Win2k/Slow Shutdown

eddy05 · Jan 24, 2003

Win2k/Slow Shutdown ~_~

I just format my computer from Win98/FAT32 to NTFS and clean installed Windows 2000 Professional. I noticed a few things:

1) Hard Disk works very hard after I logged in
- I reckon it's the cause of the OS writing onto the PageFile...

2) LONG Shutdown time

:dead:
- This is the part I can't stand. It takes WAY too long to shut down (At the 'Saving Settings' screen for a long time)

256mb DDR333. RAM Insufficient? Suggestions for long shutdown time?

Rick · Jan 24, 2003

Windows 2000 isn't exactly known for its quick bootup and shutdown, but I'll take your word that it is abnormally long.

A lot of times, this has to do with failed services. Check out Start/Settings/Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Even Viewer/System

Look to see if you have any red "X" fatal icons or yellow "!" warning icons.

What you could pay most attention to is anything that has "Service control mananger" in the source column.

You can remove these services (many more are available than what is just in the service manager) via the registry.

Go here: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services

And delete the service causing problems. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS UNTIL YOU HAVE RESEARCHED THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT SERVICE. Deleting a vital service could render your computer unbootable.

If you find something that looks fishy and aren't sure what it is for or if it is safe, please post what it is back here and the description by double clicking and selecting the text in the box. Then press CTRL+C and paste it here in your reply.

Rick · Jan 24, 2003

Oh, and since this is a clean install - I don't expect there to be any major problems with services. This is only a "perhaps", but it is worth looking into.

eddy05 · Jan 25, 2003

Okay I tried looking into services. I didn't spot any suspicious ones... though I DID deleted some services I don't use such as Messenger and FTP... still, it didn't help much in the shutting down time. I used to shut down in 5sec when I was win98, but the com takes 20 ~ 30 secs to shut down in win2k now... I think perhaps it's supposed to be this slow...

TS | Thomas · Jan 25, 2003

You haven't set Wndows 2000 to clear the page file at shutdown have you?

eddy05 · Jan 25, 2003

No, I didn't.

I reckon that'll slow down my shutdown rate even furthur, so I don't delete it when I shut down..

SNGX1275 · Jan 25, 2003

My parent's computer has a clean install of Win2000 on it and it takes an extreme amount of time to shutdown. Literally 2-3 minutes and none of the services are hanging. Doesn't really bother me since my parents never shut it down and the only time I do is on restart after comming home and running windowsupdate.
btw - its a p2 300 with 176megs of ram

eddy05 · Jan 26, 2003

The "Saving Settings" message is too vague. What is it saving that doesn't require any hard disk activity?

How about other users of Win2k Pro in TS? Do you experience long shutdowns too?

ss1 · Jan 26, 2003

I have in total 4 computers and 3 laptops with Win2K SP3 installed. None of them have issues regarding slow shutdowns. However I have noticed that if you leave Win2K on for say a month without rebooting then when you do reboot it does take a while.

ss1.

eddy05 · Jan 26, 2003

ss1, how much RAM do you have on each PC/laptop?

Rick · Jan 26, 2003

Here's more food for thought:
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Windows 2000 Shuts Down Slowly with "Clear Virtual Memory Pagefile When System Shuts Down" Setting
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;320423

eddy05 · Jan 26, 2003

Yes I saw that... but I've upgraded my OS to SP3, the problem doesn't happen with SP3 right?

btw I heard Windows dun delete files physically. They only mark the cluster as available, therefore, deleting should take only a short while... that is, IF i'm correct.

btw here's another problem I have. When I right-click my desktop -> view display properties -> Settings -> Advanced, this error always shows up "Windows encountered an error while working with desk.cpl." I'm using detonator 41.09... then my display properties will close... what happened?

Rick · Jan 26, 2003

This behavior occurs because when this policy setting is turned on, the computer must physically write to each page in the pagefile to clear each page. The period of time that it takes for the system to clear the pagefile varies according to the pagefile size, and the disk hardware that is involved.

This does not specifically address Windows 2000 SP1, but all versions of Windows 2000. This is done by design and has always been true with Windows 2000.

You may want to uninstall your nVidia driver suite using Add/Remove in control panel, then try reinstalling it again. It's probably just a problem with the driver's control panel. I've had a similar problem with my Radeon.

NV30 · Apr 12, 2003

I checked that out, and have a lot of disk and atapi errors found. Any ideas? Shutdown on XP takes about 3 minutes or more for me, and this is right after a fresh format. :-/

Phantasm66 · Apr 12, 2003

Three minutes is a little bad. What ghastly horrors are lurking in your system tray (icons next to clock, volume control, etc which are progs running on your desktop...) ???

NV30 · Apr 12, 2003

There's nothing in the tray next to the clock, and all programs to the best of my knowledge are closed.

Tarkus · Apr 12, 2003

If you've installed the 329170: Security Update that is your problem. Uninstall it. It will warn you that it will break all sorts of things if you uninstall it but ignore the warning. Worked for me and many others.

NV30 · Apr 12, 2003

OK, I went to add/remove programs, and it was in there under WinXP hotfix SP2 (service pack 2?). However, there's no option to unistall or remove it.

Tarkus · Apr 13, 2003

On mine it said Windows 2000 Hotfix (Pre-SP4) [See Q329170 for more information]

Once you click on it and it's highlighted the Change/Remove button should appear. If it's at the bottom of the window you may have to scroll down a couple lines to see the button.

NV30 · Apr 13, 2003

Sorry, nothing like that here. As I said, there was no uninstall option.

Tarkus · Apr 16, 2003

There's supposed to be a private MS hotfix hotfix for it as well. I didn't try it but I might be able to locate the info...hang on.... Here it is. I think it's the post on March 16, 2003. If not you have to contact MS support. See last post on March 12.

http://www.tek-tips.com/gviewthread.cfm/lev2/67/lev3/70/pid/616/qid/362230

NV30 · Apr 17, 2003

OK, that didn't work either.

I can't contact MS because my version is OEM.

NV30 · Apr 28, 2003

Another clue, it seems that there is HDD activity like in a normal shutdown, but instead of shutting down a few secs later, it just hangs.

eddy05 · Apr 28, 2003

Ahhh YES!

After a while, I've finally found the answer to my long shutdown problem -> The security 329170 patch.

Yippee! Cut down 20secs to shutdown!

Tarkus · Apr 28, 2003

Glad it helped!

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