hi, im about to build my first computer, i know theres been so many on the boards and your probibly sick of it but here it goes any way
all mony is in UNITED STATES DOLLORS
amd 3500+ 220
vnf4 ultra
viedo undesided 150-259
geil ram
thermeltake psu 480watts 60
need case sugetions up to 110
cdburner
hdd hatchi sata 3.0 sata2 80gb

thats 600

i sitll have 400 for a viedo card, case, and psu

so im looking 100 case, 50 psu and 250 gpu whcich acn gat me a nicex800xl or x850xt


and sohlud i go for a 3000+ and get a better gpu and upgrade to duel cores sonner or go wit h the 3500+ and upgrade later for duel cores once games support it

i need a nice gaming computer cuz my p4 1.6 with 256mb of ram and a 9600 isnt holnig out onbf2 demo its lagging but its till prety pleayable


thanks alot of you guys help

For cases it's all about personal taste, so I can't tell you what you'd like, but here are some I think are ok.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811170012
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119074
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144157
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811144103

For video, if you don't mind unlocking a card, the new ati x800gto2, can be unlocked and overclocked to x850xt pe levels and costs only about $200(edit: they were $200, now newegg put the price up to $279). It is kind of a pain though, you have to flash the cards bios, but you get a lot more performance for "free".

If you don't want to do that, here's another option, the x850pro.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102594
An x850xt will be too much money for your budget, it starts at $320.
An x800xl would be a good choice, here's one for about $260, but I'm not sure about it's heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125174

Here're some benchmarks.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...l#3d_mark_2005

tnanks for the reply, i relly like both asprie cases and i like the x800xl it basily ties with the pro and is dollors more and have 16 piplines and probibly can be overcloked 440\1020 or sometiyhngm, im probibly buting in like 2 weeks ill pick up whats on sale as far as fans and cables go

That PSU you are looking at is on the list of BAD companies to buy from.

Check out this excellent PSU article:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566

ok thnanks, do u tihkn ocz powersupplies are good like the one here it isnt on the bad list




the ocz 450 psu

on second thoguht ill feel more confident if u guys told me what you think a good psu is becuase i looked at the antecs for like 60 or 70 but they lack a -5volt rail, what doe the --5volt raid do anyway, im willgin to go up to 100 on the psu which will gimme 200 on a viedo card an 100 on a case

ive prety much disided agentst the ocz because the revewssay the pow cable for the mobo was to short
thanks


update: ive decided on this case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...m=N82E16811166

im buying parts in like 6 or 7 days its my first buld and im alittlw ne , i have 3 questions that i have been wondering abnoit


1. do the standoofs come with the mobo

2 are the obards today jumperl
and 3 do i have to install sata dirvers if so when do i do this before windows installsation or in the midde . thanks, ps i sitll need a little help findong a good psu i have 70 to spend on it










thanks you guys for som muc help

This FSP Fortron Blue Storm is a good buy at $91. 500 watts w/ dual 12v rails at 15 amps each, for 30 amps on the 12v total, all the latest plugs with sheathed cables and it runs quiet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104934

This one is under $50 and still pretty nice http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104954

Standoffs generally come with the case. Many mobos are pretty much jumperless but there still plenty out there with jumpers. If the SATA ports are native to the board then you shouldn't have to install drivers unless you plan on making a RAID array. Then you'll need to make a floppy with the RAID drivers on it (usually the mobo CDROM has a "make-disk" utility just for this) and you ijstall them right near the beginning of the windows install when prompted. It will ask if you have any mass storage drivers to install and if so hit F6. You hit F6 and it will download the drivers from the floppy. Couldn't be simpler.

thenks for the quick rpely,thats a nice psu the 500watt one

as the system stands now

amd 3500+
vnf4 ultra
ati redion x800pro
2gb of geil ram
nice transparent case
the forton psu

all add up to 879.93 without shipping so i sould add 40 for shippnig which suold play bf2 on all high settings

Here is a set up I suggested to someone else
3200+ Venice core CPU $190
ABIT KN8 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard $83
Corsair Value-Select 2 x 512MB $84.50
WD Caviar SE 320GB SATA HDD $140
FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN 450W Power Supply $50
XFX Geforce 6800 256MB PCI-e Video Card $209
Thermaltake Swing VB6000SNS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $60
Microsoft Windows XP Home w/ SP2 - OEM $84

$900.50 total from Newegg. Pretty well balanced

EDIT: Oops, didn't see your last post. That looks like a pretty good system.

thats a good setup but ill sitck with wat i got, ill prbibly pic k up a 7800gt later like next year

tnaks for your help

im still pen to sugestions,


what im buying as of now

amd 3500+
vnf4 ultra
x800pro veido card
2gb of geil ram
forton power supply
80gb hdd
transparent case

the price is 981 shiped, which is steep so u guys think its better to go with a 3000+ insted and save 100 dollors and upgrade to dules in 2 years

I saw a review of the bluestorm that wasn't so great.
Link
It failed the test because they lied about the specs, and it can't really put out 500w, it's actually like a 450w psu. But if you only need a 450w it should be fine.
I like my Tagan 480w, and the new tagan 480w u22 looks nice as well.

vnF4ultra-
I hate to break the news to you but most manufacturers, except PC Power & Cooling, advertise their PSU's at Peak Power rather than normal power. It sucks but there it is. In fact I think that PC power and Cooling may be the only manufacturer that refers to the peak power output in the specs only. My 510 SLI express is advertised at 510 watts but peak power is 650 watts.

Anyways, the Blue Storm is a very fine unit. I've had one for a year and only after upgrading to the 510 did I send it to my wife's system where it is once again providing rock solid power, very very quietly, with no fuss and plenty of connectors. Only this time it is hooked to a Pentium system rather than a AMD.

here is another write up
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...bluestorm500w/

I know many mfgs do rate using "peak power", but my tagan does not. It's a 480w continuous and 580w peak.
It passed the hexus full load test.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1359&page=13
If Tagan was like many other companies they'd sell it as a 600w psu, but they don't, they're realistic.
Pcp&C are very good as well but more pricey.
The OCZ modstreams did well too, putting out their full power (520w)
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1359&page=16

I'm not saying the bluestorm is bad, I've heard very good things about it, but don't buy it thinking it will put out 500w continuous.
I think Fortron and Sparkle are basically one and the same(or somehow related), and my sparkle psu went up in smoke, so I kind of don't trust fortron/sparkle anymore. Maybe a fluke problem...

thnnks for the replys guys, dont star a war on psues :hotbounce


anyway, do u guys think a 3000+ will perfom close to a 3500+ im bf2
like will there be a nosrable fps difference



idk now about the ps vnf 4 says he haad bad ex[ernces with sparkel, and merc u say u love the psu so im in the air wiith it

eather the ocz 520, the tegen, and th sparkel/ fortorn
well il og on newegg and compar price

ii lookeed on newegg
there all betwween 90-95 with reabate

http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817101516 tegan

ocz http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817104155


http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817104934 foroton/ sparkel


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so which to get!!!!!!

Maybe the likes of Aspire, Powmax, or someother jipo brand. Both my Antec and my Vantec, and even my OEM HIpro advestise as normal power.
For example my iON2 advestises as 460 Watts, but in the manual it states that the peak power is 505W.

the PSU i am talking about can be found here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103465

Im not saying PSU makers dont use peak, but alot more dont then you would think.

Both the Tegan and FSP are good. The Tegan doesnt have PFC but does have more amps on the 12v line. Either one will provide troublefree service and good power so take your pick.

The big thing is that you are avoiding Big Mistake # 1 that many first time builders make andthat is buying a lousy PSU to save a few bucks. The PSU is critical to a high end PC, as you can tell by the discussion above, LOL, and it is vital you get a good one. You are doing that with either of the PSU's you picked out.

I didn't refer to the OCZ as I personally don't recommend the modular plug systems. They drain power immediately at the plug and the plug itself is just another fail point. This is why the Tegans and PC Power & Cooling types don't sell them. It is a great idea though as it cleans up the case by reducing power leads.

I think the Tagan does have active PFC. I think active pfc supplies don't have a 115v/230v selector switch, but rather can be plugged into whatever power source and it will automatically adjust to the power. The U22 doesn't have a 115/230 power switch, so I think it's active pfc. My tagan 480w UO1 has active pfc, and I'm pretty sure the U22 does as well, but I'm not sure why newegg says it doesn't. The cool thing about the u22 is that it has a dual rail/single rail selector, so if you want a dual rail psu to have more stable power, then you can select it, or if you want one really powerful rail, you set them to combine. Also, my tagan is so quiet you can't really hear it, so that's nice.

A review says it has active pfc.
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/reviews/Mi...n_TG480-U22/3/