AMD Ryzen 7 5700X vs. Intel Core i7-12700F: Best Value 8-Core Gaming CPU

Lionvibez

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We dont have a review sample so we dont know either way. Im not claiming absolute knowledge, im saying that based on current data and the complete history of cpus, its very unlikely that amd can close a gap THAT big. We are talking about a more than 100% efficiency gap. Based on the past 5 years of zen cores, im not even sure zen 5 can do it, let alone 4.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree then.
 

Rocky4040

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This article is pretty pointless as previous tests proved that 12700f is faster than 5800x. Actually 12700f beats all AMD CPUs for gaming but 5800x3D, which is $200 more. 12700f in the productivity lays between 5900x and 5950x which are much more expensive. Even 12600k beats 5800x in productivity and it is on par in gaming before overclocking. After 5800x and 12600k are overclocked Intel beats AMD in gaming for this CPUs. 12700f is almost as fast as 12900k in gaming. Comparing it to 5700x has little sense. Besides AMD still have some upgrade path on lga1700 socket for the next CPU gen release. You can still argue that AMD may release 5600x3D, but it would be a different story then. Long story short 12700f is no brainer paired with b660 motherboard. 5700x makes only sense if you already have AMD system. Saying that I have 9900k @ 5GHz which I am upgrading to 12700f, and 5800x in other PC.
I think what a lot of people were saying here is the INtel part is a 12/20 CPU 8+4 setup and the review says 8 core vs 8 core so unless the reviewer turned off those 4 E cores and actually did 8 vs 8 then the title is misleading. Then again I do not think it would have changed very much for the number if it was 8 vs 8 core Intel has a slight IPC gain and Mhz gain over AMD's 2 year old Zen 3 cores.

What I would like to see is a Mhz to Mhz test done 4Ghz vs 4Ghz just for fun to see just how much is IPC gain for Intel and to see how much is the Mhz boost Intel has over AMD. Going off of the X3D chip it looks like AMD could have done so much more with Zen 3 even if they never released the X3D and just upped the cache slightly and called the refesh Zen 3+ they could have been able to match Intel's Alder Lake I am thinking without having to rely on Zen 4 to do it.
 

Avro Arrow

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Honestly, none of this matters to people who are currently using an AM4 motherboard because nothing that Intel has ever done can touch AM4's ability to support FOUR GENERATIONS of CPUs on the same motherboard.

It's funny you know... My dirt-cheap ($40CAD) little Biostar A320MH motherboard fully supports the R7-5800X3D. This is actually very fitting since the A-series chipsets can't overclock while the R7-5800X3D has a locked multiplier.

Ok, so imagine that it's 2017 and you're a kid with a few dollars (but not a lot) and you buy an R5-1600X but that eats pretty much all of your loot with just enough left over for a "lowly" Biostar A320MH motherboard. Then after 5 years, you drop in an R7-5800X3D and suddenly your PC is posting 3DMark scores that are off the chart!

Man, I love how crazy things have become! :laughing:
 

Strawman

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Ok, so imagine that it's 2017 and you're a kid with a few dollars (but not a lot) and you buy an R5-1600X but that eats pretty much all of your loot with just enough left over for a "lowly" Biostar A320MH motherboard. Then after 5 years, you drop in an R7-5800X3D and suddenly your PC is posting 3DMark scores that are off the chart!
That is not a realistic scenario at all. Nobody with a 5 year old CPU will buy a 450€ CPU. Actually, nobody with a 5 year old system should buy a 450€ CPU. What graphics card does the guy have and needs a 3d? You keep forgetting that AMD gave support for zen 3 almost 2 years AFTER their release.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the 3d alone costs as much as a 12700f + a brand new b660 motherboard. So yeah, if I was that kid id sell my 1600 + a320 and buy a 12700f + a b660, that has better longevity, more features, and absolutely annihilates the 3d in everything but games. Yeah ill lose 10% at 360p gaming with my 3090, but ill live with it.
 

Lionvibez

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In Canada a 12700f cost $439.99

average cost for a B660 Motherboard in Canada is $200

So total cost is $639

5800X3D cost $569 here.
 

Lionvibez

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Then don't buy it from canada...?
lol I'm in canada??

I can get this at canada computers for the same price local pickup so don't have to ship from memory express which will cost more.


$439.99+$164.99 = $604.98

5800X3D = $569.00

So in Canada the X3D is cheaper than that combo.
 
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AlaskaGuy

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lol I'm in canada??


I can get this at canada computers for the same price local pickup so don't have to ship from memory express which will cost more.


$439.99+$164.99 = $604.98

5800X3D = $569.00

So in Canada the X3D is cheaper than that combo.
Intel Core i7-12700F $404.95
 

Strawman

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To pay for shipping and exchange rate conversion which will make it more expensive?
This is in ottawa and it will have to be shipped?

Why would I do that over a local store pickup that I can do the same day?
Im honestly not sure what point you are trying to make. That your local shop has the 12700f more expensive than other shops? Great, who cares. Someone else's local shop will have the 3d more expensive than other shops. The point is, in GENERAL, a 12700f + a new b660 will cost you about the same money as the 3d without a motherboard. The 3d will win by around 10% with a 3090ti at 320p games, but will absolutely get demolished in every other workload.

Tough choice.
 

Lionvibez

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Im honestly not sure what point you are trying to make. That your local shop has the 12700f more expensive than other shops? Great, who cares. Someone else's local shop will have the 3d more expensive than other shops. The point is, in GENERAL, a 12700f + a new b660 will cost you about the same money as the 3d without a motherboard. The 3d will win by around 10% with a 3090ti at 320p games, but will absolutely get demolished in every other workload.

Tough choice.

My point was to show your blanket statement of the 12700F + 660 motherboard is cheaper is not accurate everywhere in the world.

Not even sure asked me that question about buying stuff outside of my country which most people will not do because it will cost them even more money.

And there is nothing more to add here enjoy your day.
 

Strawman

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My point was to show your blanket statement of the 12700F + 660 motherboard is cheaper is not accurate everywhere in the world.

Not even sure asked me that question about buying stuff outside of my country which most people will not do because it will cost them even more money.
Im sorry but that is a biased and nonsensical statement. You can make that argument about ANYTHING. Wouldn't it be fair to say "the 5800x 3d is cheaper than the 12900k"? Of course it would. BUT, im pretty sure somewhere on the planet in some country there is someone's local store that has the 12900k cheaper than the 3d. STILL, the statement that the 3d is cheaper than the 12900k is accurate.

I don't even understand why you are even contesting it, it's a given that the 3d is insanely expensive and in general costs as much as the 12700f + a decent b660. TBF, after the release of the 3d the price of the 12700f has gone up by about 30 euro, but so has the price of the 3d - at least in Europe. There is a price difference of about 130 to 160€ between these 2 cpus. That's roundabout the cost of a b660.
 

Nintenboy01

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I currently have a 5800X which I plan to keep until the next console generation at least (though kinda tempting to upgrade to 5800X3D) but I might wait and see if AMD ever does Zen 4 CPUs on AM4. Probably pretty unlikely though.
 

Tantor

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The 12700F is a 12 core processor 8?

Yes, the 12700F is a 12 core processor. But the number of cores is not that important for gaming.

Considering this was a gaming focused comparison, they could have used the 5600x instead. For only $199 it performs close to the $315 12700F.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Yes, the 12700F is a 12 core processor. But the number of cores is not that important for gaming.

Considering this was a gaming focused comparison, they could have used the 5600x instead. For only $199 it performs close to the $315 12700F.
Slight edge to the 12700 / 12700F.

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dalpilot

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The best thing AMD did was keeping the AM4 socket for multiple generations. When I jumped from an fx8300 (with RX470 GPU) to the Ryzen 5 1600 it was orders of magnitude faster. The rest of us (non Hard Core gamers) have benefitted tremendously with my B450 motherboard supporting Zen 1 (Ryzen 5 1600) through Zen 3 (Ryzen 5 3600) and now, still available, an upgrade to the Ryzen 5 5600. I bought another B450 board to repurpose the Ryzen 5 1600 as a backup system with only 8 GB of RAM with a PCI-E 3 512 GB boot disk and had another 1 TB SATA 6 SSD and an 8 TB internal 5400 Seagate HD for video and audio files - these are all a backup to my primary system with the AMD 3600, 16 GB RAM, PCE-3 512 GB Boot, 1 TB SATA SSD, and internal 8 TB HD and a 10 TB external drive and a 6 TB external drive. All of this is backed up at home with external drives hooked up to home theater PC (budget purchase of HP AMD 2400G APU (and later added an RX 550 with 4 GB VRAM because of some older Steam Games incompatibility). I also have a 2 Bay QNAP TS-231 NAS as a B/U and file server for rest of house. AMD with LIsa Su has facilitated numerous upgrades that only required a CPU upgrade through 4 generations (1600, 2600, 3600, 5600) that is unparalled vs Intels up grade cycles. My ability to edit and convert video files has gone from an overnite exercise (fx63000 circa 2012) to something that can run is the background while I do other work and have it complete in 10-15 minutes. All the "issues" gamers might have with AMD have been a non-issue for a casual gamer (occasionally venture into the Civ series but no FPS) and brought great value with upgrading CPUs over 3 generations (so far) with a 4th gen still available. And, a huge value proposition over Intel for over 5 years now.
 

Lionvibez

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The best thing AMD did was keeping the AM4 socket for multiple generations. When I jumped from an fx8300 (with RX470 GPU) to the Ryzen 5 1600 it was orders of magnitude faster. The rest of us (non Hard Core gamers) have benefitted tremendously with my B450 motherboard supporting Zen 1 (Ryzen 5 1600) through Zen 3 (Ryzen 5 3600) and now, still available, an upgrade to the Ryzen 5 5600. I bought another B450 board to repurpose the Ryzen 5 1600 as a backup system with only 8 GB of RAM with a PCI-E 3 512 GB boot disk and had another 1 TB SATA 6 SSD and an 8 TB internal 5400 Seagate HD for video and audio files - these are all a backup to my primary system with the AMD 3600, 16 GB RAM, PCE-3 512 GB Boot, 1 TB SATA SSD, and internal 8 TB HD and a 10 TB external drive and a 6 TB external drive. All of this is backed up at home with external drives hooked up to home theater PC (budget purchase of HP AMD 2400G APU (and later added an RX 550 with 4 GB VRAM because of some older Steam Games incompatibility). I also have a 2 Bay QNAP TS-231 NAS as a B/U and file server for rest of house. AMD with LIsa Su has facilitated numerous upgrades that only required a CPU upgrade through 4 generations (1600, 2600, 3600, 5600) that is unparalled vs Intels up grade cycles. My ability to edit and convert video files has gone from an overnite exercise (fx63000 circa 2012) to something that can run is the background while I do other work and have it complete in 10-15 minutes. All the "issues" gamers might have with AMD have been a non-issue for a casual gamer (occasionally venture into the Civ series but no FPS) and brought great value with upgrading CPUs over 3 generations (so far) with a 4th gen still available. And, a huge value proposition over Intel for over 5 years now.

That is one big wall of text paragraph's my friend :)

Will make that easier to read.
 

Avro Arrow

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In Canada a 12700f cost $439.99

average cost for a B660 Motherboard in Canada is $200

So total cost is $639
Yep. With so many people already having AM4 motherboards, the cost of the LGA 1700 motherboard must be taken into account.
5800X3D cost $569 here.
It's actually on sale now for $500 at Canada Computers. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted... :laughing:
 

Lionvibez

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Yep. With so many people already having AM4 motherboards, the cost of the LGA 1700 motherboard must be taken into account.

It's actually on sale now for $500 at Canada Computers. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted... :laughing:
wait to see if they release a 5900X3D before you pull the trigger :)