California bill may restrict the sale of gas-guzzling lawnmowers and generators in 2024

wiyosaya

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I bought an Ego lawn mower as well, and it’s great. The problem is with larger lawn equipment, the battery powered versions are much more expensive or have lower battery capacities. Fortunately the bill says the phaseout will happen based on feasibility so maybe larger lawn equipment will still be legal for some time (all are pretty much under the 2.5HP requirement from what I saw).

It seems like California wants to subsidize a bunch of lawn electric equipment to make this all possible. They might as well subsidize everything and charge you your entire income for taxes each year 😋 I’m glad I left Commiefornia, I don’t need the government making themselves the solution to everything.
I'm glad you like your Ego. They make some fine equipment, IMO. Far better than battery-powered equipment of 10-years, or so, ago.

However, when I see my neighbors using their leaf blowers to blow one leaf out of their driveway and taking 15-minutes or more to do so, I am tempted to go over there with a broom and show them just how easy it is to do so in perhaps 1-minute with a broom instead of the 15+ it takes some of them to do so with their leaf blower. Its the same thing with the grass cuttings mowing their lawn has left on their driveway.

But, then I think, Naaaa, they won't get it anyway, and probably would come over to my house to ask me to do it for them every time they think that a leaf on their driveway is making their driveway unsightly rather than realizing that its the driveway, itself, that is unsightly.

As I see it, leaf-blowers are for lazy-azz people who think that a leaf blower is making things easy for them rather than contributing to their muscles and brains atrophying. IMO, they have succumbed to yet another marketing ploy by a company making some of the worst pollution spewing machinery in the modern-day. IMO, to use that equipment, you not only need a haz-mat suit, but ear protection, also.

Probably CA has banned the lower-power variants because they are the worst polluting pieces of um equipment :poop: in the category. If CA wants to ban them, I say more power to them. If people won't wise up to what is healthier for them by themselves, and rebel against efforts to keep them healthier, then someone needs to step in and ban the :poop: producers and the equipment being produced, IMO. It would not surprise me in the least if these pollution spewers were found to be as bad as cigarette smoking.
 

antiproduct

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Can we just fire the entire state of CA into the sun already? This is getting out of control.
Tell me how you dropped out of high school without telling me you dropped out of high school. Seriously, I don't think your brain has actually stopped to think about what this is actually about and you just want to bash on the politics of something you don't understand.

Also, worth noting, this will really be a good thing for anyone using gas powered equipment, since they won't be inhaling any potentially dangerous chemicals.
 

wiyosaya

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California will be the first state with no more cut lawns. Finally, everyone's lawn will look the same! No more competing with the neighbors. lol
That would be a good thing for preserving species, IMO. My wife and I do not put any chemicals on our lawn. No pesticides, no weed killers, none of that junk for us. We have a couple of maple trees that drop their leaves every year, and our Ego mower does a great job of mulching the leaves. Those mulched leaves do a great job of fertilizing the lawn, for free.

That said, we do have a crop of dandelions and other little flower like violets and clover that the bees absolutely love. We also get lots of birds poking through our lawn, too. It almost seems like our lawn is an oasis for birds and bees. ;)

Also, our next-door neighbor, I swear, has had their lawn treated about four or five times this year, and I still think our lawn looks better.

Lots of species need a hand these days, bumblebees are in decline, and I don't mind giving those essential pollinators a hand. My wife is talking about making a "Bee Lawn". https://beelab.umn.edu/bee-lawn
 

Mr Majestyk

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Can we just fire the entire state of CA into the sun already? This is getting out of control.

Nah let's start with the Dumbf#ckistan states of Texas, Florida, Alabama, Wisconsin, Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi, North and South Dakota, Arizona. That would be a great start to actually making America less f#cking stupid again.
 

cliffordcooley

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Nah let's start with the Dumbf#ckistan states of Texas, Florida, Alabama, Wisconsin, Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi, North and South Dakota, Arizona.
Nearly everything coming out of California is a luxury that those states can live without or produce themselves. Contrary to what you may think. There is nothing special about California.
 

scavengerspc

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Nah let's start with the Dumbf#ckistan states of Texas, Florida, Alabama, Wisconsin, Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi, North and South Dakota, Arizona. That would be a great start to actually making America less f#cking stupid again.
Never underestimate the willingness of California to be just as "dumb."
They seem to have their own issues. Just in the opposite direction.
 

Markoni35

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Maybe I'm wrong, but seems to me that rest of the USA is eagerly waiting for San Andreas to finally start shaking :)
 

USAvenger

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Tell me how you dropped out of high school without telling me you dropped out of high school. Seriously, I don't think your brain has actually stopped to think about what this is actually about and you just want to bash on the politics of something you don't understand.

Also, worth noting, this will really be a good thing for anyone using gas powered equipment, since they won't be inhaling any potentially dangerous chemicals.

Since you seem to be a subject matter expert, perhaps you should educate instead of denigrate...
 

ZipperBoi

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I'm not in CA, but my wife and I bought an Ego lawnmower about 2-years ago. My wife loves it, and I love it, too. Its very quiet. Ego makes a whole line of Electric yard equipment that is just as capable as gas powered lawn equipment, and there's no smell, besides being quieter than the equivalent gas powered :poop: https://egopowerplus.com/power-mowers/ I believe what the article says about an hour of running a gas-powered leaf blower pollutes as much as driving a new car 1,100 miles.

Maybe we can just fire the smelly, noisy, and unnecessary gas powered lawn equipment into the Sun.
Its a matter of cost, power, longevity. For a nice, small, well manicured lawn, electric would be fine. For some places that only get mowed a few times a year for multiple reasons, with thick grass, weeds, these electric things are going to crap out or straight up not be able to do the job.
 

ZipperBoi

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What's your problem with California? If you are not living there, let them practice what they want. Live and let live. State's rights 101.
What's your problem with California? If you are not living there, let them practice what they want. Live and let live. State's rights 101.
You really dont want me to get into whats wrong with CA, its a very long list and my comment will probably be deleted by the Mods anyway.
 

cliffordcooley

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You really dont want me to get into whats wrong with CA, its a very long list and my comment will probably be deleted by the Mods anyway.
I will list the most annoying. Labels on everything purchased. This product is illegal for use in California. If California wants to make something illegal. They can deal with it within their own state. It should not effect the other states at all. The other states should not be bothered by their stupid policies, not even on printed labels. Next thing you know. We will have labels on our small engines stating they are illegal in California. In fact we already do to an extent when it comes to Catalytic Converters. Pushing their policies across the states is exactly how they treat their politics as well. They think they can do anything with the backing of Hollywood's money and fame.
 

scavengerspc

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They think they can do anything with the backing of Hollywood's money and fame.
In fact they can. Pushing for states rights means ALL states have the right to develop as they please. And with respect to you Cliff, we both live in Arkansas, and we know full well what It's like to live in a place that almost seems to be Anti progress and development.

EDIT - And if I seem schizophrenic on this, it's because while I am a strong backer of states rights, I can also see what goes on and still think its wacky :neutral:
 
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ZipperBoi

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I will list the most annoying. Labels on everything purchased. This product is illegal for use in California. If California wants to make something illegal. They can deal with it within their own state. It should not effect the other states at all. The other states should not be bothered by their stupid policies, not even on printed labels. Next thing you know. We will have labels on our small engines stating they are illegal in California. In fact we already do to an extent when it comes to Catalytic Converters. Pushing their policies across the states is exactly how they treat their politics as well. They think they can do anything with the backing of Hollywood's money and fame.
I will list the most annoying. Labels on everything purchased. This product is illegal for use in California. If California wants to make something illegal. They can deal with it within their own state. It should not effect the other states at all. The other states should not be bothered by their stupid policies, not even on printed labels. Next thing you know. We will have labels on our small engines stating they are illegal in California. In fact we already do to an extent when it comes to Catalytic Converters. Pushing their policies across the states is exactly how they treat their politics as well. They think they can do anything with the backing of Hollywood's money and fame.
That is a very good starting point!
 

ZipperBoi

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Nah let's start with the Dumbf#ckistan states of Texas, Florida, Alabama, Wisconsin, Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi, North and South Dakota, Arizona. That would be a great start to actually making America less f#cking stupid again.
Lol, states where people actually do real work, are self reliant, grow their own food (and most of the countries) hunt, fish? ND (my state) has colleges that top the country in nursing, flight school, ag science. But we're the stupid people? You know nothing about what you talk about and are parroting what CNN tells you to think. It's time to wake up and become your own person. I invite you to visit these places, small towns, and actually talk to the people instead of sitting on your fat *** behind a computer screen with your pink hair pretending you're an intellectual.
 

scavengerspc

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Lol, states where people actually do real work, are self reliant, grow their own food (and most of the countries) hunt, fish? ND (my state) has colleges that top the country in nursing, flight school, ag science. But we're the stupid people? You know nothing about what you talk about and are parroting what CNN tells you to think. It's time to wake up and become your own person. I invite you to visit these places, small towns, and actually talk to the people instead of sitting on your fat *** behind a computer screen with your pink hair pretending you're an intellectual.
Go to the west central part of the state and say that. Or maybe the coastal shore. You won't leave in top operating condition.

Also:
North Dakota ranks 40th (average) in K - 12 education. And higher education tech\trade schools location is determined more by local incentives like any other business.

North Dakota does not grow any more food per capita than any other state.
Your gross State Product is dead last. And your business growth rate is 48th.

North Dakota doesn't have any more hunting or fishing than any other state.

The funny thing is, it's you that "knows nothing about what you talk about."
And you freaking live there! 🤣
 

wiyosaya

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Its a matter of cost, power, longevity. For a nice, small, well manicured lawn, electric would be fine. For some places that only get mowed a few times a year for multiple reasons, with thick grass, weeds, these electric things are going to crap out or straight up not be able to do the job.
I suspect you do not even own one, therefore, your opinion means little.

Perhaps you should have a chat with this guy. https://outdoormoran.com/ego-electric-lawn-mower-reviews/ Incidentally, he sounds like he lives similarly to you.
From this page, here is what he says about one of the Ego models:
Offering the torque of gas without the fumes, mess, or noise, This EGO Power + 21” Self-propelled mower with peak power delivers outstanding power and extended runtime. With up to 80 minutes of cut time, this mower tackles even the toughest of mowing applications on a single-use for all grass types.
Let me see, who would I trust to recommend a mower? You or the guy from the above review? Obviously, the latter - even if I did not own one.
 

scavengerspc

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I suspect you do not even own one, therefore, your opinion means little.

Perhaps you should have a chat with this guy. https://outdoormoran.com/ego-electric-lawn-mower-reviews/ Incidentally, he sounds like he lives similarly to you.
From this page, here is what he says about one of the Ego models:

Let me see, who would I trust to recommend a mower? You or the guy from the above review? Obviously, the latter - even if I did not own one.
I think the irony of it is how much harder it is to bog down an electric in heavy growth. And It's impossible for them to stall!
 

Raytrace3D

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That would be a good thing for preserving species, IMO. My wife and I do not put any chemicals on our lawn. No pesticides, no weed killers, none of that junk for us. We have a couple of maple trees that drop their leaves every year, and our Ego mower does a great job of mulching the leaves. Those mulched leaves do a great job of fertilizing the lawn, for free.
Same. We have a small farm and we avoid any of those chemicals. Nothing wrong with letting the lawn grow. I think people's perceptions of what really matters is sad. Who cares if the lawn has a few dandelions.
 

ZipperBoi

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Go to the west central part of the state and say that. Or maybe the coastal shore. You won't leave in top operating condition.

Also:
North Dakota ranks 40th (average) in K - 12 education. And higher education tech\trade schools location is determined more by local incentives like any other business.

North Dakota does not grow any more food per capita than any other state.
Your gross State Product is dead last. And your business growth rate is 48th.

North Dakota doesn't have any more hunting or fishing than any other state.

The funny thing is, it's you that "knows nothing about what you talk about."
And you freaking live there! 🤣
Where do you get your information, Google and Facebook? ND constantly ranks in the top 10 in production of Corn (10th in 2020, drought year) 2nd in Wheat. Thats MORE than 40 and 48 other states, when taking pure bushel numbers, which is the only thing that matters, not sure what per capita has to do with anything. So you're wrong there. And we barely have a Million people in the state that is mostly rural, do you really expect new business to be popping up? I never said we make the most money, or on the cutting edge of "new business" but that we work on actually what matters, not to mention being the number two state in oil production until pedo Joe took over.

Hunting and Fishing? As far as lakes, Wild Life Management land, wild life numbers, yes, yes we do. You stating that we don't doesn't make it so. You're pulling these things out of your ***. There's a reason we get people from all over the country come here to hunt and fish, I would know I see them all the time, and speak to them when I go home to visit. A lot of them abuse the local hospitality and posted land, but that's neither here nor there.

Iv been to NYC, Orlando, Houston, CA, Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis. Iv seen how things run in these places, and how coastal cities view the world as opposed to rural communities. You haven't. I can back my talk. You're just hot air.
 

ZipperBoi

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I suspect you do not even own one, therefore, your opinion means little.

Perhaps you should have a chat with this guy. https://outdoormoran.com/ego-electric-lawn-mower-reviews/ Incidentally, he sounds like he lives similarly to you.
From this page, here is what he says about one of the Ego models:

Let me see, who would I trust to recommend a mower? You or the guy from the above review? Obviously, the latter - even if I did not own one.
80 Minutes of cut time?! Thats awful. It takes me that time to mow my fairly small lawn by comparison to yards around me. I mowed lots growing up that take 3+ Hours, sometimes 5 with one refill of gas needed. Again, for these smaller applications, great, for large operations with lots of stuff to do...ehhh not so much.
 

scavengerspc

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Where do you get your information, Google and Facebook? ND constantly ranks in the top 10 in production of Corn (10th in 2020, drought year) 2nd in Wheat. Thats MORE than 40 and 48 other states, when taking pure bushel numbers, which is the only thing that matters, not sure what per capita has to do with anything. So you're wrong there. And we barely have a Million people in the state that is mostly rural, do you really expect new business to be popping up? I never said we make the most money, or on the cutting edge of "new business" but that we work on actually what matters, not to mention being the number two state in oil production until pedo Joe took over.

Hunting and Fishing? As far as lakes, Wild Life Management land, wild life numbers, yes, yes we do. You stating that we don't doesn't make it so. You're pulling these things out of your ***. There's a reason we get people from all over the country come here to hunt and fish, I would know I see them all the time, and speak to them when I go home to visit. A lot of them abuse the local hospitality and posted land, but that's neither here nor there.

Iv been to NYC, Orlando, Houston, CA, Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis. Iv seen how things run in these places, and how coastal cities view the world as opposed to rural communities. You haven't. I can back my talk. You're just hot air.
You state raw numbers. Maybe I should have typed "per capita" (or per acre) in inch high red bold letters.

Also, while I do agree with you historically, hunter regulations in the last few years, and then EHD actually caused officials to consider issuing refunds for licenses. And even when considering deer licenses alone, ND started issuing just shy of 70,000 in recent years (deerfriendly.com). I hunted there at Turtle Mt. in 2017, and I think the number of licenses then was half that.

The numbers vary constantly of course but here is a good source of information and the sources are mentioned. And actually paints a slightly brighter picture than I did because I just posted averages of all the sources I used. And just a mention that they do list ND as #15 overall.


EDIT - To fix number of deer permits.
 
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