AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS Review: Can it beat Alder Lake?

Squid Surprise

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So, you have to understand that there are tons of apps that use CPU and just some GPU. Like Apple M1, the GPU is like a gtx 1050 ti but editing video, some 3D it is very fast; the CPU is also optimized and programming, web, office etc is very fast. All this with good battery. If you put an rtx 3090 only in idly you will double the consumption
Those "tons of apps" equate into maybe 2% of the market... maybe....at most...

The vast majority of people who actually need a CPU of this magnitude also need a better GPU - discrete... and once going that way, the 12700 blows this CPU away...
 

rmcrys

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Those "tons of apps" equate into maybe 2% of the market... maybe....at most...

The vast majority of people who actually need a CPU of this magnitude also need a better GPU - discrete... and once going that way, the 12700 blows this CPU away...
you're saying that only 2% of the people that use PCs / laptops / Macs are working on productivity / office / enterprise (non 3D) apps?! *HUGE* LOL

I think you got all wrong. Worldwide 99.x% of computer users use enterprise (insurance, hospital, programming, business/ bank, office) apps. Then 99.9% use *video* decode/ encode functions (YouTube, streaming, zoom, video recording, playback, editing which also the cheapest smartphone does, as well any CPU with a GPU).

If that much 2% (...0.02%) use 3D intensive apps (not games) that need a dGPU.
Almost all GPUs (I bet over 99.999%) are bought for gaming and more recently mining.
 

Squid Surprise

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you're saying that only 2% of the people that use PCs / laptops / Macs are working on productivity / office / enterprise (non 3D) apps?! *HUGE* LOL

I think you got all wrong. Worldwide 99.x% of computer users use enterprise (insurance, hospital, programming, business/ bank, office) apps. Then 99.9% use *video* decode/ encode functions (YouTube, streaming, zoom, video recording, playback, editing which also the cheapest smartphone does, as well any CPU with a GPU).

If that much 2% (...0.02%) use 3D intensive apps (not games) that need a dGPU.
Almost all GPUs (I bet over 99.999%) are bought for gaming and more recently mining.
lol... no... I'm saying the times when you need a 6900 and iGPU is 2% of use case... 98% either wants a lesser CPU or a better one + dGPU...
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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In the UK, The price of 12700H is comparable with the 5900HX. Both laptops have almost identical specs. I.e. 16gb ram, mobile 3080 dGPU, so I would expect the 6900H to be significantly cheaper than the Alder Lake 12900h, as it does not carry the hideously expensive Nvidia dGPU.
Comparing the two is pretty difficult, as they are like hens teeth around here...so we will have to wait and see the retail pricing. FWIW...I think the AMD part is the more balanced product of the two on performance per watt, and light gaming.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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lol... no... I'm saying the times when you need a 6900 and iGPU is 2% of use case... 98% either wants a lesser CPU or a better one + dGPU...
Your 2%/98% is pure BS. You don't know, and neither do I, the user profiles of laptop purchasing. Such nonsense only condemns the rest of your posting as the same BS, and should be treated as such.
 

Squid Surprise

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Your 2%/98% is pure BS. You don't know, and neither do I, the user profiles of laptop purchasing. Such nonsense only condemns the rest of your posting as the same BS, and should be treated as such.
Well... we can't get exact numbers... but it's well established which laptops are the most popular by price...


The $500-1000 is the most popular... and those obviously won't have a top of the line CPU - and probably won't have a discrete GPU either...

The % of laptops that have a high end CPU Ryzen 9 or Intel 7/9 would be a VERY small %.... and the % that have one of those WITHOUT a discrete GPU would be even smaller...

No, I can't prove 2%... but I suspect I'm pretty darn close...
 

HardReset

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This seems like a fairly even battle

on one hand, Intel has superior overall performance, and scales up FAR better
on the other hand, AMD has superior performance at lower wattages
on the third hand, Intel has better idle power usage, which might lead to better battery life for tasks such as web browsing, though that's purely my speculation
on your fourth hand (you have lots of hands), AMD will have better battery life for more strenuous tasks


AMD absolutely has purpose, but I would argue the 6900HS should cost less than the 12700H, as if you're buying a 12700H, you should get a dGPU as well to match up.

if you can afford a dGPU with the iGPU, I would probably go Intel
if you can't afford a dGPU, go AMD
if you will have access to an outlet, go Intel
if you need long hours of GPU battery life, go AMD
if you need PURE CPU performance, go Intel

pretty Even-Steven if I do say so myself, feel free to buy whichever one you want, though if I was absolutely forced to make a recommendation, Intel. Good day.

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If you need pure CPU performance, you buy laptop with desktop CPU. Btw that scaling only applies to Cinebench R23...
 

Squid Surprise

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If you are plugged in, then you buy laptop with desktop CPU or desktop. Simple. AMD here is more laptop GPU and Intel more desktop one.
If you don't need GPU, then Intel also wins when NOT plugged in... and not sure what you mean by "desktop CPU"... this is a mobile CPU - and it loses to Intel's mobile CPU...
 

HardReset

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If you don't need GPU, then Intel also wins when NOT plugged in... and not sure what you mean by "desktop CPU"... this is a mobile CPU - and it loses to Intel's mobile CPU...
AMD is more mobile than Intel. You can take desktop CPU and name it mobile and then it would be mobile. There is just much more mobile on AMD CPU than Intel when compared to desktop chips on same architecture.
 

Squid Surprise

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AMD is more mobile than Intel. You can take desktop CPU and name it mobile and then it would be mobile. There is just much more mobile on AMD CPU than Intel when compared to desktop chips on same architecture.
lol... to borrow from your own method of posting... PROVE IT...
 

HardReset

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lol... to borrow from your own method of posting... PROVE IT...
Easy. AMD APU is 6nm (not 7nm) while Intel uses same process for mobile and desktop. AMD APU is also meant for 35 watts range whereas Intel specs 12700H upto 105 watts. Also CPU core has design changes made for mobile use whereas 12700H seems just be desktop part with lower power consumption. More info for example here https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-6nm-ryzen-6000-rembrandt-soc-deep-dive-gunning-for-alder-lake
 

Squid Surprise

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Easy. AMD APU is 6nm (not 7nm) while Intel uses same process for mobile and desktop. AMD APU is also meant for 35 watts range whereas Intel specs 12700H upto 105 watts. Also CPU core has design changes made for mobile use whereas 12700H seems just be desktop part with lower power consumption. More info for example here https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-6nm-ryzen-6000-rembrandt-soc-deep-dive-gunning-for-alder-lake
Again... to use your method of debate (I'm going to call it HardReset Logic or HRL from now on), prove that this makes it "more mobile"? As long as a laptop can have an Intel CPU in it, have decent battery life and excellent performance, why would I buy an AMD one that performs worse and only has a slightly better battery life?
 

HardReset

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Again... to use your method of debate (I'm going to call it HardReset Logic or HRL from now on), prove that this makes it "more mobile"? As long as a laptop can have an Intel CPU in it, have decent battery life and excellent performance, why would I buy an AMD one that performs worse and only has a slightly better battery life?
AMD APU performs much better when using integrated graphics. And while Intel is 11% faster on Cinebench MT, peak power is also 57W larger. That makes 0.19% faster per watt.

And lastly, AMD APU is rated as 35W. Intel CPU is rated 45W normal and 105W max. Comparison is quite pointless when AMD does clearly 35W part and Intel makes something that may consume a lot. When using battery, you don't want any power hogs there. Intel is much better for desktop replacement use than AMD and AMD is much better when using battery.
 

Squid Surprise

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AMD APU performs much better when using integrated graphics. And while Intel is 11% faster on Cinebench MT, peak power is also 57W larger. That makes 0.19% faster per watt.

And lastly, AMD APU is rated as 35W. Intel CPU is rated 45W normal and 105W max. Comparison is quite pointless when AMD does clearly 35W part and Intel makes something that may consume a lot. When using battery, you don't want any power hogs there. Intel is much better for desktop replacement use than AMD and AMD is much better when using battery.
HRL ---> And how does this make it "more mobile"?
 

Squid Surprise

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Alternatively we might say one APU is designed more laptops in mind. Meaning power saving features are favored even if it means lower performance.
So you're saying that Intel's MOBILE LINEUP wasn't designed with laptops in mind? HRL: PROVE IT!
 

Avro Arrow

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If the 6900 with iGPU outperforms a 12500/nvidia 3050.... and is priced comparably.... then we're talking...
If that were the case, there would be nothing to talk about. If a Radeon IGP could out-perform an nVidia DGP, then nVidia would be sunk across the board.

Now that I think about it though, I haven't seen a discrete Radeon mobile GPU in a very long time (not that I've been looking for one). I just looked on newegg and... nothing. I guess that AMD got out of the discrete mobile market and decided to dedicate ATi's efforts to making desktop cards and APU IGPs.
 
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HardReset

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So you're saying that Intel's MOBILE LINEUP wasn't designed with laptops in mind? HRL: PROVE IT!
First, I didn't say that. Secondly, it's very evident that Intel's mobile chips are just lower powered desktop chips. Whereas AMD deliberately made Rembrandt mobile APU. Sources already provided.
 

HardReset

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Yes you did :) --"Alternatively we might say one APU is designed more laptops in mind." yes, you use terrible grammar... but that's what I got out of it...
That doesn't mean Intel CPU's are not designed laptops in mind At All.
HRL: Prove it!
Because only major differences are bigger and faster GPU. There is no major redesigns like on AMD products where desktop chips use chiplets and APU's don't. Simple as that.