I guess they wanted more profit and didn't want to pay royalties for supporting MP3. But the rest of the functions they cut? No excuse other than to make more money off the box. Bad move, Sony.
poertner_1274 said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by Sgt. Bilbo [/i]The PSX was a great idea...if they had not crippled the functionality. Who uses the ATRAC3 media format for their music collection? .00001% of the population. you would think Sony would want to support the primary music format in the world, but I guess they wanted more profit and didn't want to pay royalties for supporting MP3. But the rest of the functions they cut? No excuse other than to make more money off the box. Bad move, Sony. [/quote] They could be only supporting the ATRAC3, because they want it to take off, and if it is available to play on the PSX, it might get more use. I know they have been talking for a while of the next step in music beyond the mp3. Trying to make a new format. This could be it?
StormBringer said:
I think this could be a good move for them, they get product moved, they can always release a "better" version later. they did something similar with PSOne, They abandoned Nintendo, released the Playstation that was really not yet finished(many thought that was going to kill them before they ever started), early versions of it had some problems with stalling during some games(anyone ever play MK trilogy on the early PSOne) They fixed this in the later version of the PSOne.
---agissi--- said:
Well when we got our TiVo it was $500 so I recon this is a bargin. If we already didnt have a PS2 and Tivo im sure my dad would buy this - However, any person who knows about this product in the first place is probably a pretty serious eletronics person and is going to hold out for the real deal.. I know I would.and yea, I did play MK triligy on the orgional psx [psx is what most people called the Playstation at the time].
SNGX1275 said:
If I was Sony I would agree that this makes market sense, what we didn't get from that article though is whether they plan on future releases. If they really wanted to maximize on the holiday season here is what I propose:Release the "watered down version" asap then they need to continue making the product they originally proposed. While this is happening make the [i]PSX2[/i] avaiable via gift certificates at say 10% reduced price. This way people can still buy the PSX (the original proposed one) for friends and family and have it at a reduced price, which is kind of like a bonus for waiting.
khosw said:
I think it would have been better to make it an addon rather than a completely new system. And you cant play your classic PSX games on it... I love those juggling street fighter like imports.
Didou said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by khosw [/i]And you cant play your classic PSX games on it... I love those juggling street fighter like imports. [/quote]Where does it say that you can't play original PlayStation games ? The PS2 can play original PlayStation games out of the box if I'm not mistaken.SONY are clearly trying to shape back in a profitable company. They have reported some pretty big losses & are cutting back workforce.As for certain other features such as MP3 reading & the burning speed, another article said Sony was removing those features to help fight agaisn't piracy.I always found it odd myself that a company such as Sony which is one of the biggest labels, would sell burners & blank CDs. I guess they want to make money on every side of the coin.
StormBringer said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by ---agissi--- [/i]and yea, I did play MK triligy on the orgional psx [psx is what most people called the Playstation at the time]. [/quote] I was refering to the long time it took to do certain things in the game, such as Shang Tsung's morphs. On the early releases, before they put a faster cpu and made a few other changes, it was insanely slow. and yes, I'm aware that PSX is what people used to call PSOne, but sony seems to have forgotten that since they gave this thing that name.
agrav8r said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by MoRulez [/i]The serious/informed gamer would hardly ever buy this product, even if it was still in it's pre-Christmas time, downgraded, modifications. It's a great gift though and it's convenient, since it's an all-in-1 type product. But someone who is informed about electronics/gaming hardware knows there are better products out there that offer better features and fair prices for those quality features.But if you're dying to get a PS2, and the average informed gamer knows it's better to wait about 1-2 years or less for the next generation of gaming consoles, this is definitly the PS2 to get. [/quote] i agree with you. We know that Xbox 2 is in the works, I am sure that nintendo's gameoblong will be next followed by PScubed. I am generally iffy about all in one products anyway as they typically combine low end pieces to keep the whole affordable.
MaskedBurrito said:
I don't get what all the fuss is about with this thing. It's just a wanabe Xbox with the PS2 graphics chip built in. There probably won't be any special games released for it since it would alienate the already huge "regular" ps2 market.
---agissi--- said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by MaskedBurrito [/i]I don't get what all the fuss is about with this thing. It's just a wanabe Xbox with the PS2 graphics chip built in. There probably won't be any special games released for it since it would alienate the already huge "regular" ps2 market. [/quote] False, its not a 'wannabe xbox'. Its a all-in-one multimedia system. TiVo to record TV, a DVD burner to burn your shows to DVDs, DVD player, PS2, hard drive, and will play music such as MP3s (excluding this one ofcourse).
Didou said:
Here's a review of it @ Lik-Sang[url=http://liksang.com/news.php?artc=3244]Sony's new PSX high-end electronics device opened up and exposed[/url]Maybe with the Holidays behind, prices might go down on this version or better yet, maybe they might redesign it & actually put out the original specs.PS. the fact that it can't do 4 player gaming clearly shows it was rushed out.:dead:
poertner_1274 said:
I still think this was a horrible idea for Sony to do, but I guess that's why I'm not making millions in charge of their marketing strategies. I think there will be enough people upset with the current model that they will be getting quite a few returns, and realize they messed up and need to finish the 'real' project and get it out as soon as it is completed.
---agissi--- said:
Awesome link Didou thx!
SNGX1275 said:
No 4 player is very bad, even the Gamecube can do 8 player in certain games if you have 2 cubes.
chuonthis said:
In reference to the MP3 playback and DVD burn speeds, the article mentions[quote]Sony has promised that all of these features should be available early next year once testing is complete and existing users will be able to update the PSX using the included Ethernet adapter.[/quote]So everything is fine. I'd expect that if Sony didn't release new firmware to the public for these problems, someone else would eventually.
SNGX1275 said:
Good that Sony is allowing that (or rather going to fix that) because even if other people do release firmware updates (unofficial of course) not many people are going to know what to do or even want to chance voiding the warranty.
agrav8r said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by SNGX1275 [/i]Good that Sony is allowing that (or rather going to fix that) because even if other people do release firmware updates (unofficial of course) not many people are going to know what to do or even want to chance voiding the warranty. [/quote] Nooooooooo!First software is allowed to ship out buggy ( will fix it later don't worry) and now hardware. This is foolish and we accept it. I can't wait for the non tech industries to get ahold of this - I will soon be sewing my own butons on a new shirt and hinging the doors to my new car ( they'll be ready in a few week, just don't take any sharp turns)This kind of thing has got to stop. I bet most people won't return them and Sony will have set the standard for all other electronics. Let the age of vrapware (v=c) commence.
MrGaribaldi said:
Is this so new?As long as the hardware doesn't have any problems, I don't have too much of a problem with this...It is, after all, talk about a software update... And as such, we're used to it allready... How many motherboards doens't have to be flashed for you to be able to use your cpu to it's full extent?How many mp3 players haven't had to be updated to fix certain errors, include support for other formats etc....(I know my old Creative Jukebox (original) certainly needed a few)What would have been a bad thing was if you had to buy an upgrade from Sony to get what will be offered in a patch... That would've been too much, but as long as it's offered freely as soon as it's done, ok... It might not be the best practice in the world, but considering that was the only way they'd be able to meed the christmas season with the console....
Masque said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by MrGaribaldi [/i]Is this so new?As long as the hardware doesn't have any problems, I don't have too much of a problem with this...It is, after all, talk about a software update... And as such, we're used to it allready... How many motherboards doens't have to be flashed for you to be able to use your cpu to it's full extent?How many mp3 players haven't had to be updated to fix certain errors, include support for other formats etc....(I know my old Creative Jukebox (original) certainly needed a few)[/quote] Well, I'm tending to agree with agrav8r more on this side. Flashing a mobo is one thing....as geeks (or pseudo-geeks) we fully expect to have to handle certain things like this ourselves when we build a system.I don't agree on the mp3 player side. This is end-user equipment and should be handled/sold as such without any necessary firmware upgrades necessary. Many people just wouldn't have a clue if they were asked to do this.My $.02
SNGX1275 said:
I agree with Mr. G on this :)Its not like the thing doesn't work out of the box, its just that some of the features that it is capable of are not functional until there is an update.
MrGaribaldi said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by Masque [/i]Well, I'm tending to agree with agrav8r more on this side. Flashing a mobo is one thing....as geeks (or pseudo-geeks) we fully expect to have to handle certain things like this ourselves when we build a system. [/quote] Well, if I don't miss my guess, chances are the update isn't as firmware'ish as flashing a bios, meaning that it won't have all the side effects that a bad bios flash has... Sony is, I guess, quite well aware of the fact that most people aren't "geeks" (I [COLOR=red][b][i]hate[/i][/b][/COLOR] being labeld that btw!), and that the update will have to be usefriendly, meaning that it won't damage the system if the power goes off nor that it will be more than just starting a program and clicking ok...Besides, one can allways make the argument that the system being released now is the "proper" one, but that Sony will include more functionality to it as time progresses...That way it won't be a "neccessary" update, but rather a free upgrade to those who bought the system when it first became available...SNGX> Thanks! Allways nice to have someone agreeing with me :)
agrav8r said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by MrGaribaldi [/i]Well, if I don't miss my guess, chances are the update isn't as firmware'ish as flashing a bios, meaning that it won't have all the side effects that a bad bios flash has... Sony is, I guess, quite well aware of the fact that most people aren't "geeks" (I [COLOR=red][b][i]hate[/i][/b][/COLOR] being labeld that btw!), and that the update will have to be usefriendly, meaning that it won't damage the system if the power goes off nor that it will be more than just starting a program and clicking ok...Besides, one can allways make the argument that the system being released now is the "proper" one, but that Sony will include more functionality to it as time progresses...That way it won't be a "neccessary" update, but rather a free upgrade to those who bought the system when it first became available...SNGX> Thanks! Allways nice to have someone agreeing with me :) [/quote] My argument is this:Have you ever had to flash a non PC game system before( or get software updates)?NoDo you currently have to upgrade your toaster?NoWould you buy one if you had to?NoThe reason I say they are the same isthat both should have no changing parts- what you buy is supposed to be the end all be all.With computers there are tons of added parts that need to communicate and work, and one machine cannot know all the varied configurationsHowever with a game system, there is no risk of components sprouting from the air. All parts that are to be added were known at conception of the product, and so cannot use the software excuse of too many variable. What does that leave us?They had a christmas deadline and did not make it and sent it anyway. Perhaps the pacemaker people can do the same with the new batch of synthetic hearts.They have no excuse- they did it to make Xmas money and shipped an unfinished product. End of story. If you want more of your products to come out unfinished , than rationalize away, but as far as I am concerned this is worse than $5 walmart software sold for 45.99.
chuonthis said:
You may be looking at the situation from a wrong point of view, agrav8r. It's not like the PSX doesn't work or crashes or blows up. As long as the box states the lower specs and everything works, then the product is finished as far as the buyer is concerned. And it's not like people are dying to burn DVDs at 24X. Sony could've just left it at that but they were nice enough to offer a free upgrade when everything is tested. Also, it's not necessarily for their own financial gains that they rushed the PSX. People probably wanted to give the PSX as a gift so they are probably happy that they don't have to tell the other person that their gift is not out yet.
agrav8r said:
[quote][i]Originally posted by chuonthis [/i]You may be looking at the situation from a wrong point of view, agrav8r. It's not like the PSX doesn't work or crashes or blows up. As long as the box states the lower specs and everything works, then the product is finished as far as the buyer is concerned. And it's not like people are dying to burn DVDs at 24X. Sony could've just left it at that but they were nice enough to offer a free upgrade when everything is tested. Also, it's not necessarily for their own financial gains that they rushed the PSX. People probably wanted to give the PSX as a gift so they are probably happy that they don't have to tell the other person that their gift is not out yet. [/quote] Thanks for proving my point, had it not been out( and available to buy) people would have spent their money elsewhere. However because it was rushed out incomplete, they spent money on it.You right as long as they don't put specs on the box it is legal- despite the fact that they hyped it up to all the journalist that it would be something else, so that they could garner more sales from electronically clueless relatives and friend to buy for others on Xmas. BTW i hear sony is looking for a PR guy, perhaps you have your resume handy?
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