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Chinese telecommunications hardware is about to be banned by executive order

By Greg S ยท 21 replies
Feb 8, 2019
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  1. Multiple sources speaking with Politico have confirmed that President Trump is ready to issue an executive order that will place a ban on Chinese hardware being using for upgrades of cellular networks. The order is part of a series of announcements leading up to Mobile World Congress designed to showcase what the United States is doing to prevent cyber attacks from being harmful to the nation.

    Huawei has been under great scrutiny in recent times, but remember that ZTE was also heavily put under the microscope not long before. Accusations against the Chinese telecom companies have ranged from theft of trade secrets to violations of trade embargoes. As charges mount against Huawei executives, there is compelling reason to believe that the United States will not be awarding any contracts to Chinese businesses.

    As contracts for the installation of 5G networks are in the works, the White House is looking to send a message that security must not be compromised for the next generation of wireless connectivity. Mobile World Congress will have plenty of shiny new phones to look at, but lest we forget what is needed to make those glass sandwiches usable on a daily basis.

    A spokesman from the National Security Council advised that the U.S. is "working across government and with our allies and like-minded partners to mitigate risk in the deployment of 5G and other communications infrastructure." Should the ban on Chinese networking hardware go into full effect, the statement indicates that there will be great pressure on Europe to follow suit in avoiding the use of Chinese cellular equipment.

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  2. This is probably one of the only things I can agree with this administration on.

    China needs to take the spying down a notch.
     
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  3. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,820   +2,173

    This may be paranoia on my part, but I switched from Spectrum to a data only wireless service. The modem that they gave me is made in China. It has a built-in firewall that I would expect to block any attempts to connect to my network by default through use of stateful connection tracking. However, it does not. It passes crap that it should never pass by default, IMO.

    On spectrum, I had a firewall setup on a Linux PC, so I simply replaced the modem and left the firewall in place. It logs attempts like this to connect to my network, and since I switched, I have noted log entries of attempts to connect to my network from random sites. I have to say that I think it was a wise decision to not rely on the firewall in the modem.

    I am not usually a 45 supporter, however, I support this and any efforts to crack down on IP theft. I cannot speak for anyone else, but for me, the anecdotal evidence is that corruption is a way of life in China.
     
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  4. kevbev89

    kevbev89 TS Maniac Posts: 180   +160

    Hell everybody needs to tone it down.
    Don't forget the NSA and Snowden...
     
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  5. Dimitrios

    Dimitrios TS Guru Posts: 430   +310

    Good, we all know how Hillary and Obama ended up being Millionaires.............. selling our country out and him being a YES man. This is the reason why other countries hate us because Trump puts our country and safety first instead of giving them military access and our resources.

    Good analogy is a parent that spoils their child be giving them free candy and money all the time and god forbid you stop they will lose their minds & have a tantrum.
     
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  6. Sources needed on the "selling our country out and being a YES man" claim.
     
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  7. Dimitrios

    Dimitrios TS Guru Posts: 430   +310

    Use google or ask anyone that works for BOEING or any laid off SIKORSKY worker. There are bits of crumbs from Obama administration and also Obama doing stock manipulation claiming BP oil suffer and be bankrupt from unethical safety actions and lies and BP stock dropped faster that a valley girls panties. You will find out Obama had his hand in the stock market. Don't be an ***** look at the trades Obama did and some were agreements on exotic and expensive gifts some be classed at what Indiana Jones would dream of.

    During Obama's time our military tech slowed down while North Korea and China were catching up. There was evidence of aircraft and submarine information that was "stolen" from America.

    I do give credit for Obama and Hillary for hiding or removing any traces that could lead to them, by far those two were the best liars in America Politics.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2019
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  8. Your feelings are not facts. Sources still needed.
     
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  9. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 2,661   +2,415

    Bear in mind that while Trump's patriotism is certainly above-average for a business tycoon he surrounds himself with people who have no loyalty to anything but wealth. Very few of these courtiers have any plans to actively strengthen the US economy but every one of them has a contingency plan for when it collapses. It usually involves a Swiss villa or walled compound in South America. All the people who schooled Donald Trump on traditional pro-America policies have long since been forced out of his inner circle - the President himself is nearly the only proponent of them left in the White House. These ideas are the sort that traditional Republicans and even some Democrats have been trying to (re-)implement for decades. Those efforts have been consistently thwarted by two dominant groups: first, coporatists who care solely about profits, and second, the globalist-socialists (I.e. communists) who want universal feudalism with themselves as the nobility. Sadly, these ruling elites dominate the upper levels of the public and private sectors. I don't see how anything short of a complete societal breakdown can create the possibility for change and there's almost no chance of that change being for the better. The only thing that might work is a massive campaign of passive resistance, but good luck getting people to rally behind any cause that doesn't appeal to their narcissism.
     
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  10. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,820   +2,173

    So, in other words, you have no evidence, can produce no evidence, and the best you can offer is a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. :facepalm:

    Given your grasp of the English language and your handle, I am inclined to think that your sole aim is to convince everyone reading your post that the current administration is the best that the US has ever had. Some here are at TechSpot are likely willing to believe that what Putin wants is best for America, however, convincing the rest of the TechSpot crowd of that is going to be difficult at best.:laughing:
     
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  11. Palladium1987

    Palladium1987 TS Member Posts: 29   +21

    Oh noes, Huawei gear can't be backdoored by the NSA so let's ban it because of "national security".

    Hypocritical whining crybabies much?
     
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  12. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,820   +2,173

    At some point, someone has got to put a foot down. Sure, the espionage goes both ways, however, from my view of history, it is hard to argue that China is not what they are today due to Nixon normalizing trade relations with them during his administration. A significant amount of wealth and technological knowledge has been funneled from the US into China since those days.

    One could argue that this is a repeat of history as there was a similar relationship between Japan and the US pre WWII https://www.thoughtco.com/the-us-and-japan-before-world-war-ii-3310162 One might argue that that relationship enabled Japan to become an emboldened military power and gave them the capability to wage war against the US which they subsequently did.

    Currently, we are lead to believe that China has been stealing US military secrets. We also know that China has been building up their military. We also believe that China has backdoors that are contained within the products that tech companies ship to the US.

    As I see it, it is hardly foolish or childish to secure those doors. IMO, it would be totally naive to leave those doors open and pretend that it is not a threat. To leave them open would, IMO, be a confirmation that the lessons of history were ignored and to invite, once again, a greater probability that history would repeat itself.

    The US was able to fight its way out of the paper bag it was in before and during WWII, and I would not be surprised if it were able to do the same with future conflicts - providing any such conflict avoids use of nuclear weapons. However, a war would be devastating to any involved. If taking these steps to cut off China's tendency to steal IP heads off any future conflict, it is definitely worth it, IMO.

    If you let someone walk all over you, chances are they will unless they are highly ethical. China is far from highly ethical.
     
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  13. Knot Schure

    Knot Schure TS Addict Posts: 252   +109

    Lord knows it pains me to appear to defend any commie schithole country, but what concerns me most is that ALL countries need to take their illegal citizen-spying down a notch.

    Even the so-called Signal private messenger won't login unless it can connect to US-gov address ranges. This I have 100% proof of. So they are all up to their necks in this spying madness. China even once said 'we have never denied that we monitor all Skype', when questioned on the matter.

    But knowing / working in China, as I do, I wouldn't trust Huawei as far as I could throw them, so yes, a good decision - if implemented.
     
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  14. loki1944

    loki1944 TS Addict Posts: 131   +81

    Outstanding.
     
  15. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,496   +514

    Lol like iphones and droids aren't made in China?
     
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  16. Knot Schure

    Knot Schure TS Addict Posts: 252   +109

    I think you are looking at this issue wrong - it is not that we need nor want to backdoor Huwawei equipment, it is that we know Huawei is the plaything of the Chinese Communist, expansionist, government (note the tears over their jailed exec), and that they have likely done that to the equipment already.

    Take any network running their U2000 Management System (gives a total network-wide control of everything), tons of Chinese in control of that, in the UK, for example. Do you think for a second if Beijing gave an order to monitor, disconnect, redirect, or sabotage, they would ignore it? I don't. There is already evidence of Huawei nodes in the US having traffic redirected through them (when they are out of the best path), which is a huge no-no. Actions like this are for malicious intent only. This is a security nightmare, when your economy is so heavily dependent on its network infrastructure.

    Then there is (likely) the backdoors you speak of. That would help THEM, not us.

    Trump has this right (again), enough said.
     
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  17. Dimitrios

    Dimitrios TS Guru Posts: 430   +310

    Funny how people bash on Trump with no facts but there is proof and well commonsense about Obama and Hillary and people still deny it. You do your homework.

    It amazes me with you people with " let all refugee's and illegals in America " without back round checks and legal process and you people don't bat an eye. My state, CT protects illegals they undocumented students get free financial aid. Every week our news has an illegal of the week on WTNH and we have sanctuary churches that protect illegals and I.C.E has been denied. Come on shouldn't we help our vets and older folks first and hard working LEGAL citizens? You have to admit even if you HATE Trump I have a point on that. Many states like CT and California, citizens are pissed off with the money and resources being spent on illegals. We get many drunk drivers that get protected and most are exposed sooner or later just like that cop that died in California on Xmas and the family found out the state tried hiding and protecting the illegal. Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Come on .................
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019
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  18. JamesSWD

    JamesSWD TS Maniac Posts: 331   +182

    Well..it's evident that you're not well-read, but very misinformed by your Dem & MSM masters. Yeah...keep believing Putin and 'those damn bots & ads' got Trump elected, superchunk.
     
  19. Good lord.

    This is like an entire Sean Hannity episode in one comment.
     
  20. JamesSWD

    JamesSWD TS Maniac Posts: 331   +182

    And he's correct in what he said. You might learn something by listening to reason.
     
  21. That paragraph is nowhere near "reason."

    This guy goes off on tangents in the comment sections all the time. How does immigration and tech news go together? Hint: it doesn't.
     
  22. JamesSWD

    JamesSWD TS Maniac Posts: 331   +182

    We weren't critiquing why he placed it here, but the substance of what he wrote. Pay attention.
     

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