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The ***** proof RAM sticker that just makes Asrock look like an *****!
we have an Asus marketing representative come to our shop on monthly basis and after talking with him he confessed that gigabyte is not even on their radar as a competitor for motherboards, the only competition in this market is coming from MSI.But yet, I have half a dozen in the house working perfectly. I find it odd that this this novice's experience always seems to run contrary to the "experts".Meh, I probably don't beat on them enough.
Either that, or dumb luck I suppose. Signed Gigabyte G-41 circa 2010..
Quick question, how does the profit margin on Gigabyte compare with those of Asus or MSI?
For fast, fast, fast relief of any of these problems, just leave that Asrock trash alone, and buy Gigabyte boards.
OK, first let's get the nomenclature out of the way; "marketing representative" is to "company salesman", what, "Hi-fi salesman", is to "audio consultant", which is comparable to what, "trash man is to the more charitable, "sanitation engineer".we have an Asus marketing representative come to our shop on monthly basis and after talking with him he confessed that gigabyte is not even on their radar as a competitor for motherboards, the only competition in this market is coming from MSI.
Well, the Gigabyte G-41 micro board I using for the web, (at this very moment), is pushing 12 years old.Are Gigabyte mobo better than their gpus? My one and only asrock mobo 370 taichi lasted about 3 yrs.
Quite frankly, I think it's you causing the "instability issues, not the boards. But then, I'm just a lowly mainstream user, not some uber master overclocking power user.I hate Gigabyte boards - never was able to get them stable no matter what I tried. Asus used to be great if you wanted to overclock but then they priced themselves out of my wallet range. Of all the AsRock boards I've bought since Ryzen was released, none have given me any issues. They've all been stable. Some of them of course don't overclock worth a damn - I'm looking at my B550 right that only offered me the advantage that it could support a 3slot GPU and leave the x8 slot available for my LSI 9211 card.
Its because of the ddr5. where the board doesnt stick with a base setting for the ram but ramps it to the highest stable speed....I have the steel legend board and ddr5...Hope that helps and I might add the training only happens on the first boot or if the hardware changes and then it repeats the learning processWhy are the boot times on these expensive motherboards so ridiculously long? It feels like we're taking a step back in quality and a major step up in price. Where is the value? ><
Well, the "newest" Gigabyte board I have in service is a Z170. It works just dandy. It is however, as old as, or older than, the age range you've specified..Gigabyte started good but now are crap. Like 3-5 years ago they went crazy. Same thing with GPU's and PSU's from them
yes, you are totally right from your own experience gigabyte has served you well, the same as MSI did for me on a personal level, however, when you deal with a large number of motherboards let's say 400 to 600 per month you can start to see which one is the worst which brand give you the most headaches in terms of RMA requests I personally have no favorite brand I always pick the best product that covers all my needs and gives me the best bang for the buck. but from a business standpoint, you have to pick the most reliable components, the first thing a normal customer will say is I paid x amount of money, and your system is not working properly. an average customer doesn't care what's inside as long as the system is performing as he expected it to be, and as soon as something goes wrong the first thing he will blame is the store from where he bought it. therefore we decided gigabytes won't be included in our pre-built System until they improve reliability on their motherboardsOK, first let's get the nomenclature out of the way; "marketing representative" is to "company salesman", what, "Hi-fi salesman", is to "audio consultant", which is comparable to what, "trash man is to the more charitable, "sanitation engineer".
I once held the lowly position of Hi-fi salesman. Their marketing representatives visited us from time to time as well. I once had a rep declare a competent salesperson could, "wrap a piece of sh!t in tinfoil, tie a red ribbon on it, and sell it as the crown jewels". I'm not saying that's what's happening in your case, merely illustrating the typical mindset of the average corporate "marketing representative".
Back in the day Intel, (Foxconn) boards were shunned by "PC enthusiasts", because of their mostly locked down BIOS. From another perspective, one might say, "Intel wasn't giving then enough rope to hang themselves".
OK. So, I'm a humble "mainstream user". I buy a CPU and board as a package, making sure the processor is compatible with the board's BIOS version as shipped. I "build" (plug together stuff), and the machines work just fine. (Since I always use Intel CPUs and Gigabyte boards, perhaps I am a "crackpot" as my screen name would suggest)..
Other than a Z77 ATX board which has given me nightmares due to its "idiosyncrasies", all my Gigabyte systems have soldiered on admirably, as far back as G-31 and a Pentium 2.2 Ghz E6300.
You may be entirely correct, but I can't in good conscience agree with you, since my personal experiences are polar opposite to yours.
I have a new B660 board which I should get to work on, since it doesn't look like it going to stop raining for a couple of days. (Remnants of "Ian"). Hey maybe the board sucks and I'll be back to honestly report my experience. But then again maybe it will fire right up, and I'll be able to hold on to my "uninformed" and perhaps somewhat provincial PoV. Cheers.
BTW, the only piece by MSI I ever bought was a GT-730. It almost worked in my internet rig. I had VGA out, but no DVI. So, I put a Asus GT-1030 in instead. It works fine, thank you very much. I transferred it (GT-730), to an Intel P-45 machine, where it did the same thing, and completely black screened within a couple of hours.
Now ask yourself, as an end user, would you be in a big hurry to rush out and buy more of their product? I think not...
My understanding is that part of it is the mobo "training" the memory. It should only do this on first boot or after CMOS clear. If it takes longer after that, it's likely due to loading various start up apps or having a slow disk in an otherwise fast computer.Why are the boot times on these expensive motherboards so ridiculously long? It feels like we're taking a step back in quality and a major step up in price. Where is the value? ><
as a person who assembles pcs for a living, gigabyte has to be the worst manufacturer when it comes to motherboards, the failure rate is so high I even stopped recommending their motherboards to customers and did not even include it in our pre-built systems.
I only recommend Asus if you have the cash or MSI if you want the best at a reasonable price
the thing about gigabyte motherboards is that there is no model or lineup you can pinpoint the issues to, it just happens to be so randomly from B450s to Z490s Z590s to X570s to TRX40 you never know which model will pop up in the RMA request the next day. I suspect their issues are not only about the quality of the boards themselves it also has to do with the Bios, but I can also comfortably say Asus has the superior Bios from all the manufacturers and they get to charge extra more than the competition because they know they are the best in the biz.100% agree, I haven't recommended a gigabyte mobo in the past 15 years. Asus has been very reliable for Intel systems I've built....can't speak to the AMD side where I suspect many of those complaining are coming from. The reality is it's likely to do with the crappy AMD chipsets/drivers and not the actual motherboard.