AMD passes Intel as the most popular choice among Puget Systems customers

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I saw that part where he defended Steve and him for it.

But his next video could had been a nice knife twisted on nvidias back, like telling his minions how nvidia has screwed their own customers or something like that, but instead, it was simply business as usual.
That's because, as unfortunate as it is, he's running a business and can only do so much. He probably also figured that, being the biggest TechTuber by a country mile, that he'd only have to say it to nVidia once. None of the TechTubers went on a crusade to attack nVidia. Linus actually did more than anyone else which made me very disappointed in Steve Burke because I was actually excited to hear what he had to say. Paul's Hardware said nothing, Bitwit Kyle also said nothing. You can't tell me that they hadn't heard about it. If you're going to hate on Linus for that then it's only fair that you hate on everyone for doing even less than he did in this case.
about loving his contacts at intel, sorry but thats BS.

those people would get a nice job somewhere else given their talent, assuming the miracle of intel dying overnight happened.
Good jobs are not as easy to find as you think and let's remember that this was going on during the Sars-CoV-2 pandemic. If you have a good and well-paying job at Intel, a mortgage and kids that need university one day, you won't be so willing to just up and leave. At least Linus doesn't try to say that he doesn't love Intel like the really Intel-centric sites (like AnandTech) do. At least with him, you go into one of his videos with your eyes open, knowing that he's biased.
Now, I don't think that Linus is anywhere near perfect but none are. I at least give Linus props for making some kind of effort where others don't.
 

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Of course they don't because they aren't good enough to game at 1080p. If they were good enough so many people would buy them. I would buy one and use that as a travel computer. Can you image how small and relatively cheap a gaming computer could be with such a powerful iGPU.
I can imagine it being small but there's no way that they'd sell it for cheap. The fact is that AMD isn't going to have ATi make an IGP that makes people want to buy their cards less and there's no way that an IGP will ever be able to match a discrete GPU in performance just like a prop-driven plane will never be able to match a jet. It's just the nature of the thing.

I would point out that if you want to game on a craptop, 1080p isn't important. Craptop screens (especially the smaller ones) look exactly the same at 720p as they do at 1080p. When I'm watching something on my ASUS VivoBook (which has a 15.6" 1080p screen), I really can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p because the screen's too small to do so. This is why I crack up when I hear people talking about their 1080p or 1440p phones.

The only reason why we came up with resolutions like 1080p, 1440p and 2160p is because screens were getting larger and the larger a screen is, the more that pixellation will be amplified at lower resolutions. Try gaming with your craptop at 720p and you'll be pleasantly surprised to see that you get the same experience and it's far less of a strain on your IGP.

Hell, I managed to run Skyrim at 720p with medium settings on my old AMD A8-3500M-based Acer Aspire and it was playable. I didn't continue with it because I just wanted to experiment but if the old HD 6620G IGP that came with the Llano A8-3500M could play Skyrim decently at 720p medium, then a Vega-based IGP should have little difficulty doing the same with modern titles.

What AMD currently puts out is "good enough" that there's not much demand for something better, at least, not enough for them to prioritise it over other things. If I were Lisa Su (please don't try to visualise that...lol), with everything else that's going on, it would be the furthest thing from my mind. Hell, TSMC can't even meet the demand that currently exists. I don't think that adding to their plate would make things any better.

Now, don't get me wrong, if ATi created an IGP that was based on RDNA, I would LOVE it! It would be a wonderful thing and I wasn't saying that you're wrong about that because you're not. I was only explaining why AMD wasn't going to do it anytime soon. Hey, believe me, sentiment-wise, I'm 100% with you on getting an RDNA-based IGP released.
 

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But thats my point, I cant trust the dude or what comes out of his mouth when is not honest.
I would say that he's biased but I wouldn't say that he's dishonest because he made that "I still love Intel" video that I posted. He didn't have to make that video. He was already the largest TechTuber in the world (and it's not even close) but he did make the video regardless. That's something that nobody else has had the guts to do. Consider JayzTwoCents, I stopped watching him because he repeatedly refused to admit that he's an nVidia fanboy. He tried some cop-out about being an EVGA fanboy (as if the end result isn't the exact same as being an nVidia fanboy).

When Jim from AdoredTV was told by YouTube that his final Tech video's profits were going to LTT, people were shocked that Linus would do that. As it turns out, it was done by the 3rd-party company the Linus outsourced to protect his IP. When Linus heard about it, he hit the roof, immediately stopped it and publicly apologised to Jim. Linus does have a good heart in there somewhere and he does show it from time to time.

He takes criticism seriously, admits his own shortcomings, doesn't take himself seriously and truly wants everyone in the TechTube community to succeed. In that respect, he is very Canadian because that's our general mentality. Is he perfect? Hell no, but that's amplified by the sheer number of videos that he puts out.

I'm not saying that you have to like him because that's completely up to you. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the good things that he's done as well as the bad because TechTubers are definitely shades of grey.
 

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Thats why I dont bother with him.

Not that I hate the guy, but he is not a reliable source of information or unbiased opinion.
You're perfectly within your rights not to. I don't watch him much either, although now that AdoredTV stopped making videos, I tend to only watch Hardware Unboxed and GamersNexus these days.

You just sounded like you hated the guy and I just wanted to make sure that you were completely informed about him. Nobody has to watch anybody, that's the wonder of:
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I must also say Puget do well for a boutique system builder to regularly feature for indirect marketing in the tech press. There’s an enormous retailer that probably builds a lot more systems (albeit office type stuff) than Puget about 20 mins walk from my house but I’ve never seen them mentioned in the tech news.
Puget stand out because they've been publishing regular articles, on prosumer hardware and software analysis, for years. They also actively discuss changes in their industry. If more PC retailers did the same, then they perhaps might find themselves in the news more often.
 

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Did you forget all the years of AMD putting out poor performing products with low prices? You think AMD kept their prices low because they cared about their customers? AMD was the low price choice because they had to be. Once AMD has another couple of years of competitive products they will price their products just as high as intel used it if not higher, I mean what Intel desktop CPU costs $800 MSRP? Where would AMD be without intel? Would AMD have pushed as hard if they were on top?

AMD doesn't make their own CPU's they pay someone else to do it. It's much easier to design a CPU than it is to design and manufacturer a CPU. Intel would have been much farther along if their fab could have kept up with their designs. AMD's old fab hasn't caught up with TSMC or Samsung either and it's still making CPU's no more dense than Intel's second gen 14nm CPUs.

AMD has 12 and 16 core desktop CPU's. Intel has 10 core, that cost around $500. For comparison, AMD 12-core cost $549 ". For 8-core, AMD's 5800X is faster and better than Intel's fastest 8 core and also cheaper. AMD seems to be still cheap (prices "MSRP").

Intel's just screwed up 10nm totally and 7nm is late too. That has nothing to do with "difficulty", Intel just messed around despite warnings and others overtook. AMD sold own fabs 2009. GlobalFoundries had 7nm (supposedly faster than TSMC's one) ready but decided to scrap it as too expensive one.
 

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Consider JayzTwoCents, I stopped watching him because he repeatedly refused to admit that he's an nVidia fanboy

LOL!

I did the same thing. Hell, I even called him out on Twitter and his channel and his responses were the same of a 12 years old kid. Pathetic.

I tend to only watch Hardware Unboxed and GamersNexus these days.

Same here.

You just sounded like you hated the guy

Nah, I simply want someone that provides honest information and given the nature of his business needs (which are understandable) , I cant really "trust" the guy.

What drove me off was the fact that no matter what AMD had available, every video from him started the same way "today, we are building XYZ and to begin, we are using a...*surprise* another Intel CPU".

And again, to clarify, not that I am an AMD fanboy, I simply despise Intel and Nvidia because of their illegal tactics that have ended affecting me as a customer.
 

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Did you forget all the years of AMD putting out poor performing products with low prices? You think AMD kept their prices low because they cared about their customers? AMD was the low price choice because they had to be.
I completely agree with this. AMD's pricing wasn't because they cared about customers. What AMD did because they cared about customers was their constant support of open-source standards and their release of the Mantle API to everyone at no cost. As it turned out, the Mantle API was a fantastic product because Microsoft used it for DirectX12. The Khronos Group then took it and used it as a base for VULKAN, it's open-source standard replacement for OpenGL. AMD was also lauded by Linus Torvalds for their support of open-source Linux while he told nVidia to go and "LOVE" themselves.

If nVidia or Intel had come up with an API that was as good as Mantle, you can be damn sure that they wouldn't have just given it away for free. Hell, nVidia's GameWorks used tessellation levels that were so high that it actually hurt the gaming experience of their own customers just because it made fps rates on Radeon cards fall even more. I don't have a problem with making software that your hardware runs better on than the competition but that was outright consumer sabotage, something that is never ok.

AMD cares a crap-tonne more about customers than nVidia or Intel. I don't know exactly how much AMD cares but the amount that AMD cares is every bit as palpable as the lack of care from Intel and nVidia. I can't imagine just how many millions AMD spent to develop the Mantle API in the first place. So, regardless of how much AMD cares about consumers, it's quite clear that they care far more than Intel or nVidia. Actions speak louder than marketing and AMD's actions prove that they've been better to us consumers than their rivals.
 
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And again, to clarify, not that I am an AMD fanboy, I simply despise Intel and Nvidia because of their illegal tactics that have ended affecting me as a customer.
Neo, Neo, Neo babay! This is ME you're talking to here! I'm the one who originated the saying "I'm not an AMD fanboy, I'm an Intel and nVidia hater!" (I actually did, it used to be the tagline under my avatar pic on Tom's Hardware eight or nine years ago).

You and I have always agreed 100% on this matter and clearly, we still do. :D

Note: I had to change my tag line to that because the mods objected to my original tag line. I think that you'll like it though:
"Intel is SATAN and nVidia sits at Intel's left hand." :laughing:
 
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Did you forget all the years of AMD putting out poor performing products with low prices? You think AMD kept their prices low because they cared about their customers? AMD was the low price choice because they had to be. Once AMD has another couple of years of competitive products they will price their products just as high as intel used it if not higher, I mean what Intel desktop CPU costs $800 MSRP? Where would AMD be without intel? Would AMD have pushed as hard if they were on top?

AMD doesn't make their own CPU's they pay someone else to do it. It's much easier to design a CPU than it is to design and manufacturer a CPU. Intel would have been much farther along if their fab could have kept up with their designs. AMD's old fab hasn't caught up with TSMC or Samsung either and it's still making CPU's no more dense than Intel's second gen 14nm CPUs.
I'll rather pay top dollar for refreshing multicore designs from AMD than the same 2 or 4 core crap from Intel at the same prices when AMD was unable to compete.

AMD forced your beloved Intel to innovate for your sake and you still blame AMD. Amazing.
 

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Did you forget all the years of AMD putting out poor performing products with low prices? You think AMD kept their prices low because they cared about their customers? AMD was the low price choice because they had to be. Once AMD has another couple of years of competitive products they will price their products just as high as intel used it if not higher, I mean what Intel desktop CPU costs $800 MSRP? Where would AMD be without intel? Would AMD have pushed as hard if they were on top?

AMD doesn't make their own CPU's they pay someone else to do it. It's much easier to design a CPU than it is to design and manufacturer a CPU. Intel would have been much farther along if their fab could have kept up with their designs. AMD's old fab hasn't caught up with TSMC or Samsung either and it's still making CPU's no more dense than Intel's second gen 14nm CPUs.
Says a Intel fan boy!
 

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Nah, if AMD had never existed, Cyrix, VIA, or Transmeta likely would still be in the x86 market in some quantity. VIA was shipping a quad-core chip in 2011; if nothing else they would have pushed Intel to have quad core mobile chips some time in the past decade.

Despite loving my 8600M graphics card in my old laptop, I have to disagree with you. AMD was much deeper in CPU development than any of the companies you mentioned. Those companies produced Intel clones, but none of them were actually better than the original. Before joining the x86 market AMD was producing high-performance CPUs that looked like alien technology compared to Intel chips.

When they entered the x86 market, it was actually technological downgrade for them. Which is why within a few years their CPUs swept the floor with Intel products.

But then they bought ATi and seems that exhausted their resources. Now they had 2 tough and very rich competitors, Nvidia and Intel. Fortunately, they are back. Cyrix, VIA or Transmeta wouldn't have enough resources to compete with Intel. Just like 3DFX couldn't compete with Nvidia.
 

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But then they bought ATi and seems that exhausted their resources. Now they had 2 tough and very rich competitors, Nvidia and Intel. Fortunately, they are back. Cyrix, VIA or Transmeta wouldn't have enough resources to compete with Intel. Just like 3DFX couldn't compete with Nvidia.
The funny thing is, ATi kept them alive during the dark FX years.