AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: Gaming-First CPU

Steve

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Well of course but it's irrelevant as no one will play at such crap resolution with this hardware, it's a theoretical measure that has no real world relevance. I don't even bother looking at 1080p benchmarks. I can't recall the last time I played at that res. So I don't care who is fastest. All I need to know is if the combo I'm planning on using will be rock solid at 1440p or higher

Ignorance is bliss... but kind of annoying for everyone else.
 

Strawman

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Well of course but it's irrelevant as no one will play at such crap resolution with this hardware, it's a theoretical measure that has no real world relevance. I don't even bother looking at 1080p benchmarks. I can't recall the last time I played at that res. So I don't care who is fastest. All I need to know is if the combo I'm planning on using will be rock solid at 1440p or higher
Cpu A and Cpu B both cost 200 euros. They both get 100 fps at 1440p. Cpu A though gets 220 fps in 1080p while Cpu B gets 500 fps in 1080p. Which one do you buy?
 

MarcusNumb

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I was expecting this CPU since AMD first introduced it and it did not disappoint me, but since AM5 is coming out in the end of this year and my 3600x is still kicking really well, I will wait 1 more year at least. Good job anw Techspot
 

Lounds

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Good review as always.
I think it's clear that the 5800X3D is more for existing AM4 owners who want a cheaper way of getting more performance than a full upgrade, if you already have a compatible AM4 Motherboard and DDR4 memory of 3200Mhz of faster then it's a no brained if you plan on getting a faster Graphics card in the future.

I built a 12700f build for a mate a few months back and the DDR5 memory was £20 more than the CPU lol, and if you're getting a 12600k or higher then you're best pairing it with a motherboard that supports DDR5, so these arguments about that the 5800X3D is poor value I don't get personally as an intel system would cost significantly more.

I'm currently on a Ryzen 5 3600 with a RTX 3060Ti and I'll probably look at replacing my system in a few years time when DDR5 drops to DDR4 levels of pricing.
 

Strawman

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Good review as always.
I think it's clear that the 5800X3D is more for existing AM4 owners who want a cheaper way of getting more performance than a full upgrade, if you already have a compatible AM4 Motherboard and DDR4 memory of 3200Mhz of faster then it's a no brained if you plan on getting a faster Graphics card in the future.

I built a 12700f build for a mate a few months back and the DDR5 memory was £20 more than the CPU lol, and if you're getting a 12600k or higher then you're best pairing it with a motherboard that supports DDR5, so these arguments about that the 5800X3D is poor value I don't get personally as an intel system would cost significantly more.

I'm currently on a Ryzen 5 3600 with a RTX 3060Ti and I'll probably look at replacing my system in a few years time when DDR5 drops to DDR4 levels of pricing.
No it wouldn't. A 12700f plus a ddr4 bazooka b660 + the stock cooler is almost the price of the 3d itself
 

yukka

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No it wouldn't. A 12700f plus a ddr4 bazooka b660 + the stock cooler is almost the price of the 3d itself
For that upgrade you need to throw out your am4 motherboard. You are “upgrading” to a DDR4 platform from a DDR4 platform. And you have to go Intel. Yuck
 

bravesgood

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I stopped coming to the comments section due a good chunk of posters spouting their 'objective' opinions which are clearly biased through fanyboy goggles.
 

yukka

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I mean, the comments section on techspot is an absolute joke. Apple haters. Microsoft haters. Fanboys of intel and amd. Guaranteed hatred towards the topic in hand. It’s awful. I have read since the site was called 3D Spotlight and the comments have gone to ****. I imagine it’s people who can’t get attention on Reddit or arstechnica who end up on here. Or teenagers. **** knows. Gone to the dogs though.
 

Lounds

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I mean, the comments section on techspot is an absolute joke. Apple haters. Microsoft haters. Fanboys of intel and amd. Guaranteed hatred towards the topic in hand. It’s awful. I have read since the site was called 3D Spotlight and the comments have gone to ****. I imagine it’s people who can’t get attention on Reddit or arstechnica who end up on here. Or teenagers. **** knows. Gone to the dogs though.
Tbf the Techspot community is a lot nicer than Reddit lol.
 

meric

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40 games average 5800x3d trades blow with 12900k, for much cheaper, which is great for AM4 owners for an upgrade choice. AMD should take advantage of that on chip cache and find ways to accelerate content creation/productivity apps. This tech should be exploited.
 

Strawman

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40 games average 5800x3d trades blow with 12900k, for much cheaper, which is great for AM4 owners for an upgrade choice. AMD should take advantage of that on chip cache and find ways to accelerate content creation/productivity apps. This tech should be exploited.
The 7700k back in 2017 wasnt just trading blows with the 1800x in games, it was destroying it. Still it was a terrible cpu. Cant see how this is any different. Oh wait, it says amd on the box, k never mind
 

Puiu

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It is kind of funny that most people think that all Ryzen 1000, 2000 and 3000 users are currently using 3200/C14 or 3600/C16 memory.

Most are using trashy sub 3000 MHz memory with bad timings and they will never see the performance 5800X3D gets in reviews, which are all using 3200/14 or faster aka premium DDR4 memory. Hell most reviews are even using 3600/C16 or 4000/C18.

It would be pointless for most of these people to upgrade to this chip. For people building a new system, yeah maybe, maybe not. Alder Lake has superior perf/value but AM5 is coming in a few months and Raptor Lake soon after. 12600K is sub 200 dollars and can be paired with cheap DDR4 memory and still perform well.

Ryzen 5800X3D should probably have been launched last year instead, to be interesting for actual buyers.

I JUST HOPE that AMD will smack 3D CACHE on all (or most) of future Ryzen chips. However Intel is adding tons of cache to Raptor too.

Can't wait to see Ryzen 7000 vs Raptor.

However Ryzen 8000 vs Meteor is going to be the real battle in 2023.
Most people who will do a CPU upgrade do indeed have 3200Mhz RAM. So yeah, the 5800X3D makes perfect sense for them.
 

Puiu

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And yes it doesn't. I see 12900k and 12900ks on the top of the charts, lol. I would probably even see the 12700k if they tested with the same ram. So yeah, NOPE. Not only it didnt get the crown, its not even in the podium bro

tl;dr: it's pretty much a tie between the 5800X3D and the 12900K with the difference being just 1%.
 

HardReset

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The 7700k back in 2017 wasnt just trading blows with the 1800x in games, it was destroying it. Still it was a terrible cpu. Cant see how this is any different. Oh wait, it says amd on the box, k never mind
And why exactly this is supposed to be "terrible CPU"?

tl;dr: it's pretty much a tie between the 5800X3D and the 12900K with the difference being just 1%.
Just like I said. Considering power consumption, there is really no competition here. AMD just wins hands down.
 

Strawman

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And why exactly this is supposed to be "terrible CPU"?

Just like I said. Considering power consumption, there is really no competition here. AMD just wins hands down.
For the same reasons the 7700k was. Terrible in mt performance (loses to cpus VASTLY cheaper), terrible for single thread perfromance (again, loses to cpus vastly cheaper) and even in gaming performance it marginally edges out vastly cheaper cpus (the 12700 for example)
 

Strawman

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tl;dr: it's pretty much a tie between the 5800X3D and the 12900K with the difference being just 1%.
I think he has an issue running 6400 speeds in his 4dimm mobo. Most 4 dimm mobos have issues running ram that high. Mind you, techspot is the only site that the 12900 loses in farcry 6. Three other reviews tested with horrible ram (4400c38 and 4800c40) and had the 12900 winning easily.

So..yeah dunno.
 

meric

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The 7700k back in 2017 wasnt just trading blows with the 1800x in games, it was destroying it. Still it was a terrible cpu. Cant see how this is any different. Oh wait, it says amd on the box, k never mind
No1 said 1800x was better, no1 mentioned 1800x at all :D ADL is intel's new gen arch using DDR5 ram. I'd say it getting a tie with AMD's 8 core cpu with DDR4 is not a good showing for intel's part. Because Raptor Lake will not a get a process bump but AMD will have a die shrink + new platform with DDR5.

But I was talking about other things in my post...
 

HardReset

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For the same reasons the 7700k was. Terrible in mt performance (loses to cpus VASTLY cheaper), terrible for single thread perfromance (again, loses to cpus vastly cheaper) and even in gaming performance it marginally edges out vastly cheaper cpus (the 12700 for example)
I cannot recall 7700K had "terrible" single thread performance. I also recall 7700K was quite fast on games too.

Your arguments are simply invalid. AMD offers best choices on desktop for productivity apps and gaming (power consumption is simply superior). And still some people complain. Perhaps they were expecting 16-core CPU that beats all Intel CPU's one everything, consume 100 watts max and cost $100 :D
 

Strawman

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I cannot recall 7700K had "terrible" single thread performance. I also recall 7700K was quite fast on games too.

Your arguments are simply invalid. AMD offers best choices on desktop for productivity apps and gaming (power consumption is simply superior). And still some people complain. Perhaps they were expecting 16-core CPU that beats all Intel CPU's one everything, consume 100 watts max and cost $100 :D
Nope, I was just expecting their 450 euro cpu to destroy a 320 euro cpu in pretty much everything. It actually ends up just marginally winning in low resolution gaming. Thats just... Not good enough.

But you are right about the 7700k, it was a better cpu than the 3d is. It was way better in gaming than the 1800x and was also winning in single thread performance. The 3d does neither
 

Strawman

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No1 said 1800x was better, no1 mentioned 1800x at all :D ADL is intel's new gen arch using DDR5 ram. I'd say it getting a tie with AMD's 8 core cpu with DDR4 is not a good showing for intel's part. Because Raptor Lake will not a get a process bump but AMD will have a die shrink + new platform with DDR5.

But I was talking about other things in my post...
So the newest cpu from amd marginally beats the much cheaper last years 12700f in low resolution gaming while it gets oblitetated in everything else. Yeap, I think intel is doomed.
 

HardReset

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Nope, I was just expecting their 450 euro cpu to destroy a 320 euro cpu in pretty much everything. It actually ends up just marginally winning in low resolution gaming. Thats just... Not good enough.

But you are right about the 7700k, it was a better cpu than the 3d is. It was way better in gaming than the 1800x and was also winning in single thread performance. The 3d does neither
5800x3D is faster than Intel's 320 euro CPU on games and makes that with much lower power consumption. That's good showing.

Who actually cares about single thread performance outside games? Right, nobody.
So the newest cpu from amd marginally beats the much cheaper last years 12700f in low resolution gaming while it gets oblitetated in everything else. Yeap, I think intel is doomed.
AMD's server based CPU with 1.5 year old architecture beats Intel's desktop only architecture on games with much lower power consumption? What Intel still have? Moar cores with much higher power consumption. Yes, if there wasn't too many Intel fanboys on laptop and server markets, Intel would have been in trouble years ago.
 

Strawman

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5800x3D is faster than Intel's 320 euro CPU on games and makes that with much lower power consumption. That's good showing.

Who actually cares about single thread performance outside games? Right, nobody.
Everyone that uses productivity software that doesnt scale with cores? Autocad / photoshop / matlab etc.

Yes the 3d is marginally faster at low resolution gaming, gets blasted in everything else and yet its vastly more expensive. If this was an intel cpu you would be flaming the hell out of it.

I dont recall the 3d existing 1.5 years ago. Actually, its not even out yet. So what are you talking about