Biden administration proposes national EV charging station standards

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scavengerspc

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He just killed off two massive oil fields last month ... one of them being in Alaska ... it's in the article I linked above.
I thought you might want to read this. Just an FYI for what you dont want to know.


Biden said the oil industry has "9,000 permits to drill now. They could be drilling right now, yesterday, last week, last year."

"Biden’s number is correct: There are 9,137 approved permits to drill on federal and Indian land, and the oil industry could use those permits and drill. However, once the permit is approved, drilling doesn’t start overnight. Some companies choose not to drill for corporate reasons — because they can raise funds from investors by not drilling on leases with proven reserves."

An industry truly worthy of death.
 

Aus spot

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So much talk of civil war type in the comments (dem/rep). Maybe gain an international viewpoint.

Why is America going it alone AGAIN. Here is Biden's chance of influencing world charging methods. He can do that without spending a cent but still benefit the USA. Imagine a world standard, how good would that be.
 

Endymio

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2 years ago. Yes. [Biden] has lightened his position.
Really?

Jan 29, 2021: "President Biden signs executive order banning new federal oil fracking leases...."

Feb 01, 2021: "Biden’s oil and gas drilling ban may end offshore Gulf of Mexico work..."

Jun 1, 2021: "Biden Suspends all new Drilling Leases in Arctic...."

Sep 27, 2021: "Oil producers brace for Biden's expensive new methane regulations ... small producers say they may have to shut down...."

Nov 17, 2021: "Biden administration places hold on massive lease sale for oil and gas development..."

Nov 25, 2021: "Biden administration calls for hike in federal drilling fees...."

Nov 26, 2021 "President Joe Biden announced Monday a proposal for a 20-year ban on new oil and gas drilling in New Mexico ..."

Dec 10, 2021 "The Biden administration says it will immediately end federal funding for most international fossil fuel projects..."

Feb 19, 2022: "Biden pauses all new oil and gas leases amid legal battle over cost of climate change...."

May 11, 2022 "Biden admin cancels massive 1-million acre oil and gas lease sale amid record-high gas prices...

June 03, 2022: Biden environmental review jeopardizes more than 2,000 oil and gas leases"
 
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wiyosaya

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Point out the part of that post that isn't factual.
Part? All of it. Economy lags behind presidents. However, that seems to be a difficult concept to understand for many.

Really?

Jan 29, 2021: "President Biden signs executive order banning new federal oil fracking leases...."

Feb 01, 2021: "Biden’s oil and gas drilling ban may end offshore Gulf of Mexico work..."

Jun 1, 2021: "Biden Suspends all new Drilling Leases in Arctic...."

Sep 27, 2021: "Oil producers brace for Biden's expensive new methane regulations ... small producers say they may have to shut down...."

Nov 17, 2021: "Biden administration places hold on massive lease sale for oil and gas development..."

Nov 25, 2021: "Biden administration calls for hike in federal drilling fees...."

Nov 26, 2021 "President Joe Biden announced Monday a proposal for a 20-year ban on new oil and gas drilling in New Mexico ..."

Dec 10, 2021 "The Biden administration says it will immediately end federal funding for most international fossil fuel projects..."

Feb 19, 2022: "Biden pauses all new oil and gas leases amid legal battle over cost of climate change...."

May 11, 2022 "Biden admin cancels massive 1-million acre oil and gas lease sale amid record-high gas prices...

June 03, 2022: Biden environmental review jeopardizes more than 2,000 oil and gas leases"
Heaven forbid. Who needs a clean environment. Lets just go back to the way things were before the EPA was created (did you know the EPA was created by a REPUBLICAN?). Environmental regulations are evil. Who needs clean air, and water. After all, humans are doing just fine getting sick on all the environmental pollution. Talk about cluelessness and coming from a supposed scientist no less. :rolleyes: Enjoy the snark!
 

Endymio

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Heaven forbid. Who needs a clean environment.
The logical fallacy known as the "false dilemma" appears. We can produce oil and have a clean environment as well. In fact, the prosperity that results from cheap, abundant energy is what enables us to afford a clean, healthy environment. Zambia, Kyrgyzstan, Peru, North Korea, the poorer areas of China and Inda -- the environmental conditions there are horrendous.
 

wiyosaya

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The logical fallacy known as the "false dilemma" appears. We can produce oil and have a clean environment as well. In fact, the prosperity that results from cheap, abundant energy is what enables us to afford a clean, healthy environment. Zambia, Kyrgyzstan, Peru, North Korea, the poorer areas of China and Inda -- the environmental conditions there are horrendous.
If that's the case, then why are you constantly knocking environmentalists? Why do republicans constantly want to eliminate the EPA?

Sorry, charlie, I'm not buying it. There needs to be oversight simply because most profit-loving humans are not honest.

I guess if you were not born yet in the 1970s, then you are not aware of the conditions that existed in the US which were not unlike India and China, now. For your edification - https://timeline.com/la-smog-pollution-4ca4bc0cc95d
Do some research, and you will find other areas of the US that were just as bad for the same and other reasons.

Or do you, again, just want to keep repeating the same things over and over and expect different results?

If what you say is possible, then why is it not being pursued? And don't blame environmentalists.
 

Endymio

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I suspect this is too long for you to read and educate yourself, but here it is anyway. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikesc...en-the-power-comes-from-coal/?sh=101acbb42320
You should have read the actual research, rather than a poorly-educated journalist's misinterpretation of it. The study concluded that EVs generate less carbon emissions that gas-powered vehicles in most countries (in nation's such as Poland, however, the reverse is true). And even this conclusion only came because the study assumed that future electricity generation (the study looked out to the year 2050) would include more renewables than it does today.

Most importantly, what this study didnot conclude is that EVs are cleaner or "less polluting" than gas vehicles. It did not consider the toxic pollutants generated by the production and disposal of lithium-ion batteries, for instance, nor any other factors beyond CO2 itself.
 

8600M GT

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So let me get this straight....

It can take hours and hours to charge an electric vehicle (depending on your model, it could take up to 10 hours to fully charge), especially if the batteries are low. Average distance current electric cars can travel on a full charge is about 250 miles.

It's just over 275 miles for me to get from my place to my younger brother's place when I go to visit, but leaving my area I'll be meet with traffic congestion, construction slowdowns and lights. A trip that should take roughly 3.5 hours (based on distance) is usually 4-4.5 hours due to everything above. Even if none of those factors are involved, I'd still have to stop once or twice to charge to make sure my batteries have enough power to get me the full distance.

If my EV only does around 250 miles on a full charge, I can almost make it without stopping.
Sadly, you don't want to be stranded some place hoping you make it on the last bit of your charge so I would have to hit a charging station and that would leave me around 100-75 miles away from my brother's place.

Now I have to sit at the charging station for, most likely a couple of hours as I wait for my car to charge up enough to ensure I have a large enough charge to get me the rest of the distance....all while my kids are complaining that they're bored and the wife is pissed we're basically stranded for hours just so we can charge our electric vehicle.

This sounds like fun! Yes, thank you Biden for thinking of the people! You are the best!
(if you can't feel it dripping off these words in the last sentence, it's covered in sarcasm)

That's actually one of the problems this proposal is meant to solve. The fast charging stations can take your car from 20 to 80% charge in about half an hour. So about 150 miles of range in that half hour.

In your example, a 15 minute stop would get you 75 miles of range, and thus a 50 mile buffer. And I don't know about you, but over a 4-4.5 hour journey I'd want to have a break at some point.

Some cars charge even faster; a Tesla Model 3 can get 75 miles of range in 5 minutes, or 180 miles in 15 minutes, with the right type of charger (source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190724131327/https://www.tesla.com/presskit). With that sort of infrastructure, you could take an EV almost anywhere with minimal charging time, and that's what this proposal is trying to make happen.
 

Endymio

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If that's the case, then why are you constantly knocking environmentalists?
Glad you asked. Because invariably what an "environmentalist" wants is counterproductive and even harmful to the environment. Case in point: their incessant unvarying hatred of nuclear power, which kept coal-fired power in business -- despite the fact that your average coal power plant releases not only countless other toxins, but more radiation than does a nuclear plant itself.

Don't even get me started on the damage done by countless environmental scares-- everything from alar to acid rain to peak oil to global warming itself. I'll leave you with this little tidbit -- from a newspaper report published over 22 years ago, and published in the British

"Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

...According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold..."
 

Endymio

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Yes. Really.
No, not really:

"Drilling permits spiked then plunged under Biden....Interior Department approvals to drill oil and gas wells have dropped significantly in recent months, a shift from 2021...The Bureau of Land Management in January approved just 95 permits for oil and natural gas wells....

https://www.eenews.net/articles/drilling-permits-spiked-then-plunged-under-biden/

Far more significant, however, is that you can't simply equate the number of permits with the level of production. One single permit in a vast oil-rich area like ANWR can produce more oil and gas than a hundred in tiny, unproven reservoirs in Arizona and NM. And, of course, the permit backlog in the US is now higher than it's been in the last 40 years.

The second factor is of course the massive levels of new regulations the Biden Administration has heaped upon the industry -- the new methane monitoring and release requirements alone have made many areas unprofitable to exploit, lease or no.

Finally, the third factor is the Biden Administration's stated goal to eliminate fossil fuels entirely within a decade. Most new drilling projects require longer than that prove, develop, and recoup the initial investment. Who wants to invest money on a project that the federal government says they're going to kill off as soon as possible?
 

scavengerspc

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The logical fallacy known as the "false dilemma" appears. We can produce oil and have a clean environment as well.
You, for some reason, makes it sound like some unsolvable conundrum.

When oil is no longer refined to be burned, the so-called "false dilemma" is achieved. Its not rocket science. In fact, its not even a kids puzzle.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Part? All of it. Economy lags behind presidents. However, that seems to be a difficult concept to understand for many.
I would like to state that anyone who thinks Trump's economic (including energy) policies were even remotely similar to Obama and Biden needs to take an economics class or even two.

Was unemployment at a 50 year low under Trump: Yes

Was unemployment at an all time low for blacks & hispanics: Yes

Was the consumer confidence index level at a twenty year high under Trump: Yes

Was the small business confidence index level at a twenty year high under Trump: Yes

Did Trump rework NAFTA trade deal in the US favor so that America stopped getting hosed by Canada & Mexico: Yes

Did manufacturing jobs rise under Trump: Yes

Was the US energy independent for the first time since the 1960's under Trump: Yes

Were multiple peace treaties signed under Trump: Yes

Did Trump offer a tariff free trade deal to the EU and UK: Yes

Did Trump pull the US out of the Paris Climate Scam: Yes

Did Trump pressure our so called NATO allies to start paying their promised 2% of GDP towards defense spending: Yes

Did Trump make attempts to secure the US southern border: Yes

Did Trump get the US into any new wars: No
 

Puiu

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$250 billion dollars of taxpayer money after the US dollar is already tanking big time. This administration is a trainwreck.
It's why you pay taxes. You don't pay them to get rich or for the government to help you get rich, you pay them for the government to use them in such projects. This US administration is already a million times better than Trump's.
 

Duke9192

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Under Trump this country had the lowest unemployment in 50 years, lowest unemployment for blacks & hispanics ever recorded. Highest small business confidence index level in twenty years, highest consumer confidence index level in twenty years. Brought back those jobs Obummer said weren't coming back such as manufacturing not to mention his administration reworked NAFTA in our favor so we didn't continue to get hosed by the likes of Canada and Mexico. He put millions into vo-tech schooling such as the skilled trades. Several peace treaties were signed under his administration including Serbia - Kosovo and Israel with multiple Arab countries. He walked the talk and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem when other US Presidents promised to do this but never followed through. Trump pressured our NATO allies to start paying their fare share while offering both the UK and the EU a tariff free trade deal seeing how the EU is screwing us bigly on tariffs. Trump fought to keep our borders safe from the illegal alien horde along with keeping mentally ill freaks out of school girl's bathrooms, locker rooms and girl's organized sports. Trump also got the US out of the Paris Climate scam while opening up federal lands for resource development including oil & gas. Under Trump the US was energy independant for the first time since the 1960's and he did all this while dealing with a fake Russia hoax investigation, fake impeachment and China bought & paid for MSM / big tech.
You are spot on my friend. I hope the truth doesn't get lost in the mix of the next few years propaganda, wishful thinking I suppose. They hate Trump because of the facts you stated, though they fail to realize it themselves. He was the greatest threat to fading the line between skin color since the republican Abraham Lincoln. More people were in the workforce, being a part of society than ever, and the left couldn't allow it to continue or they would lose the election. They stoked the fires (literally and figuratively) to open old wounds by touting police brutality and showing partial video clips of police shootings in order to fire up their voter base. We watched businesses burn for a year. They strategically did this when Trump began to push for reopening after covid lock downs, and had they not began that assault, and had we opened things back up then, we would've had a normal election and not the jacked up one we had with ballot boxes on street corners (BOTH candidates received more votes than any other elected president in history). The left has scared the double hockey sticks out of a certain people, and they continue to wear their face coverings everywhere they go. Don't worry, they'll definetly vote left, they've been prodded into fear relentlessly, whether it's covid or police brutality propaganda. I'll give you the Jan 6 thing, ya know, the one where the unarmed woman was shot and killed climbing through the broken door. They shouldn't have entered the building. I just paid 95 bucks to fill up a jeep today, and as I filled up I wondered what it would look like if every vehicle on the road had to charge rather than fill. What a mess it would be. I think if Biden is gonna push for more charging stations, it should be at homes. That would be where the majority of charging would occur. But, I'm done ranting, good day.
 

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I would like to state that anyone who thinks Trump's economic (including energy) policies were even remotely similar to Obama and Biden needs to take an economics class or even two.

Was unemployment at a 50 year low under Trump: Yes

Was unemployment at an all time low for blacks & hispanics: Yes

Was the consumer confidence index level at a twenty year high under Trump: Yes

Was the small business confidence index level at a twenty year high under Trump: Yes

Did Trump rework NAFTA trade deal in the US favor so that America stopped getting hosed by Canada & Mexico: Yes

Did manufacturing jobs rise under Trump: Yes

Was the US energy independent for the first time since the 1960's under Trump: Yes

Were multiple peace treaties signed under Trump: Yes

Did Trump offer a tariff free trade deal to the EU and UK: Yes

Did Trump pull the US out of the Paris Climate Scam: Yes

Did Trump pressure our so called NATO allies to start paying their promised 2% of GDP towards defense spending: Yes

Did Trump make attempts to secure the US southern border: Yes

Did Trump get the US into any new wars: No
Such BS.

Trump literally did nothing to help unemployment, the rate was already going down really fast during Obama's administration and Trump rode the wave. The same with the jobs (no he didn't make more jobs, he actually slowed down job creation). He literally took credit for someone else's work. He should say "Thanks Obama".

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In the end all Trump did was isolate the US globally, insult its allies, blackmail Ukraine's president AND benefit from Obama's administration.

Most your "points" are just fantasies.
 

scavengerspc

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No, not really:

"Drilling permits spiked then plunged under Biden....Interior Department approvals to drill oil and gas wells have dropped significantly in recent months, a shift from 2021...The Bureau of Land Management in January approved just 95 permits for oil and natural gas wells....

https://www.eenews.net/articles/drilling-permits-spiked-then-plunged-under-biden/

Far more significant, however, is that you can't simply equate the number of permits with the level of production. One single permit in a vast oil-rich area like ANWR can produce more oil and gas than a hundred in tiny, unproven reservoirs in Arizona and NM. And, of course, the permit backlog in the US is now higher than it's been in the last 40 years.

The second factor is of course the massive levels of new regulations the Biden Administration has heaped upon the industry -- the new methane monitoring and release requirements alone have made many areas unprofitable to exploit, lease or no.

Finally, the third factor is the Biden Administration's stated goal to eliminate fossil fuels entirely within a decade. Most new drilling projects require longer than that prove, develop, and recoup the initial investment. Who wants to invest money on a project that the federal government says they're going to kill off as soon as possible?
Still filibustering, so I will make you deal. You answer my point about the number of permits I will talk to you about all these things I wasn't talking about.
 

Endymio

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Trump literally did nothing to help unemployment, the rate was already going down really fast
When Obama was elected, there were 13.03 million people employed in the manufacturing sector. By the time he had left office, that number had declined to 12.37 million -- 700,000 less jobs in the manufacturing sector. You can't blame Obama entirely, of course...manufacturing had been declining since the 1980s.

However, under Trump that trend reversed itself Before the Covid shutdowns, manufacturing employment had reversed course and increased, all the way back up to 12.78 million. In other words, Trump brought back to the country half a million manufacturing jobs -- the first increase since the days of Ronald Reagan.

That was already an outlier, either. Under Trump's "trade war" with China, (you remember China, right? The nation with three million people in slave-labor genocide camps) the US saw the first decline in our Chinese trade deficit. The first such decline ever recorded in US history.

When oil is no longer refined to be burned, the so-called "false dilemma" is achieved.
A few posts ago, you were claiming that Biden was doing a better job than Trump at boosting oil production -- now you imply we should stop burning it entirely? Which is it?
 

Ultraman1966

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Glad you asked. Because invariably what an "environmentalist" wants is counterproductive and even harmful to the environment. Case in point: their incessant unvarying hatred of nuclear power, which kept coal-fired power in business -- despite the fact that your average coal power plant releases not only countless other toxins, but more radiation than does a nuclear plant itself.

Don't even get me started on the damage done by countless environmental scares-- everything from alar to acid rain to peak oil to global warming itself. I'll leave you with this little tidbit -- from a newspaper report published over 22 years ago, and published in the British

"Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

...According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold..."
Erm, I live in the UK and whilst there are some exaggerations, he's not that far off. https://theconversation.com/why-snow-days-are-becoming-increasingly-rare-in-the-uk-152038

Also, spring in the UK is almost a month earlier than 40 years ago. https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-k-arrives-a-month-earlier-than-in-the-1980s/ These are not theoretical, it is tangible climate change within our life time.

Environmental sensationalism is not good, I agree. But how else can we get our message across? We've been waiting patiently as rounds and rounds of IPCC are published and nothing really gets done. If we had started the process of decarbonising 2 decades ago, this would have been a gentle and measured transition. It didn't need to be a cliff edge on emissions but our politicians decided that business as usual was the best course.
 

Endymio

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I will make you deal. You answer my point about the number of permits I will talk to you about all these things
I answered your point. I noted that:
a) Biden's rate of permit issuance in 2022 has dropped to almost zero.
b) The oil/gas permit utilization rate is the highest it's been in 40 years. Permit utilization can never reach 100%, for the same reason that employment figures can never reach 100%
c) The raw number of outstanding permits is meaningless, when the Biden Administration has piled so many new regulations on the industry -- and threats of future regulations to come -- that exploiting most of those permits will never be profitable.
d) Candidate Biden swore repeatedly on the campaign trail that he intended to wage open war on the oil and gas industries, and end all production as soon as possible. Now that he's keeping that promise, why do you act surprised?
 

scavengerspc

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A few posts ago, you were claiming that Biden was doing a better job than Trump at boosting oil production -- now you imply we should stop burning it entirely? Which is it?
If you had any comprehension, you would know it's both. One for now. One for later. Let's see if you can figure out which is which.

Biden's rate of permit issuance in 2022 has dropped to almost zero.
So do you think after all those permits he issued he shouldn't have stopped?
I'm curious how much people think we should continue to invest in a dying industry.
The raw number of outstanding permits is meaningless
Actually it's not. Unused drilling rights are not his fault. Use them or quit whining. Personally, if it weren't for people like @AlaskaGuy whose living depends on continued drilling, I wouldn't give a damn if those permits were never renewed and expired.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Such BS.

Trump literally did nothing to help unemployment, the rate was already going down really fast during Obama's administration and Trump rode the wave. The same with the jobs (no he didn't make more jobs, he actually slowed down job creation). He literally took credit for someone else's work. He should say "Thanks Obama".

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In the end all Trump did was isolate the US globally, insult its allies, blackmail Ukraine's president AND benefit from Obama's administration.

Most your "points" are just fantasies.
 
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