Facebook, Netflix, and Google to make vaccinations mandatory for personnel

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Tantor

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I cannot speak to everywhere but I know that at least on my city and among some friends and relatives, at some point this was a concern "They're not really checking if they *truly* died of Covid!"

However and this is key, most of those arguments quickly went away once that we saw the news that all our hospitals in a city with 5.3 million in population, where at 100% capacity with dozens of new patients with significant symtoms being reported everyday.

Not quite true. Those arguments did not go away. PCR tests are very inaccurate when run at high cycles, which seems to be the case in the US and Europe. https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests. So it's entirely legitimate to question the official figures.

100% hospital bed usage doesn't mean they're overloaded. https://www.whatyourbossthinks.com/...ital-occupancy-rate-how-beds-increase-profit/

In our county of 225,000, we have had 9000 cases and 125 deaths. So cases are 4% and deaths are 0.06%. Nobody in my social circle knows anyone who died or was even seriously ill. I know of only one person who even got corona. That was my mom. She had sniffles and was over it in a couple of days.

By the way, US covid death rates are at the lowest levels in a year and a half.

https://fee.org/articles/despite-de...2020-harvard-and-stanford-professors-explain/

 

Tantor

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If your employer is forcing you to be vaccinated, to parrot what I always hear from conservatives, no one is forcing you to work there. Get a different job.

To the Anti-Vaxxers, this is how you sound to the rest of us:
"I once almost choked to death while eating food. I did my own research and discovered that I am not alone. Thousands of people choke every year while eating, and hundreds of those people die. That's why I don't feed my kids. It's dangerous. Now plenty of people will point out that food supposedly "prevents starvation", and that might be true, but it's not fair to completely ignore all the dangers food poses, like choking, allergies, gingivitis, and garlic breath. I'm just saying, do your own research and decide what you think is best for your kids. If you choose to give your kids potentially deadly food, that's your problem. But as a parent, I don't think the government has any right to tell me that I need to feed my kids."

And here's how you sound.

"The vaccine is 100% effective. I got the vaccine, I'm immune. Oops, those Trump followers refuse the vaccine, they might infect me and kill me."

LOL, it doesn't get any more illogical than that.

By the way, your 'save the children' argument is irrelevant. Children are almost immune to covid.

 

Avro Arrow

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Yep, we're all dying off really quickly. As if the visitors of this website we're somehow supposed to be a true representation of antivaxxers. Soon, all the antivaxxers will be dead because we have no protection from vaccines and the world will be full of only highly intelligent people who obeyed everything the 1 scientist in the White House, who has been there all his life, told them to believe. Oh, and the highly sharp and quick witted Joe Biden.

Why mandate vaccines if the people who have been VaXeD are safe? Let us stupid people die.

It's a win-win situation for everybody!
The problem is that unvaxxed fools become evolution chambers for the virus which could mutate into something that renders all extant vaccines moot. Where do you think that the Δ variant (as well as all of the others) came from?

I really do wish that it were as simple as you say.
 

Tantor

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I do too and I've told them straight to their faces, in no uncertain terms, just how "intelligent" I think they are. I also told them, in no uncertain terms, that until they grow a brain and get the shot, they are to stay the hell away from me.

I'm sick of this garbage. It has gone on way too long and it's time to hold these "stable geniuses" accountable for their (lack of) actions.

You appear deeply confused. If the vaccine works then you're immune. The very fact that you want the unvaccinated to stay away shows that you don't believe the vaccine works.

You can't have it both ways.
 

TheBigFatClown

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You appear deeply confused. If the vaccine works then you're immune. The very fact that you want the unvaccinated to stay away shows that you don't believe the vaccine works.

You can't have it both ways.
I gotta argue with these vaccine zealots 24/7/365 everywhere on the Internet. Thanks for picking up a bit of slack. I'm so tired of their silly psuedo-science bu115h1t. Everytime we present a logical reason that the vaccines are not needed for everybody, they conjure up some new wacky idea that makes it a must. In other words, all roads leads to a vaccine no matter what logical argument is presented. #&$^ the science. GO GET JABBED, oh, and HURRY!

Wearing masks and social distancing???? They're still peddling that stuff huh? Good Grief!

2 weeks to slow the spread, no wait 2 months to slow the spread, no wait 2 years to slow the spread.

The goal posts just moves for every logical argument presented. What can you do?!?
 

NightAntilli

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However and this is key, most of those arguments quickly went away once that we saw the news that all our hospitals in a city with 5.3 million in population, where at 100% capacity with dozens of new patients with significant symtoms being reported everyday.
You mean like what happens every year with influenza...? Don't believe me. Here;



 

NightAntilli

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By saying this:

1. You can only work here at the main location if you have a vaccine passport,or a certified medical exception.

2. Remote workers like you are a dime-a-dozen, and you should understand that we will fire you at the first major mistake you make, so we can replace you with someone vaccinated.

It's really that ****ing simple.

I think this is a great first step towards getting this damn outbreak under control; at this point everyone who ACTUALLY WANTED a vaccine has had it for over a month (no excuse for MOST of the remaining holdouts, since yiu can now get same-day vac appointments)
Except the vaccinated are still getting infected and spreading it, and some are still ending up in hospitals and dying.
 

Bl00dyMinded

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Except the vaccinated are still getting infected and spreading it, and some are still ending up in hospitals and dying.
Exactly... And this new string Delta wasn't even started here in the US... So you can't blame and say oh look people who aren't vaccinated are at fault. This string comes from India. It ain't our fault. And in California they just came out with a report that out of the people getting covid right now 27% have been fully vaccinated.

I work in the healthcare, I see covid daily in the hospital and I've had covid last year. I'm also fully vaccinated. And I can tell you I feel that media and the government are hyping this up because it's a payout for Big Pharm, and if you are in denial then you don't know how this healthcare works in the US. Unfortunately, the healthcare in this country is all greedy and garbage. Now they are just advertising we should get boosters, who benefits from all this? Hint... It ain't us...and what happened to the FLU last year? No one heard anything about it because everything was just covid.

To be clear I'm not one saying I don't support vaccines. As Arrow said before. There has been vaccines that thanks to them many of us are alive today. But this COVID-19 stuff is just being milked. Mark my words after delta there will be another variant. And another booster. And this will become the new daily flu shot along with the flu shot.
 

UltraModernGuy

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And here's how you sound.

"The vaccine is 100% effective. I got the vaccine, I'm immune. Oops, those Trump followers refuse the vaccine, they might infect me and kill me."

LOL, it doesn't get any more illogical than that.

By the way, your 'save the children' argument is irrelevant. Children are almost immune to covid.
Wow, way to miss the point. I don't think anyone with a brain and a vaccination believe they are immune. Clearly you don't understand how vaccinations work. Not that I'd expect much from someone who doesn't know what a leftist is, and think the courts are leftist, ROFL. I didn't even bring up Trump, or anything about saving the children, but I guess your conservative brain rot can't comprehend much outside of uuurrrgggghh must own libssss. Have a fun day.
 

Norsiiii

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While I would expect a lot of push back from anti-vaxxers, there doesn't seems to be as many around. I guess something my be culling their numbers, imagine that.
I very much doubt that a virus that has such a low mortality rate, particularly for those under the age of 50, would have any significant effect on the population size of anti-vaxxers
 

NightAntilli

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Ya, and 99% of those clogging up the hospitals are unvaccinated. Cool.
You blindly believe numbers spouted by propagandists. That is the main problem. When was the last time you did some fact-checking yourself? I saw those 99% headlines posted everywhere. But I never was able to find the actual numbers released. Why do you think that is?

The escalation is quite clear. Non-effective measures are constantly taken and are becoming more and more infringing upon fundamental human rights. This is no longer about the virus. The issues we are going to have (and actually already have) as a society are much much MUCH more important and dangerous.

Sometimes things need to be broken down to the most fundamental level. People have to get rid of the idea that governments and corporations are there to protect them and serve them. They are not. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

Don't believe me? Think about it this way.
The same institution that would shoot you if you don't want to pay your taxes cares about you, right? The same institution that would throw you out of your own house after they themselves devalued your purchasing power cares about you, right?
The same corporations that profit when you are sick, or keep you in fear to sell you stuff, they care about you, right?
I will leave this here;

At this point, all I can say is, do us all a favor and believe me, even if you don't agree.
 

Hexic

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It may be hard for you to understand. There is more than one category in science. I have no problem with science. Until it threatens my health for no reason.

It may be hard for you to understand - but when you begin selectively ignoring categories of science because you don’t personally agree… you may have a problem.

The objective, non-partisan ‘category’ of science responsible for studying this virus agrees with vaccinations, the end.

The fact that society is so privileged these days to deny the usage of a vaccine that has killed 4.2 million people this far is sad, no matter what side of the isle you’re on.

But hey, I’m sure all the new hospitalizations & deaths in the populations of the US with little vaccine presence is just either fake news, or a correlation somehow.
 

NightAntilli

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The objective, non-partisan ‘category’ of science responsible for studying this virus agrees with vaccinations, the end.
No it doesn't. Politics is being masqueraded as science, and the actual science of anyone that is questioning what is happening, is being actively silenced.
What do you think all the censorship on social media is all about...?

No. It's not about keeping 'false information' in check. Look how many times 'fact-checked' articles and news turned out to be true.

Here's an elephant in the room. From the one that actually invented the mRNA technology;

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1420814390262173701

Seriously, some of you need to follow this dude to get a different perspective.
 

scavengerspc

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Except the vaccinated are still getting infected and spreading it, and some are still ending up in hospitals and dying.
99.6% of the dead are unvaccinated. That is 996 out of 1000 for you trumpers.
94.8% of the infected are unvaccinated. That is 948 out of 1000 for trumpers.

And the fact that we can still catch it and spread it is true.
AND EXACTLY WHY THOSE DAMN MASKS ARE COMING BACK.

And we all owe it to folks like you.
 

NightAntilli

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Freedom was never for a second meant to supersede responsibility.
Those things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are pretty much interdependent. By following whatever you are being told, you are by default giving away your own responsibility to someone else.
Obviously they like to twist it around, telling you you are irresponsible if you question the narrative.

99.6% of the dead are unvaccinated. That is 996 out of 1000 for you trumpers.
94.8% of the infected are unvaccinated. That is 948 out of 1000 for trumpers.

And the fact that we can still catch it and spread it is true.
AND EXACTLY WHY THOSE DAMN MASKS ARE COMING BACK.
I'm not from the US, nor do I live there. The fact that your head is up in politics says it all.
And those numbers are simply wrong. Just like the death rate has been pumped up by adding in the Influenza deaths, there is some shenanigans going on here. I look at things globally, not just the US. So, tell me. Why are the people in the worst health state in Israel higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated?

Obviously you won't hear that in the news. Because it doesn't fit the agenda. So "why is Israel different than the US?", is the obvious question... But I guess you're allergic to questions.

And we all owe it to folks like you.
It's easy to blame others for your own incompetence.

Actually they are "spouted by Hospitals".
Where are the numbers?
 

Hexic

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No it doesn't. Politics is being masqueraded as science, and the actual science of anyone that is questioning what is happening, is being actively silenced.
What do you think all the censorship on social media is all about...?

No. It's not about keeping 'false information' in check. Look how many times 'fact-checked' articles and news turned out to be true.

Here's an elephant in the room. From the one that actually invented the mRNA technology;

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1420814390262173701

Seriously, some of you need to follow this dude to get a different perspective.
What Dr. Malone is doing is clear - he’s operating off of absolutes, and playing an incredible strawman game.

“There are zero risks ever having to worry about this vaccine” - fundamentally untrue, as we can’t know everything forever.

“Vaccine immunity is the only way to true herd immunity” - also untrue, if humanity wants to wait around like it’s the early 20th century once more for enough people to die and the rest to build natural immunity.

His dialogue makes him sound smart to those who already agree with his agenda, but he’s speaking common sense - he’s not disagreeing with any global health entity.

What he fails to do is offer solutions in that rant. What shall we do? Wait it out, let more people die just because there’s a chance that at some point something may happen on the side effect? He’s offering the “We don’t know anything” card, which is as useless as not getting the vaccine.

Don’t fall into the trap of a professional who goes against the grain, agrees with your idealogy, offers counter points that are in fact points simply pushed all the way to the absolute (easy way to get fans by the way, relatability) that actually don’t go against the existing belief he’s ranting about — and just assume he’s correct.
 

scavengerspc

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Those things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are pretty much interdependent.
Im not surprised you think that.
And those numbers are simply wrong.
They are not wrong. You are wrong. My choice of info is you and your quotes from people claiming things like Jewish lasers and bamboo paper and the CDC, John Hopkins and every hospital. You lose.
Obviously you won't hear that in the news.
Because it's not news. Its a schizophrenic fantasy.
Where are the numbers?
I went to the belly of the beast for this fact, Texas. Let me know if want more. I have dozens.

"Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services."

So I was wrong for Texas. I said 99.6 and its actually 99.5. My apologies to the Techspot community. /s
 

scavengerspc

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What Dr. Malone is doing is clear - he’s operating off of absolutes, and playing an incredible strawman game.

“There are zero risks ever having to worry about this vaccine” - fundamentally untrue, as we can’t know everything forever.

“Vaccine immunity is the only way to true herd immunity” - also untrue, if humanity wants to wait around like it’s the early 20th century once more for enough people to die and the rest to build natural immunity.

His dialogue makes him sound smart to those who already agree with his agenda, but he’s speaking common sense - he’s not disagreeing with any global health entity.

What he fails to do is offer solutions in that rant. What shall we do? Wait it out, let more people die just because there’s a chance that at some point something may happen on the side effect? He’s offering the “We don’t know anything” card, which is as useless as not getting the vaccine.

Don’t fall into the trap of a professional who goes against the grain, agrees with your idealogy, offers counter points that are in fact points simply pushed all the way to the absolute (easy way to get fans by the way, relatability) that actually don’t go against the existing belief he’s ranting about — and just assume he’s correct.
You do realize you are also dealing with a fact free base, I'm sure.
 

NightAntilli

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“There are zero risks ever having to worry about this vaccine” - fundamentally untrue, as we can’t know everything forever.
But that is exactly what the vaccine is being sold as.

“Vaccine immunity is the only way to true herd immunity” - also untrue, if humanity wants to wait around like it’s the early 20th century once more for enough people to die and the rest to build natural immunity.
And yet again, that is exactly what the vaccine is being sold as.

His dialogue makes him sound smart to those who already agree with his agenda, but he’s speaking common sense - he’s not disagreeing with any global health entity.
But he is clearly disagreeing with the policy of how to handle the situation.

What he fails to do is offer solutions in that rant. What shall we do? Wait it out, let more people die just because there’s a chance that at some point something may happen on the side effect? He’s offering the “We don’t know anything” card, which is as useless as not getting the vaccine.
He does offer those. Go look at his Twitter. And ironically, one of those is to not vaccinate the ones that are not high risk. Why? Because the one that discovered HIV and won a Nobel Prize warns that excess vaccination actually increases the risk of creating more variants. But obviously, that has been "fact-checked" to death. Judge for yourself, what he said;

But I guess all these people that had great medical achievements, they are all wrong this time though... It's the media that knows everything...

They are not wrong. You are wrong. My choice of info is you and your quotes from people claiming things like Jewish lasers and bamboo paper and the CDC, John Hopkins and every hospital. You lose.
You're on a power trip and about 'winning'. But in fact, I actually WANT to be wrong. Because where we are going is nowhere pleasant. And it will affect us ALL, not just me. And that is what you don't seem to get. You keep portraying the ones that don't share your view as the enemy. That is exactly what the Nazis achieved with the masses in WWII. So really, I do hope that I am wrong, because then the world will end up a much better place than what I am seeing it will become. But unfortunately, I don't think I am wrong, and well, I hope that none of you here end up participating in atrocities where you only find that out in hindsight.

Because it's not news. Its a schizophrenic fantasy.
It came directly from the Israeli ministry of health. But yeah. Keep ignoring whatever doesn't fit your agenda...

I went to the belly of the beast for this fact, Texas. Let me know if want more. I have dozens.
"Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people"

"DSHS noted that these are preliminary numbers, which could change because each case must be confirmed through public health investigations."

Uhuh... So in other words, propaganda. Because they are not final nor verified numbers.

You do realize you are also dealing with a fact free base, I'm sure.
Your self-awareness seems to be non-existent.
 
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