Facebook, Netflix, and Google to make vaccinations mandatory for personnel

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NightAntilli

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The dangers of this is enormous. This isn't any different than creating a high vs low class, or, more accurately, a segregated hated class, like what happened in WWII.

But the ones that don't know/understand history are bound to repeat it.

I know this will be incredibly hard to comprehend for Americans, but there are very few things in which the benefit of the overall population should overwrite personal freedom. Public health hazards to others is probably one of the most definitive cases for it and guess what this is? Exactly that: a public health risk to allow unvaccinated people into public spaces and even some private ones with large concentrations of people like offices.
People that die in car accidents yearly are way higher than the ones that died from COVID. I guess in the interest of public safety and public health hazards, it is a risk for people to be allowed to drive cars.

See how that works?
 

Avro Arrow

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Really it's not legal, but they are loopholes. This is the problem society is creating now a days. The vaccine is just creating a division between everyone, now you are either good or bad to society depending on your status of vaccination. It's sad this is what the country is becoming for years now.
I agree. It was so much better when people knew what was important. Back when the vaccine for smallpox was introduced, it was praised as a miracle. Same with the vaccine for measles and polio. They were right of course and humanity as a whole benefitted greatly from huge mass-vaccinations against those three diseases.

The problem is the fools who refuse to look at the big picture of what vaccines have done for humanity. The outcome of every vaccination program or campaign has been extremely positive.

I have a serious problem with people whose willful ignorance causes the deaths of innocents and creates things like the Δ variant. Maybe that's a personal failing on my part but I really don't think so.

I did my part to save lives (including my own), to not be a biological threat to others by leaving myself open to become some virus' evolution chamber. It's time that they smarten up and do the same.

I can assure you that the virus of misinformation, while perhaps concentrated in the USA, is by no means limited to it.
 

Theinsanegamer

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It's about FiretrUCKing time! Those apes who aren't vaccinated are posing a real and serious public health threat to EVERYONE!

This is how the Δ variant came to be in the first damn place! If people weren't such imbiciles, there would be no Δ strain because the virus wouldn't be able to mutate in someone who was vaccinated!

I'm really glad that people weren't this stupid back when vaccines for smallpox, measles and polio were developed. I have no issue with what people do with their bodies but if what they're doing is a direct threat to the lives of others, that's where their rights end.

That's why you can't drive past a school at 100km/h and why restaurant workers are required to wash their hands at work. Workplaces have always been allowed to mandate their workers to have a good level of personal hygiene.

These days, being vaccinated has become an important part of personal hygiene and if you don't do it, other people have the right to tell you to get lost. Too many people have died because of people whining about their "rights" just because they think that Ben Shapiro isn't one of the worst people on the planet.

If anyone has a problem with this, then they should have no issue with a coworker rolling around in $hit every morning instead of taking a shower. After all, it's THEIR right to smell terrible and threaten your health with dangerous pathogens, eh?

Sorry for the rant, it just really grinds my gears how so many people refuse to understand the severity of our situation.
Why so mad? As long as you wear a mask you're perfectly safe!
The argument that the vaccine is not FDA approved will not hold forever. The vaccines will be FDA approved at some point.

Perhaps you should take a look at the link I posted in one of my prior posts which clearly states that an employer is required to make accommodations for those who are not vaccinated - and those accommodations can include that the unvaccinated wear a mask or work from home.

While I agree that people should do their own risk assessment, however, people cannot be allowed to put others at risk. The risk to others, as well as themselves, is, by far, not zero.
OK, and once it's approved through regular channels you can mandate it. But until then, you are still setting the precedence of an unapproved substance being forced upon you.

There's plenty of evidence over the years of medicals companies rushing a new drug or therapy to market only for it to harm people down the line. Wondering if this vaccine being rushed through may have some long term effects is not denying science nor unreasonable given what we know of the medical industry.
 

NightAntilli

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Yes, that argument is called a red-herring.
You sure love to throw accusation of fallacies around without understanding them.
That is not a red herring. That is called an analogy.

Even if your argument were correct.
Correlation =/= causation.

Red flag 1
From footnotes;
[1] Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1.

Red Flag 2
Deaths from only pneumonia is higher than the deaths from Pneumonia and COVID-19.

Red Flag 3
Take a look here, and scroll down to the tables;

Look at the mortality rates of influenza. That does not square with your link.

Something is not right. There is no guarantee that influenza has not been repeatedly mischaracterized as covid and therefore underreported, especially based on the footnote that sometimes covid is presumed. Looking at the data, it's pretty much a guarantee that influenza deaths are being characterized as covid deaths.
 

wiyosaya

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Why so mad? As long as you wear a mask you're perfectly safe!
OK, and once it's approved through regular channels you can mandate it. But until then, you are still setting the precedence of an unapproved substance being forced upon you.

There's plenty of evidence over the years of medicals companies rushing a new drug or therapy to market only for it to harm people down the line. Wondering if this vaccine being rushed through may have some long term effects is not denying science nor unreasonable given what we know of the medical industry.
No one is forcing the vaccine on anyone in the US, but some just do not seem to get that.

Believe what you choose. Remember, if you repeat a lie long enough, you, yourself, will eventually even believe it.
 

wiyosaya

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You sure love to throw accusation of fallacies around without understanding them.
That is not a red herring. That is called an analogy.


Correlation =/= causation.

Red flag 1
From footnotes;
[1] Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1.

Red Flag 2
Deaths from only pneumonia is higher than the deaths from Pneumonia and COVID-19.

Red Flag 3
Take a look here, and scroll down to the tables;

Look at the mortality rates of influenza. That does not square with your link.

Something is not right. There is no guarantee that influenza has not been repeatedly mischaracterized as covid and therefore underreported, especially based on the footnote that sometimes covid is presumed. Looking at the data, it's pretty much a guarantee that influenza deaths are being characterized as covid deaths.
What is your argument adding to the discussion? Are you advocating that we vaccinate people against dying in car accidents?

I am well aware of the controversy surrounding the mis-classificaiton of COVID deaths. Without actually being there and understanding the total circumstances that went into the death classification, no one, including myself or you, can say for sure, and all we have to rely on is information published by places like the CDC. And like it or not, official statistics are the only thing that we have to rely on. So keep arguing that there are misclassifications of COVID deaths. The point is, the official death count from COVID is far higher than official death counts, on a yearly basis, from car accidents.

Since your argument that more people die in car accidents yearly than have died from COVID does not clarify the issue, I'd say that your argument does not meet the definition of an analogy.

Have it your way, though.
 

Dimitriid

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What is your argument adding to the discussion? Are you advocating that we vaccinate people against dying in car accidents?

I am well aware of the controversy surrounding the mis-classificaiton of COVID deaths. Without actually being there and understanding the total circumstances that went into the death classification, no one, including myself or you, can say for sure, and all we have to rely on is information published by places like the CDC. And like it or not, official statistics are the only thing that we have to rely on. So keep arguing that there are misclassifications of COVID deaths. The point is, the official death count from COVID is far higher than official death counts, on a yearly basis, from car accidents.

Since your argument that more people die in car accidents yearly than have died from COVID does not clarify the issue, I'd say that your argument does not meet the definition of an analogy.

Have it your way, though.
I cannot speak to everywhere but I know that at least on my city and among some friends and relatives, at some point this was a concern "They're not really checking if they *truly* died of Covid!"

However and this is key, most of those arguments quickly went away once that we saw the news that all our hospitals in a city with 5.3 million in population, where at 100% capacity with dozens of new patients with significant symtoms being reported everyday.

New hospitals and facilities where quickly put into service to deal with the contingency but there was a significant delay in other, very urgent care for cases so you better not need "programmed" or "non-essential" surgery because you'll be nursing your broken legs on your own for months before there's even a chance for a hospital bed and OR to become available for those procedures.

So this all reinforces your point: why would we need to worry so damn much about controversial methods for quantifying the effects of the virus on public health if we have people dying on hospital corridors that couldn't get to a respirator in time to save their lives because they're all at max capacity?

Wear a damn mask, take the damn shot. Yes even if there's risk about government bio chips or whatever it is, the needs of the general population should outweight these damn disputes about what should be considered a technicality during a global pandemic.
 
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UltraModernGuy

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The dangers of this is enormous. This isn't any different than creating a high vs low class, or, more accurately, a segregated hated class, like what happened in WWII.

But the ones that don't know/understand history are bound to repeat it.


People that die in car accidents yearly are way higher than the ones that died from COVID. I guess in the interest of public safety and public health hazards, it is a risk for people to be allowed to drive cars.

See how that works?
Except that the car accident didn't invisibly spread to an entire populous.
 

UltraModernGuy

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If your employer is forcing you to be vaccinated, to parrot what I always hear from conservatives, no one is forcing you to work there. Get a different job.

To the Anti-Vaxxers, this is how you sound to the rest of us:
"I once almost choked to death while eating food. I did my own research and discovered that I am not alone. Thousands of people choke every year while eating, and hundreds of those people die. That's why I don't feed my kids. It's dangerous. Now plenty of people will point out that food supposedly "prevents starvation", and that might be true, but it's not fair to completely ignore all the dangers food poses, like choking, allergies, gingivitis, and garlic breath. I'm just saying, do your own research and decide what you think is best for your kids. If you choose to give your kids potentially deadly food, that's your problem. But as a parent, I don't think the government has any right to tell me that I need to feed my kids."
 

Avro Arrow

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I'm not American but Polish :joy:
If that's the case, I completely understand where you're coming from. The Polska people have suffered more at the hands of totalitarian regimes than anyone else in Europe during the 20th century. Your people were slaughtered by both Hitler and Stalin so it's no wonder that you've adopted a very individualistic and freedom-centric philosophy. I find it sickeningly offensive that human beings could do such things to each other but it's completely different when it hits as close to home as it does for you.

I have many Polish friends and some have told me stories of what happened in Poland during WWII and during the time of the Warsaw Pact, horrific stories that I will never be able to "un-hear". Some of them were very pro-capitalist/individualist because of how things were under the Warsaw Pact.

You have seen so many atrocities that were carried out by those who called themselves "socialists" that you probably recoil at the very mention of the word. In the last 100 years, your history has been one of corrupt governments starving and otherwise killing their citizens simply because they felt like it. I don't blame you one bit for being suspicious of any government that forces you to do something because the Nazis and Soviets often forced people to do terrible things to themselves (and others) in the name of "the greater good". Nobody has earned the right to hate and fear powerful governments more than you.

The important thing to remember is that not everything is so black-and-white. Are there terrible governments in the world? Of course there are, in fact, I would say that the vast majority of them are. I would never insult your intelligence by even suggesting otherwise. However, there are also governments who aren't only in power to rape and pillage their own people. I guess that growing up in Canada instilled me with trust in government because, for the most part, our government has always served and protected us. I do realise that this is a luxury that your people have never really had, something that you might not even fully believe exists.

From your point-of-view, slavery is caused by the public sector while from my point-of-view, slavery is caused by the private sector. The truth is probably a case-by-case basis since most things to do with people are like that. The key to having our eyes opened is when we see something that is truly altruistic and then look at who is doing it and analyse their motives. Money is the root of all evil and if their driving force is money, then they aren't being altruistic. If a corporation does something good and has nothing to gain from it, THAT is when I become impressed.

Consider the four Western vaccines for a moment. All of the American producers are profiteering from this pandemic. J&J, Pfizer and Moderna are all raking in record profits because of how desperate people have become. Those who support capitalism blindly say "That's how capitalism is supposed to work. They've found a profitable niche and are filling it." which is 100% correct, that IS how capitalism works. However, what they forget is that capitalism is monetarily wealthy but is morally bankrupt.

The UK and Sweden are two countries that are universally admired around the world. Not for their wealth, but for their moral durability. AstraZeneca worked with Oxford University (one of the most admired educational institutions in history) to create their vaccine and have sworn NOT to profit from it during the pandemic. To me, THAT is impressive and it shows that the only thing that stopped J&J, Pfizer and Moderna was capitalistic greed.

The narrative that the Americans have pushed is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is less effective and while the infection numbers for AstraZeneca are higher, their trial was done at a time when the pandemic was more in full-force and so the increased infection rate of the population that already existed when their trials were performed could have easily accounted for the "percentage of protection" difference. After all, you can't catch something as easily when far fewer people around you have it.

When it became clear that ALL vaccines were 100% effective in preventing death from Sars-CoV-2 with only one dose, the corporate media narrative interestingly switched in a different direction. Now, the AstraZeneca vaccine was to be considered "dangerous" because of a somewhat higher risk of a rare and potentially fatal blood-clotting disorder (HIT) that appeared in some AstraZeneca and J&J receivers.

A narrative was driven that the AstraZeneca vaccine would definitely give you HIT and you would die of blood clots. The truth is that by March 22, out of 25,000,000 AstraZeneca-vaccinated people in Europe, only 86 people had contracted HIT, which puts the risk at 0.000344%, a number that should only frighten the most cowardly and/or phobic people in the world. While there surely is correlation, there hasn't been any hard evidence of causation:
"Health authorities in the UK and Europe have confirmed a possible link between the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine and a small number of blood clot cases, but are yet to establish a definite causal relation."

If the Anti-Vaxxer Dirty Dozen were so interested in the truth and protecting people, why have they not even considered these numbers? This information was right there for the taking since April but they chose to ignore it. These people are clearly not arguing in good faith and when one side argues in bad faith, it makes the whole discussion/debate a complete waste of time because no good will ever come of it. That these 12 people would tell these lies that are against the well-being of humanity makes them one of two things, stupid or evil. Since stupid people wouldn't be capable of what these 12 people have achieved, it is obvious that the latter must be true. These "people" have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide.

I assure you my friend, this is not some tyrannical government plot to kill people or take over their minds. It is for the protection of our species and if not enough people show enough good judgement to get vaccinated, then they will have to be compelled. It is possible that this will evolve into a "superbug" and if that were to happen, it would be a bigger threat than smallpox and HIV combined. I have no problem with taking away the rights of people who clearly don't understand that they don't have the right to let their ignorance threaten our species as a whole. All the deaths that have already occurred hasn't even given them pause. This is a clear signal that nothing will.
 

wiyosaya

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It's not legal. Unfortunately the courts have shown they're totally controlled by Leftists.
Latest conspiracy theory arrives. :heart_eyes: The evil leftists are impinging on everyone's freedumb. :facepalm: There are those on the right that would like you to think that they produced the vaccine in record time. And yet the righties pretending to make mighties get no credit? I'm disappointed. :(
 

Avro Arrow

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Why so mad? As long as you wear a mask you're perfectly safe!
The mask I wear doesn't protect me from others, it protects others from me. The doofuses who don't believe in getting the vaccine tend to not believe in masks either which makes them even more dangerous.
OK, and once it's approved through regular channels you can mandate it. But until then, you are still setting the precedence of an unapproved substance being forced upon you.

There's plenty of evidence over the years of medicals companies rushing a new drug or therapy to market only for it to harm people down the line.
It would seem that way but the thing most people don't realise is that the amount of time for a drug to be approved isn't based on how long it takes to test it but how long it takes a government to get off of its lazy butt and (God Forbid!) actually do something! The waiting period that a lot of these drugs have to deal with is because of the glacial pace at which most government bureaucracies move. In this case, they had no choice. Also, comparing a new vaccine to a new drug is a false equivalency because vaccines are supposed to be made of primarily inert material while a drug is the exact opposite of inert. Vaccines are by far the safest medications in existence.
Wondering if this vaccine being rushed through may have some long term effects is not denying science nor unreasonable given what we know of the medical industry.
Wondering is all fine and well but there's nothing in them that is known to be harmful to humans. In fact, despite all of this, the connection between HIT blood clots and COVID-19 vaccines has actually not been proven yet. Most people don't know that, they just accept it as fact that the vaccine is to blame when it's very possible that the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 

Avro Arrow

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Latest conspiracy theory arrives. :heart_eyes: The evil leftists are impinging on everyone's freedumb. :facepalm: There are those on the right that would like you to think that they produced the vaccine in record time. And yet the righties pretending to make mighties get no credit? I'm disappointed. :(
Well, he IS kinda correct. Courts make decisions based on provable fact and solid evidence. That does seem to be congruent with how the left thinks and completely at odds with how the right thinks.

Like most right-wingnuts, he doesn't understand the difference between "leftist" and "person who thinks truth actually matters". Could you imagine how he would run a court? You'd be found guilty or innocent based on whether or not your actions were committed in an attempt to "Own the libs". Crazy, eh?

Just put them on iggy like I did. Make your existence better by denying theirs. Believe me, it works! :laughing:
 

UltraModernGuy

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It's not legal. Unfortunately the courts have shown they're totally controlled by Leftists.
Lol, if you think the courts are controlled by Leftists, I am going to assume you don't know what the definition of a leftist is. Let me guess, you hate 'commies' but can't actually come up with a working definition of what communism is. I can send you some links to read up on Politics 101 if you wish.
 

defaultluser

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Is that even legal? How can your employer force you to put something in your body?.....

By saying this:

1. You can only work here at the main location if you have a vaccine passport,or a certified medical exception.

2. Remote workers like you are a dime-a-dozen, and you should understand that we will fire you at the first major mistake you make, so we can replace you with someone vaccinated.

It's really that ****ing simple.

I think this is a great first step towards getting this damn outbreak under control; at this point everyone who ACTUALLY WANTED a vaccine has had it for over a month (no excuse for MOST of the remaining holdouts, since yiu can now get same-day vac appointments)
 
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wiyosaya

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You'd be found guilty or innocent based on whether or not your actions were committed in an attempt to "Own the libs". Crazy, eh?
Yes, and if you were president, you would expect your supreme court nominee to abandon the law for you because you nominated them. :rolleyes:
Just put them on iggy like I did. Make your existence better by denying theirs. Believe me, it works! :laughing:
But, that would take the fun out of it. ;)
 

wiyosaya

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By saying this:

1. You can only work here at the main location if you have a vaccine passport.

2. Remote workers like you are a dime a dozen, and you should understand that we will fire you at the first major mistake you make, so we can replace you with someone vaccinated.

It's really that ****ing simple.
And they, the companies, that is, would open themselves up to money hungry lawyers filing class action suits against them because they would be clearly skirting legal guidance from the EEOC. The companies have to provide "reasonable accommodations" for those who have not taken the vaccine.

No, the sky is not falling.
 

TheBigFatClown

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While I would expect a lot of push back from anti-vaxxers, there doesn't seems to be as many around. I guess something my be culling their numbers, imagine that.

Yep, we're all dying off really quickly. As if the visitors of this website we're somehow supposed to be a true representation of antivaxxers. Soon, all the antivaxxers will be dead because we have no protection from vaccines and the world will be full of only highly intelligent people who obeyed everything the 1 scientist in the White House, who has been there all his life, told them to believe. Oh, and the highly sharp and quick witted Joe Biden.

Why mandate vaccines if the people who have been VaXeD are safe? Let us stupid people die.

It's a win-win situation for everybody!
 

Dimitriid

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Why mandate vaccines if the people who have been VaXeD are safe? Let us stupid people die.
If only it was that easy: you seem to forget that even with vaccination, you're taking a lot of people down with you by spreading the disease to people that have no other option to survive but to be service workers and such.

But thanks for pointing yourself out, I know just what to do, don't bother replying.
 

defaultluser

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Yep, we're all dying off really quickly. As if the visitors of this website we're somehow supposed to be a true representation of antivaxxers. Soon, all the antivaxxers will be dead because we have no protection from vaccines and the world will be full of only highly intelligent people who obeyed everything the 1 scientist in the White House, who has been there all his life, told them to believe. Oh, and the highly sharp and quick witted Joe Biden.

Why mandate vaccines if the people who have been VaXeD are safe? Let us stupid people die.

Unfortunately, the new variant still only kills a handful of the infected (but those *******s are happy to take up hospital bed for their second / third infection, proudly being an anti-death badass.)

Until we have something with the mortality rate of Polio make a comeback, these self-proclaimed Disease Badasses (TM) will not be moved from their Vaxless Parade...you WILL lose eventually, but it's such a low number, these folks ignore it.

The reason why Employers care is because they have to coordinate thousands of people working on lots of different projects (so one infection could shut down an entire division, while 100+ people isolate themselves)

Vaccination means the chances of these breakthroughs happening go WAY down, and also give you other alternatives to complete isolation to mitigate further spread (just mask wearing and increased social distancing over those two weeks will be enough)
 
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wiyosaya

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