Elon Musk says free speech-hating Apple has stopped advertising on Twitter, threatened...

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dangh

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It would seem then, you would have to move to China to have it effect you..
No. It would be enough if you or your company makes any business with China. Already some people had to apologize after saying that Taiwan is a country - not because they are in China, but because China have leverage to ensure even outside China free speech is limited and penalized.

Anyway, "freedom of speech" is a person's freedom, which ends where other persons' freedom starts. So hate speech and incitement is not part of that freedom. That would be 'anarchy of speech' ;)
 

umbala

Posts: 797   +1,598
People need a viable alternative to Apple and Google OSes/ecosystems. I think Musk is the only one with enough money and balls to build one. Perhaps a Teslaphone running TeslaOS and a Tesla App Store... 😀
Never going to happen. Musk is just a blowhard who got lucky in life, that's all. He doesn't build or make anything, he just takes credit for other people's work, but it's not going to work this time.
 

MakeMSGreatAgain

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I wouldn't really consider Apple a platform for a discussion forum. Maybe if he were going after Google and Youtube this would make sense, because they very clearly don't care for free speech. But Apple? I think Musk is barking up the wrong tree here. Go cut down Google... Apple at least pretends to care about their users' privacy (lol).
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,285   +8,432
No. It would be enough if you or your company makes any business with China. Already some people had to apologize after saying that Taiwan is a country - not because they are in China, but because China have leverage to ensure even outside China free speech is limited and penalized.
Perhaps, but the only issue on the table is specific to whether or not Taiwan is its own country. That's an argument that's been going on for decades. Even POTUS had to clarify the US "one country policy", toward China. (Right after he said, "we'd defend Taiwan to the death if China invaded").

But then again, any advertiser would have to take up that issue while trying to sell their product. That's a "fool's errand". For example, what if Gillette advertised, "Right Guard",as "only a deodorant for Republicans".

Corporate advertising should be "apolitical", for best results.

So,again, if Musk is able to separate his free speech doctrine, from his dealings with China. You may be able to go on Twitter and spout on about, "how repressive China is", but he can't. That's just business, not politics.

If Musk were to censor you for speaking out about China, that would make him a hypocrite, and your wallet lighter by 8 bucks a month, for naught. .
 
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m4a4

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It would seem then, you would have to move to China to have it effect you..

Meanwhile, I of course, should be agreeing with you. You've already proven I don't have, "freedom of speech", if I don't.

You'll have to forgive for the "My Pillow Guy", nonsense. I just got back from reading CBS's "fake news".

BTW, are "world politics" or the CCP's censorship off topic, or not?

Before I forget, it's not your money that will be lost,now is it?

To get directly back on topic, how would you feel if the local supermarket sued you for not shopping there? That's pretty much what Musk is trying to do. In reality, he's just running his yap for attention and publicity.
Or, I would have to have substantial manufacturing in China for it to affect me like it would Apple/Musk....

Musk isn't suing anyone, and it's not even close to being comparable to a supermarket and a single customer. Your analogy doesn't make sense.

This is a trillion dollar corporation trying to throw it's weight around (without looking too political). And keep in mind that pretty much all apps installed on phones these days are controlled by Apple and Google.
 

Crabjuice

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What should be terrifying you is that apple has enough market control to say "you allow mean things, your apps is not allowed to exist"

I don't find that terrifying at all. No one is under any obligation to make my app or anyone else's app available on their platform. We all got along just fine when no one had a cell phone. I am sure life will go on just fine if Twitter's app isn't on Apple's platform. It's not the only way to access Twitter after all...
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 8,410   +7,845
Never going to happen. Musk is just a blowhard who got lucky in life, that's all. He doesn't build or make anything, he just takes credit for other people's work, but it's not going to work this time.
Agreed. His current actions are working against him, however, he seems unable to understand this, and that is exemplified by him blaming others for his actions.
 

Ohnooze

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Why would Apple care about Twitter having moderation? I don't remember Apple saying anything when it came out that Twitter crushed a true story about Hunter Biden. Truth....who needs it I guess....
It's not like people are forced to use Twitter. If you find it to be toxic then stay away from it, it's just that simple. No reason for Apple to jump in and try to look like the political correctness hero.
I didn't think it was possible but it makes me hate Apple even more than I already do.
 

Ohnooze

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You don't want to advertise on Musk's dumpster fire platform? Well, you must hate free speech then!
Pulling advertising is one thing...not allowing a Twitter app because people are free to speak their mind is a whole different thing. As long as the left leaning green haired weirdos are running Twitter, silencing conservative views and deleting true stories that would make democrats' look bad there are no problems or complaints. But holy **** take the weirdos away and all hell breaks loose because.....people might be free to have their own thoughts and share them. We just don't want that at all....hive mind for the win!
The world's most valuable brand doesn't want to advertise on a site that allows racial slurs? Shocking!
Is that even true? I don't use twitter but I would be curious to know what is and is not allowed now.
 

Ludak021

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Never going to happen. Musk is just a blowhard who got lucky in life, that's all. He doesn't build or make anything, he just takes credit for other people's work, but it's not going to work this time.

You mean, Musk does what Steve Jobs did when "he" "created" the iPhone?!
 

umbala

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You mean, Musk does what Steve Jobs did when "he" "created" the iPhone?!
I'm not interested in your straw man argument. I don't care about Apple, iPhones, or Steve Jobs (I do not own any Apple products) so your pointless reference is falling on deaf ears. My point was that Musk is just a clown who fell *** backwards into money and now makes a LOT of noise, but actually has zero talent for anything and rarely ever follows through on any threats/promises. The only reason he even bought Twitter was because he couldn't find a way to weasel out of it like he usually does.
 

umbala

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Pulling advertising is one thing...not allowing a Twitter app because people are free to speak their mind is a whole different thing. As long as the left leaning green haired weirdos are running Twitter, silencing conservative views and deleting true stories that would make democrats' look bad there are no problems or complaints. But holy **** take the weirdos away and all hell breaks loose because.....people might be free to have their own thoughts and share them. We just don't want that at all....hive mind for the win!

Is that even true? I don't use twitter but I would be curious to know what is and is not allowed now.
All you're doing is regurgitating the baseless propaganda you watch on Fox News everyday. Oh boo-hoo, poor conservatives are getting silences all over the internet. All the "left leaning green haired weirdos" (whoever those are) are out to get you and Musk is your digital savior that will bring back free speech! This is akin to Trump bringing back Christmas, because apparently the liberals stole Christmas before Trump took office.

Considering how much whining conservatives are doing about being silenced on the internet that's all you see on every message board and social media platform. How is that we see that everywhere if they're being silenced like you say?

What is "free speech" to you exactly? You people throw that phrase around when your lies, propaganda, bullying, and hate speech get deleted. That's what this is about, right? You want to be able to spread your vile lies and soak the whole internet in it without any accountability, because hey it's free speech!
 

umbala

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Why would Apple care about Twitter having moderation? I don't remember Apple saying anything when it came out that Twitter crushed a true story about Hunter Biden. Truth....who needs it I guess....
It's not like people are forced to use Twitter. If you find it to be toxic then stay away from it, it's just that simple. No reason for Apple to jump in and try to look like the political correctness hero.
I didn't think it was possible but it makes me hate Apple even more than I already do.
You people are hilarious. Musk owns Twitter and it's a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. On the other hand, Apple can't do whatever they want. They must keep paying Musk's dumpster fire ad dollars and they're not allowed to remove Twitter from their app store, right? Guess what genius, Apple can remove any app for any reason (or no reason at all) at any time. PERIOD. I don't generally like Apple and don't own a single Apple product, but on this matter I agree with them 100%. Musk wants to turn Twitter into a free-for-all hate platform? That's great, but they wont' be getting any advertising dollars from big players like Apple or be welcomed on any mobile platform.
 

OneSpeed

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Of course Apple isn't going to take free speech seriously, they have the bulk of their best factories in China (and have a lot to lose). They've already shown that they don't care about anything else but making their shareholders happy, and appearing to be the good guys (with their effective PR).

Heck, I'm still not convinced Musk is fully on board with free speech, considering Tesla also has factories in China...
How about hate-speech?
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 3,956   +6,998
Why would Apple care about Twitter having moderation? I don't remember Apple saying anything when it came out that Twitter crushed a true story about Hunter Biden. Truth....who needs it I guess....
It's not like people are forced to use Twitter. If you find it to be toxic then stay away from it, it's just that simple. No reason for Apple to jump in and try to look like the political correctness hero.
I didn't think it was possible but it makes me hate Apple even more than I already do.
It's simple, twitter was OK when only the "right people" were targeted, harassed, doxed, or silenced. Now that those on "the right sid eof history" can be criticized, it must be shut down NOW NOW NOW!

Blatant nepotistic corruption at every conceivable level.
All you're doing is regurgitating the baseless propaganda you watch on Fox News everyday. Oh boo-hoo, poor conservatives are getting silences all over the internet. All the "left leaning green haired weirdos" (whoever those are) are out to get you and Musk is your digital savior that will bring back free speech! This is akin to Trump bringing back Christmas, because apparently the liberals stole Christmas before Trump took office.

Considering how much whining conservatives are doing about being silenced on the internet that's all you see on every message board and social media platform. How is that we see that everywhere if they're being silenced like you say?

Projection, bud. Learn what it is and avoid doing it, you're blaring harder then an ambulance siren " LOOK GUYS I SUPPORT THE CURRENT THING". You willingly turn a blind eye to the bully, lies, propaganda, and hate speech that the left spewed on twitter daily, and so did apple. Now that both sides can do it its suddenly "an issue".
What is "free speech" to you exactly? You people throw that phrase around when your lies, propaganda, bullying, and hate speech get deleted. That's what this is about, right? You want to be able to spread your vile lies and soak the whole internet in it without any accountability, because hey it's free speech!
Being able to criticize ideas and people without being silenced, deplatformed, and threatened. It's not that hard to understand.
The world's most valuable brand doesn't want to advertise on a site that allows racial slurs? Shocking!
Why wasnt it an issue when twitter addicts where hurling slurs at dave chapelle, a Black man? Why is it only an issue now that musk says people shouldnt be banned for wrongthink?
 

toooooot

Posts: 1,827   +983
Old twitter counted anyone they did not agree with as hateful, radical etc.
It has became hateful cult long ago itself.
What happened to twitter is the best thing
for normal and good people.

 

pmshah

Posts: 196   +49
Elon need not worry. People's love for Twitter is far greater than crApple products. The end users would rather switch to Android than give uptheir access to Twitter. I just wish my account gets "un-suspended" from exercising "free speech" by simply quoting a Nazi historical fact during Hitler's reign.
 

PEnnn

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Pulling advertising is one thing...not allowing a Twitter app because people are free to speak their mind is a whole different thing. As long as the left leaning green haired weirdos are running Twitter, silencing conservative views and deleting true stories that would make democrats' look bad there are no problems or complaints. But holy **** take the weirdos away and all hell breaks loose because.....people might be free to have their own thoughts and share them. We just don't want that at all....hive mind for the win!

Is that even true? I don't use twitter but I would be curious to know what is and is not allowed now.

Dang!! The poor victimized conservatives can't get a break anymore!

Despite Trump's Unsocial Untruths, the Fox Noise septic tank and dozens of other hot-air outlets peddling hoaxes and lies 24/7.... yet they're still upset over Twitter banning whatever they want to ban, especially seditious lies, vaccine and election hoaxes!!

Why don't those poor innocent souls take it to their friends at the Supreme Court?? Maybe because they'll be laughed out of town, again and for the nth time???
 
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