dopefisher
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ok this may sound stupid to all you experts, but i need to know if i need a whole new motherboard to get a pci express card. i do a lot of gaming with all the new games. is there any way to avoid getting a new motherboard?
...soon be phased out.
No it's not just yet. Intel screwed-up, PCI-e isn't really any better performance than AGP until they get that fixed.ripken204 said:pci-e have not caught on at all, it is not a rumor, it is a fact, all of the good cards out are agp and a few of the cards have a pci-e edition for them. trust me, i have pci-e and im trying to find a good video card to get and its kinda hard to find pci-e cards.
Exactly, I don't suggest buggy new things to newbies, and especially not to some self-styled Symmetric Processing experts with no clue what "Symmetric Processing" actually meant, often you even have to explain to them what PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) actually supposed to be.tbrunt3 said:Personally I just waiting untill the dust is clear for PCI-E then decied what to do since right now I have a really good card which can play any game out there now with out breaking a sweat.
nein said:some self-styled Symmetric Processing experts with no clue what "Symmetric Processing" actually meant, often you even have to explain to them what PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) actually supposed to be.
shadow_29 said:are you talking about yourself??'cause all you do is preach to everyone talking or even curious about pci express and tell them how "Intel screwed-up, PCI-e isn't really any better performance than AGP until they get that fixed"
I only stated that facts as what each of the compaines are doing and what there marketing strategies would be and if you want to tell the world that your the ONLY self-certified delusional lunatic(i am sorry expert "who does this for a living") who knows the inner workings of the pci express and how one of the biggest company in the world was unable to launch without debugging this new technology and pretty much "screwed up"as you put it.while youre among the ONLY few keeping tabs on the companies progress and failure, then you are grossly overestimating your self.
shadow_29 said:first of all pci express is supposed to be the successor to agp interface.pci devices like modems,lan card,audio cards dont require that fast a bus.pci express has a 4 gb/s transfer rate since it has the ability to simultaneously transfer data upsteram and downstream it would have a 8 gb/s bus speed.intel is already pushing for the new pci express slots.if you check out a new mobo based on intel 915/925 x chipset(lga 775)you'll see that besides the pci express X16 interface for the video card there is already 2 pci expess slots namely pxi express X1 along with good old pci slots.why???well because besides the good old pci,new devices really dont need that fast an interface so not a lot of devices are available with this interface.but in this fast pc market its impossible to be future proof.but rest assured that even if intel would want to push out theold pci and bring in the new pci express,its going to take a long time,pci express which was a necessity in the graphic market to increase the agp interface took about a 9 months to a year to get it mainstream approval(quantity),it would take even a longer time for intel to try and through good old pci out.
It's OK, don't worry... Ignorance and Stupidity in perfect English or "wanna be different" English would still be ignorance and Stupidity. For example below...shadow_29 said:let me try and post like you do,first i 'll start by quoting you a couple of time so here goes
nein:yak yak yak blah blah blah
(now i'll throw in some self-praise .....like)dah.......i know stuff too
nein:yak yak yak blah blah blah blah blah
(now i'll attack anyone i dont like which is pretty much everyone including me)
here i might throw in some refrence to some childrens stories,and attack other peoples grammar and spellings and call them savages compared to the aristrocate that you seem to think of yourself.
well i tried your method/format of posting but you know what.....it doesnt work for me.so i'll stick to my own mediocre method of talking,as you said like "me tarzan,you definately *****".
BringinHeat said:Yea apparently knowing the inner workings of symmetric processing and PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) is a crucial part of buying a PCI express video card and while we at it lets just go design our own processor why support intel or amd cuz they screw up so often. Oh let me just throw in a couple of computer tech words which makes absolutely no sense in the conversation and act like this stuff is common sense just to show how smart i am.REAL EASY TO BE A CRITIC FROM THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PARENTS BASEMENT!!To really answer your question here is a link for all the graphics cards (pci express and AGP) and their performance if you have an agp slot and you need pci express you will need to switch your motherboard:http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vi...004-27gpu2.htmlIn my OPINION stick with agp for now cuz there is hardly a performance difference and it will be a while before they phase out AGP. Even though PCI express is the future and will eventually be the standard in graphics cards.
nein said:self-styled Symmetric Processing experts with no clue what "Symmetric Processing" actually meant, often you even have to explain to them what PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) actually supposed to be.
nein said:Exactly, I don't suggest buggy new things to newbies, and especially not to some self-styled Symmetric Processing experts with no clue what "Symmetric Processing" actually meant, often you even have to explain to them what PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) actually supposed to be.
nein said:It's OK, don't worry... Ignorance and Stupidity in perfect English or "wanna be different" English would still be ignorance and Stupidity. For example below...
Actually without gibberish works or even if it was simplified down to "Jittered blending of adjacent pixels caused bluriness in V5's FSAA" it wouln't do any good.BringinHeat said:You are the ignorant and stupid person to expect people to know about all this just to buy a Pci express video card or have a motherboard compatible to it. To know alot is good for you but to communicate properly what you know without being a jerk is the key. Maybe all that gibberish works at star trek conventions but try to keep it to the point in this website. People come here for help not to listen to your BS about who is screwing up.
It is certainly better than the mumbo-jumbo ignorant stupidity below as "help".BringinHeat said:Well i see improvement, finally you say something without rambling on with useless stuff or complaining about how all the big companies screw up all the time. Keep up the good work. That "wanna be different" english is real funny coming from you look up your the only one who is trying real hard to be different.
BringinHeat said:FIRSTLY SLI is not AKA PCIe they are totally different things.PCIe is a VGA slot with twice the bandwidth of regular AGP 8x whereas SLI (scalable link interface) is the technology where you have two PCIe slots linked together supporting two PCIe VGAs running as one.Secondly INTEL DOES NOT MAKE VGA CARD FOR PCIe they only have the integrated video in the motherboard which by no means you can play games with,they are only the pioneers in PCI express motherboard technology and most mainstream computers (dell, SONY, HP) usually come with ATI x300se cards in them.What you say about nvidia being better because of SLI would be the common theory but if you take a look at the article that i linked above or below it has the performance of all the video cards including the ULTRA SLI configuration and according to the testers/benchmarkers in there they said that in some cases the ultra SLI configuration gets beats by the ATI x850 PE. Even though the ULTRA SLI configuration works really good in some games it is highly dependent on the forceware drivers and in some cases if the drivers for the game are not optimised it will give you only a minor gain over one card or sometimes no gain in performance over one ultra card at all.6600 GT SLI gives you in most cases the same performance as one 6800 GT.PLus the HP desktop HAPLESS MINDSET has more than likely includes a stock intel motherboard with only one PCI express slot so considering that he will have to shell out $150-200 bucks on SLI motherboard plus pay for two video cards which at the least will cost him $400 ($199 for 6600GT) only for a gain that he may or may not get is not to smart. THis is the article i am referring to
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vi...-27gpu2_47.html
And i still think the joke of the day is All that BS above to answer a question as simple as do i need another motherboard for pci express. Apparently you need to know all that to answer that question so i guess your A+ certification of the light bulb joke is true in your case. Cuz knowing how to make the light bulb is the essential part of handling it. Its stupid people like you who complicate things!!nein said:Exactly, I don't suggest buggy new things to newbies, and especially not to some self-styled Symmetric Processing experts with no clue what "Symmetric Processing" actually meant, often you even have to explain to them what PCI Latency (symmetric time-slices) actually supposed to be.
for good measure cuz i cant talk without speaking stupidity and putting technical things where nothing is needed. Putting in stupid sh*t doesnt make you appear smart buddy!!nein said:Actually without gibberish works or even if it was simplified down to "Jittered blending of adjacent pixels caused bluriness in V5's FSAA" it wouln't do any good.