Best Value CPU Battle: Core i5-12400 vs. Ryzen 5 5600X

Axeia

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That being said, I'm not sure how a 5600G at about $250 being actually beaten for real by the 12400(f) while being much cheaper too, would actually make this any better... On the contrary, it would make it worse for AMD.
Because the price step up and the performance difference are relatively small. The next step up from a 5600g graphics performance wise is a decent graphics card which then in turn means doubling the price of the entire system.

The 5600g became interesting simply because of how the market is. It's good enough to play pretty much all of the most popular games at 1080p with medium or even high settings. That's where Intel falls short and as they're trying to sell dedicated cards soon I'm not sure how inclined they are to keep improving in this area with future intergrated graphics.

Imo if AMD wants to play it smart they'll do all they can to get DDR5 RAM prices in check and get APU performance with Zen 7xxx to such a level that it will play any 1080p game at 60fps high settings, even the newest ones. We don't know if Intel can compete at the highest level of graphics cards for 4k high/ultra settings but AMD definitely can so they could focus on that. Basically just split the market in two, APU's for 1080p. Dedicated (and thus extremely expensive, thanks to miners and scalpers) graphic cards for 4k (and or high refresh rate WQHD). Leaves WQHD 60fps in limbo but the market has largely ignored that since forever anyway.

Then they'll have a solid grip on the low end gaming market and can massively increase their market share amongst gamers. For productivity they should be able to compete as well by simply having very high core count.

Till they're there imo drop prices of the 5600x and 5600g and they're plenty competitive until then.
 
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Kosmoz

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Because the price step up and the performance difference are relatively small. The next step up from a 5600g graphics performance wise is a decent graphics card which then in turn means doubling the price of the entire system.

The 5600g became interesting simply because of how the market is. It's good enough to play pretty much all of the most popular games at 1080p with medium or even high settings. That's where Intel falls short and as they're trying to sell dedicated cards soon I'm not sure how inclined they are to keep improving in this area with future intergrated graphics.

Imo if AMD wants to play it smart they'll do all they can to get DDR5 RAM prices in check and get APU performance with Zen 7xxx to such a level that it will play any 1080p game at 60fps high settings, even the newest ones. We don't know if Intel can compete at the highest level of graphics cards for 4k high/ultra settings but AMD definitely can so they could focus on that. Basically just split the market in two, APU's for 1080p. Dedicated (and thus extremely expensive, thanks to miners and scalpers) graphic cards for 4k (and or high refresh rate WQHD). Leaves WQHD 60fps in limbo but the market has largely ignored that since forever anyway.

Then they'll have a solid grip on the low end gaming market and can massively increase their market share amongst gamers. For productivity they should be able to compete as well by simply having very high core count.

Till they're there imo drop prices of the 5600x and 5600g and they're plenty competitive until then.
I actually agree with everything you said. I don't need to add anything to that.
 

liljom

Posts: 6   +7
I'm happy to see this performance gain compared to previous gen, and I'm excited, but I just won't buy an Intel motherboard. I'll get a B650 AM5 mobo when it's out, and the new AMD. Then I can expect to be able to upgrade to 2 more generations :)
Hopefully Alder Lake will push down next gen AMD prices
 

Lew Zealand

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And now you an overclock your i5-12400 if you have an Asus ROG Strix or Maximus board with the 0811 BIOS. In Alder Lake the BCLK and PCI (and other) timings are generated separately so BCLK overclocking works again without effing up other parts of the system.

And Asus went ahead and enabled BLCK overclocking on non-K parts, the little devils.

5.2GHz on your i5-12400 anyone?:

 

Avro Arrow

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Alder Lake is better but not better ENOUGH. It's still pretty close to Zen 3 and that's a bad omen for Intel because we can be certain that Zen 4 WON'T be close to Zen 3.

You don't change the socket type that you've used for almost 20 years unless the product it will hold is special. Pat Gelsinger is right, AMD won't be in his windshield because he won't be able to see below the horizon. :laughing:
 

Strawman

Posts: 512   +266
I's sad when most of the tech media, YT channels and press keep shilling for intel and we only have HUB and GN to rely on accurate and honest reviews.

The amount of reviews (with cherry picked tests and games) showing the 12400 beating the 5600X is disgusting at this point. Yes, the 12400 beats it at price/performance and yes, it's a very good CPU for that price (I can admit that even thou I prefer AMD, I'm not a blind fanboi), but from that to make it as a no contest winner... that's some next level shilling there.

Thanks Steve for showing how it really is, on average the 5600X is 6% faster in games vs 12400, but without PBO, that's important. So by enabling PBO the gap will widen to at least +10% (more like 15%) in favor of the 5600X.

That's all we need to know. And yes, AMD should lower prices for Zen3 across the board. Just because I like AMD does not mean I like higher prices. There's a reason why I bought my 5600X for $240 at a BF deal, I would not pay $300 for it in normal circumstances.
WOW. That;s some...logic you got there.

So basically out of all the reviews you picked the one you like it's numbers (because you support one multibillion $ company over another) and convinced your self it is the right one, and everyone else is wrong , lying and shilling. Way to go champ

If I was doing the review the 12400 would be equal to the 5600x in gaming. Why? Cause it comes down to game selection. HUB uses F1 and Rainbow 6, they both are huge outliers for AMD, but they are both kinda pointless since all CPU's get 300 to 500+ fps.

Not blaming HUB, they can choose whatever games they want, I'm just pointing out that game selection and hardware selection (nvidia or amd GPU) is what decides which one of the two cpu is doing better or worse.
 

Strawman

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if you have one and it supports Ryzen 5000 series it's definitely the cheapest option for someone to get a worthwhile upgrade to extend the systems life.
No it's not. With ZEN 3 AMD is charging you a motherboard just for the cost of the CPU. The 5800x alone costs as much as a 12600k and a motherboard. Even before alderlake, you could buy a 10700f + Z490 for the cost of a 5800x. A 5900x costs as much as a 12700f + motherboard.

So yeah, does it matter whether you can reuse your mobo, when they are already charging you for it but you are still force to use your old outdated one?
 

Strawman

Posts: 512   +266
You're actually spot on, but the opposite, you failed in your attempt of whatever negative thing you were trying to prove.

It's called the Scythe Fuma 2 + 1 extra fan (so 3 fans total) and I got it for exactly $65 and it's a game changer. Best price/perf cooler I ever had. I have it set at max 90% speed and it's very very quet and cools as good as a $100+ cooler, if not better (being more silent too).

Guess who won GN's Best Overall Cooler for 2021? And I bought it before it was awarded the title (based on initial reviews) and after I bought the 5600X, so exactly that money saved was used...
According to GN? Wasn't GN a shill just 3 posts ago? But now GN is fine cause it has the results you want?

Anyways, clicked your link. What 100€ cooler does it beat? It loses to the freezer 50 which is a 48€ cooler, what are you talking about, lol
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 4,304   +2,306
I'm happy to see this performance gain compared to previous gen, and I'm excited, but I just won't buy an Intel motherboard. I'll get a B650 AM5 mobo when it's out, and the new AMD. Then I can expect to be able to upgrade to 2 more generations :)
Hopefully Alder Lake will push down next gen AMD prices
How do you expect AMD to make Intel money with lowering prices every time they are beaten?
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 4,304   +2,306
I'm not so sure yet. Sure, Ryzen is about 90$ more, yet boards can go as cheap as 60$. While for Intel both CPU and MBO is about 190$ in retail. So you still save some with AMD if you're prepared to go with lower end MBO (but still ATX and 4 DIMM slots). And it is overall still bit better performance. And if you have the AM4 motherboard already, even better. On the other hand, if you game on the cheap, like, real cheap, you have APUs that have actually usable graphics for low end gaming (eSports and older games, or even stuff like this year's Valheim). And you're missing all the best Alder Lake stuff by going cheap anyway, like PCIe 5.0, DDR5, E-cores, and such. I'm not saying we need that stuff, but Intel themselves push it as biggest generational upgrades, yet entey level MBO+12400(F) will make you skip on it all. So for a lot of existing AMD users, low end gamers, and those wanting a real bump on specs, 12400 still isn't all that amazing purchase. Just saying...
The majority of buyers are going to buy OEM where Intel will have more options. A lot of DIY will build Intel if starting from scratch. This is what competition looks like.

95/100 scores for a $200 CPU that competes with $300 CPU go a long way. The hype is real, AMD had their hype. No need to spread misinformation, because your team lost this round. Wait for Zen 4 for your turn to come back.
 

dacoll

Posts: 18   +7
Building my Brother in Law new PC this weekend, the cheapest i5 12400 I found priced circa US$ 230 (after conversion) here in my country and with US$110 H610 mainboard from Gigabyte overall its still quite premium and not that cheap. But as you said equivalent R5 5600X still hovering above premium around US$ 325,albeit cheaper mainboard , but looking at the future support its the only choice we have.
 
The mid-range is where it's at and really the only space where the price to performance ratio is actually worth the money. The competition is exciting, even if I skew towards AMD overall. And it's nice to finally see Intel giving it some effort.
 

Makste

Posts: 151   +104
I think that you forgot to colour the parts under review in the charts.
It's an interesting review of interesting CPUs nevertheless.
 

Makste

Posts: 151   +104
Alder Lake is better but not better ENOUGH. It's still pretty close to Zen 3 and that's a bad omen for Intel because we can be certain that Zen 4 WON'T be close to Zen 3.

You don't change the socket type that you've used for almost 20 years unless the product it will hold is special. Pat Gelsinger is right, AMD won't be in his windshield because he won't be able to see below the horizon. :laughing:

I want to believe that this is true 👍🏾
 

Usukosej

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Put this 12400 in a board than allows for overclocking of non-K chips for even better value :p Asrock BFB for example.
 

Usukosej

Posts: 183   +82
with $500 Mainboard you better buy a 12900K
What are you talking about haha, pretty much all Asrock 600 series boards support overclocking of non-K chips, several h670 and b660 boards, not sure about h610 but they might do as well

A cheap b660 board with bfb + 12400f/12600f and overclock + ddr4 is serious bang for buck. AMD don't have anything even remotely close to this value.
 
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Irata

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What are you talking about haha, pretty much all Asrock 600 series boards support overclocking of non-K chips, several h670 and b660 boards, not sure about h610 but they might do as well

A cheap b660 board with bfb + 12400f/12600f and overclock + ddr4 is serious bang for buck. AMD don't have anything even remotely close to this value.
You must have missed the budget B560 and B660 reviews HUB did that were posted on Techspot. None were too kind to Asrock boards.
 

Usukosej

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You must have missed the budget B560 and B660 reviews HUB did that were posted on Techspot. None were too kind to Asrock boards.
A cheap board usually don't score top reviews however works just fine especially with low end chips

B660 Steel Legend scores pretty good reviews and have good VRM and is not really expensive, there is several good asrock boards, and some bad ones, just like any other brand

It does not have to be asrock either, several other brands have features like BFB that allows oc of non-k chips these days
 

Irata

Posts: 2,034   +3,453
A cheap board usually don't score top reviews however works just fine especially with low end chips

B660 Steel Legend scores pretty good reviews and have good VRM and is not really expensive, there is several good asrock boards, and some bad ones, just like any other brand

It does not have to be asrock either, several other brands have features like BFB that allows oc of non-k chips these days
The review‘s title was ‚
[HEADING=2]PSA: Don't Buy This Asrock Motherboard[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]The Asrock B660M-HDV is a Garbage Product‘[/HEADING]
I feel that‘s a bit beyond not scoring a top review.

The steel legend goes for $140 at Newegg. Not sure I‘d call that budget any longer.

Either way, all a board+memory+CPU combo needs to do is be right for your use case, so if it is, all is good.
 

Usukosej

Posts: 183   +82
The review‘s title was ‚
[HEADING=2]PSA: Don't Buy This Asrock Motherboard[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]The Asrock B660M-HDV is a Garbage Product‘[/HEADING]
I feel that‘s a bit beyond not scoring a top review.

The steel legend goes for $140 at Newegg. Not sure I‘d call that budget any longer.

Either way, all a board+memory+CPU combo needs to do is be right for your use case, so if it is, all is good.

Never heard of that Asrock board before. I don't really buy or build in the budget segment tho. I use mid-end parts or better for myself, friends and family.

A motherboard should not cost less than 100 dollars ever, if you ask me...

Most cheap boards will have low quality VRM, bad audio, zero support from manufacturer (we saw that with 300 and 400 series AMD chipsets especially - which did not get firmware to support 3000 and 5000 series CPUs) and sometimes only 1-2 years of warranty, compared to 3+ (typically) on mid-end or better

Never cheap out on MOTHERBOARD and PSU !!
Don't buy the highest end either... 🤣
 
The majority of buyers are going to buy OEM where Intel will have more options. A lot of DIY will build Intel if starting from scratch. This is what competition looks like.

95/100 scores for a $200 CPU that competes with $300 CPU go a long way. The hype is real, AMD had their hype. No need to spread misinformation, because your team lost this round. Wait for Zen 4 for your turn to come back.
It seems people are forgetting that the 11400f exists, and you can turn the settings down on each game you don't have tax everything

Also I doubt everyone has a 3080/6800xt and higher so there is that, buy an 11400f +ddr4 + good mobo and your cpu is better than any cpu released before zen3 ( for gaming obviously) except for water-cooled 9900k /8700k maybe