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soulsassassin

Posts: 143   +85
But yet, I have half a dozen in the house working perfectly. I find it odd that this this novice's experience always seems to run contrary to the "experts".Meh, I probably don't beat on them enough.

Either that, or dumb luck I suppose. Signed Gigabyte G-41 circa 2010..

Quick question, how does the profit margin on Gigabyte compare with those of Asus or MSI?
we have an Asus marketing representative come to our shop on monthly basis and after talking with him he confessed that gigabyte is not even on their radar as a competitor for motherboards, the only competition in this market is coming from MSI.
the only good thing about gigabyte motherboards is the aesthetics.
our RMA system is filled with gigabyte returns.
and to answer your question regarding the profit margin, there is no big profit margin on motherboards from all manufacturers we are living off rebates from distributors.
 

takaozo

Posts: 413   +633
For motherboards:
Asrock started as a cheap brand and moved up. Never used one from P4 days.
Gigabyte started good but now are crap. Like 3-5 years ago they went crazy. Same thing with GPU's and PSU's from them.
Asus, good but overpriced for what it is.
MSI on the other hand is decent and has a good price/performace ratio.

I still remember some good MB makers we lost along the way:
EPOX, SOYO....etc.
 

Fastturtle

Posts: 95   +51
I hate Gigabyte boards - never was able to get them stable no matter what I tried. Asus used to be great if you wanted to overclock but then they priced themselves out of my wallet range. Of all the AsRock boards I've bought since Ryzen was released, none have given me any issues. They've all been stable. Some of them of course don't overclock worth a damn - I'm looking at my B550 right that only offered me the advantage that it could support a 3slot GPU and leave the x8 slot available for my LSI 9211 card.
 

nnguy2

Posts: 593   +1,318
For fast, fast, fast relief of any of these problems, just leave that Asrock trash alone, and buy Gigabyte boards.

Are Gigabyte mobo better than their gpus? My one and only asrock mobo 370 taichi lasted about 3 yrs.

I've had great success with Asus and Msi in the past. With MSI being favorite so far.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,149   +8,299
we have an Asus marketing representative come to our shop on monthly basis and after talking with him he confessed that gigabyte is not even on their radar as a competitor for motherboards, the only competition in this market is coming from MSI.
OK, first let's get the nomenclature out of the way; "marketing representative" is to "company salesman", what, "Hi-fi salesman", is to "audio consultant", which is comparable to what, "trash man is to the more charitable, "sanitation engineer".

I once held the lowly position of Hi-fi salesman. Their marketing representatives visited us from time to time as well. I once had a rep declare a competent salesperson could, "wrap a piece of sh!t in tinfoil, tie a red ribbon on it, and sell it as the crown jewels". I'm not saying that's what's happening in your case, merely illustrating the typical mindset of the average corporate "marketing representative".

Back in the day Intel, (Foxconn) boards were shunned by "PC enthusiasts", because of their mostly locked down BIOS. From another perspective, one might say, "Intel wasn't giving then enough rope to hang themselves".

OK. So, I'm a humble "mainstream user". I buy a CPU and board as a package, making sure the processor is compatible with the board's BIOS version as shipped. I "build" (plug together stuff), and the machines work just fine. (Since I always use Intel CPUs and Gigabyte boards, perhaps I am a "crackpot" as my screen name would suggest)..

Other than a Z77 ATX board which has given me nightmares due to its "idiosyncrasies", all my Gigabyte systems have soldiered on admirably, as far back as G-31 and a Pentium 2.2 Ghz E6300.

You may be entirely correct, but I can't in good conscience agree with you, since my personal experiences are polar opposite to yours.

I have a new B660 board which I should get to work on, since it doesn't look like it going to stop raining for a couple of days. (Remnants of "Ian"). Hey maybe the board sucks and I'll be back to honestly report my experience. But then again maybe it will fire right up, and I'll be able to hold on to my "uninformed" and perhaps somewhat provincial PoV. Cheers.

BTW, the only piece by MSI I ever bought was a GT-730. It almost worked in my internet rig. I had VGA out, but no DVI. So, I put a Asus GT-1030 in instead. It works fine, thank you very much. I transferred it (GT-730), to an Intel P-45 machine, where it did the same thing, and completely black screened within a couple of hours.

Now ask yourself, as an end user, would you be in a big hurry to rush out and buy more of their product? I think not...

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captaincranky

Posts: 19,149   +8,299
Are Gigabyte mobo better than their gpus? My one and only asrock mobo 370 taichi lasted about 3 yrs.
Well, the Gigabyte G-41 micro board I using for the web, (at this very moment), is pushing 12 years old.

However, I wouldn't touch a Gigabyte video card or PSU with your 10 foot pole.

Some manufacturers capitalize on their success in one area of the market, to expand to others, using their reputation in their primary area of endeavor as leverage, (in Gigabytes case mobos), with varying degrees of competence. I have heard bad things about their PSUs and VGA offerings, and accordingly, steer well clear of them. For video cards I stick with Asus and EVGA. They've always worked out well for me.

As for PSUs, I have a number of "mainstream" low power requirement machines, most of which are equipped with Antec "Earthwatts" PSUs. (Back in the day, the 380 watt units could be had for about 40 bucks) I had one brick on me last week in this machine. It just, "gave up the ghost". It was 12 years old and used constantly. I gave it an reverent sendoff at the recycling station, thinking, "RIP little man, you've earned it". It didn't take out anything else upon its demise. I stuffed in an Antec 430D in it's place and we're happily, "keepin' on truckin'".

Delta was the OEM on the Earthwatts series, hence the "D" suffix. I keep thinking, "wouldn't it be great if they brought out a direct to consumer offering"..
 
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captaincranky

Posts: 19,149   +8,299
I hate Gigabyte boards - never was able to get them stable no matter what I tried. Asus used to be great if you wanted to overclock but then they priced themselves out of my wallet range. Of all the AsRock boards I've bought since Ryzen was released, none have given me any issues. They've all been stable. Some of them of course don't overclock worth a damn - I'm looking at my B550 right that only offered me the advantage that it could support a 3slot GPU and leave the x8 slot available for my LSI 9211 card.
Quite frankly, I think it's you causing the "instability issues, not the boards. But then, I'm just a lowly mainstream user, not some uber master overclocking power user.

Have you ever considered that it might be the CPUs causing the issues? (Of course you haven't. You build with AMD, and they can do no wrong)
 
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r8bwp

Posts: 42   +15
Why are the boot times on these expensive motherboards so ridiculously long? It feels like we're taking a step back in quality and a major step up in price. Where is the value? ><
Its because of the ddr5. where the board doesnt stick with a base setting for the ram but ramps it to the highest stable speed....I have the steel legend board and ddr5...Hope that helps and I might add the training only happens on the first boot or if the hardware changes and then it repeats the learning process
 
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captaincranky

Posts: 19,149   +8,299
Gigabyte started good but now are crap. Like 3-5 years ago they went crazy. Same thing with GPU's and PSU's from them
Well, the "newest" Gigabyte board I have in service is a Z170. It works just dandy. It is however, as old as, or older than, the age range you've specified..

I've addressed the possible disparities between different product categories from the same maker in post #32 above, 3rd paragraph..

So, I'll tell you a story on the topic,Once upon a time, Panasonic marketed a line of home Hi-fi under the marque, "Technics". Their turntables sold like hotcakes, were very good for the money, and people were quite happy to own them. However, their receivers, when tested, never met published specs. If they were claiming 55 watts RMS per channel, you'd be lucky to get 49 at the published distortion levels.

OTOH, Kenwood's, (now defunct also) amps and receivers always exceeded spec by about 10% or so. The sensible thing to do then was, "mix and match", by buying Kenwood for amps and tuners, with a Technics turntable..

I suspect the same paradigm may be in play with Gigabyte boards, versus their PSU and VGA products.
 

Mr Majestyk

Posts: 1,448   +1,356
How do you spell flustercuck. Marketing gone mad. I have never bought and Asrock MB and am less likely to do so now.
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 1,305   +953
I had hard to remove store stickers in general - destroying underneath , night before xmas wrapping - yeah I get anti-shoplift - but still mildly infuriating .

Then again people complain phone screen is poor - for months - until someone shows them to peel of protective plastic.
Or they stick cooler on cpu - with protective strip attached - or something like that.
Put roast chicken in oven - thinking plastic bag is an oven bag.
Electric plastic kettle on stove top .

The longer some stickers are left - they can melt/weld into things
 

soulsassassin

Posts: 143   +85
OK, first let's get the nomenclature out of the way; "marketing representative" is to "company salesman", what, "Hi-fi salesman", is to "audio consultant", which is comparable to what, "trash man is to the more charitable, "sanitation engineer".

I once held the lowly position of Hi-fi salesman. Their marketing representatives visited us from time to time as well. I once had a rep declare a competent salesperson could, "wrap a piece of sh!t in tinfoil, tie a red ribbon on it, and sell it as the crown jewels". I'm not saying that's what's happening in your case, merely illustrating the typical mindset of the average corporate "marketing representative".

Back in the day Intel, (Foxconn) boards were shunned by "PC enthusiasts", because of their mostly locked down BIOS. From another perspective, one might say, "Intel wasn't giving then enough rope to hang themselves".

OK. So, I'm a humble "mainstream user". I buy a CPU and board as a package, making sure the processor is compatible with the board's BIOS version as shipped. I "build" (plug together stuff), and the machines work just fine. (Since I always use Intel CPUs and Gigabyte boards, perhaps I am a "crackpot" as my screen name would suggest)..

Other than a Z77 ATX board which has given me nightmares due to its "idiosyncrasies", all my Gigabyte systems have soldiered on admirably, as far back as G-31 and a Pentium 2.2 Ghz E6300.

You may be entirely correct, but I can't in good conscience agree with you, since my personal experiences are polar opposite to yours.

I have a new B660 board which I should get to work on, since it doesn't look like it going to stop raining for a couple of days. (Remnants of "Ian"). Hey maybe the board sucks and I'll be back to honestly report my experience. But then again maybe it will fire right up, and I'll be able to hold on to my "uninformed" and perhaps somewhat provincial PoV. Cheers.

BTW, the only piece by MSI I ever bought was a GT-730. It almost worked in my internet rig. I had VGA out, but no DVI. So, I put a Asus GT-1030 in instead. It works fine, thank you very much. I transferred it (GT-730), to an Intel P-45 machine, where it did the same thing, and completely black screened within a couple of hours.

Now ask yourself, as an end user, would you be in a big hurry to rush out and buy more of their product? I think not...

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yes, you are totally right from your own experience gigabyte has served you well, the same as MSI did for me on a personal level, however, when you deal with a large number of motherboards let's say 400 to 600 per month you can start to see which one is the worst which brand give you the most headaches in terms of RMA requests I personally have no favorite brand I always pick the best product that covers all my needs and gives me the best bang for the buck. but from a business standpoint, you have to pick the most reliable components, the first thing a normal customer will say is I paid x amount of money, and your system is not working properly. an average customer doesn't care what's inside as long as the system is performing as he expected it to be, and as soon as something goes wrong the first thing he will blame is the store from where he bought it. therefore we decided gigabytes won't be included in our pre-built System until they improve reliability on their motherboards

also regarding the sales representative he was talking about the sales numbers, gigabyte doesn't represent any threat to Asus. Their main competitor is always MSI. could be a different story in another place in the world though.
 

waclark

Posts: 706   +450
Why are the boot times on these expensive motherboards so ridiculously long? It feels like we're taking a step back in quality and a major step up in price. Where is the value? ><
My understanding is that part of it is the mobo "training" the memory. It should only do this on first boot or after CMOS clear. If it takes longer after that, it's likely due to loading various start up apps or having a slow disk in an otherwise fast computer.
 

BadThad

Posts: 1,222   +1,490
as a person who assembles pcs for a living, gigabyte has to be the worst manufacturer when it comes to motherboards, the failure rate is so high I even stopped recommending their motherboards to customers and did not even include it in our pre-built systems.
I only recommend Asus if you have the cash or MSI if you want the best at a reasonable price

100% agree, I haven't recommended a gigabyte mobo in the past 15 years. Asus has been very reliable for Intel systems I've built....can't speak to the AMD side where I suspect many of those complaining are coming from. The reality is it's likely to do with the crappy AMD chipsets/drivers and not the actual motherboard.
 

soulsassassin

Posts: 143   +85
100% agree, I haven't recommended a gigabyte mobo in the past 15 years. Asus has been very reliable for Intel systems I've built....can't speak to the AMD side where I suspect many of those complaining are coming from. The reality is it's likely to do with the crappy AMD chipsets/drivers and not the actual motherboard.
the thing about gigabyte motherboards is that there is no model or lineup you can pinpoint the issues to, it just happens to be so randomly from B450s to Z490s Z590s to X570s to TRX40 you never know which model will pop up in the RMA request the next day. I suspect their issues are not only about the quality of the boards themselves it also has to do with the Bios, but I can also comfortably say Asus has the superior Bios from all the manufacturers and they get to charge extra more than the competition because they know they are the best in the biz.

let's hope gigabyte steps up their game and offers more reliable boards and a better bios experience