GeForce GTX 980 Ti Revisited: How does it fare against the GTX 1070 and RTX 2060?

ddferrari

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980Ti still a fine card up to 1440p. Surpasses 60FPS in most scenarios, or only a couple of settings away at worst. Although 1080p is now the sweet spot for that performance new (GTX1660Ti give or take.)

I hold much hope for Nvidia's latest cards this year. Big big step. RTX2080Ti performance for $400 should be the target, much how GTX1070 was arriving to displace the 980Ti. Please don't disappoint me.
$400 for 2080Ti performance?? Yeah, prepare to be disappointed.
 

Vulcanproject

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Possible? Sure. Likely? Naaaaaaahhhh.

Let's revisit this when the 3000 series comes out. But don't hold your breath- you'll be very winded by then. ☺

Many good reasons why this performance is attainable. Not least that if you merely shrunk a 545mm² 12nm TU104 die down (RTX 2080 Super) onto 7nm EUV without doing anything else then you end up with a die considerably smaller than a $499 TU106 (RTX2070 or Super) 445mm².

Probably somewhere along the lines of 350mm², give or take. Although this assumes Nvidia do nothing else to the architecture, when obviously they will.

Clock increase on a straight shrink of a TU104 would do the rest to close performance with an RTX2080ti. So on paper, you could build a much smaller chip than an RTX2070 and it can be as fast as an RTX2080Ti.

There are other reasons too for considering more aggressive pricing from Nvidia. Renewed competition from AMD at this level with RDNA2 for starters. Then there is the knowledge that Nvidia really didn't sell many RTX cards, largely because of the immaturity of the additional technologies versus the small step in performance over the big selling GTX10 series. No node leap meant large dies and high manufacturing costs, even for the smaller TU104 Turing design.

Profit margin is probably not even that great for TU104 like the 2070 Super, not when you realise the 5700XT is only 251mm²! Nvidia do want to sell through on these technologies when they can.

Finally you have a problem like consoles. Both AMD and Nvidia know if you price graphics cards with performance that is not particularly higher than a next gen console close to the outright cost of a full machine itself, they don't sell. People may opt for a console until prices are more realistic.

PS5 for example will need at least a 5700XT to only get similar performance. If that performance from a graphics card is still $400 (it won't be) then both Nvidia and AMD know people will likely go for consoles.

Expect pricing according to this. Later this year the new generations of cards will arrive and move the game on a long way for price performance.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Oh man....no overclock results?

We all know the 980ti really shines with a 30-40% overclock. Most the 980ti’s Ive owned hit 1400-1475mhz no problem on air.

Too bad she doesnt support adaptive sync like the 10 series and newer, I know which budget gpu id be looking for if that were the case.
I was curious if an overclock was going to be done since my 980Ti AMP! Omega can take one heck of an OC. I boost up to 1514 on the core and memory I can push to 2100 and the temps never exceed 70c.

It's good to see an aging card like the 980Ti is still a very relevant card 5 years later. I'm happy with my purchase and hopefully it'll keep going strong for another couple years before I need to finally replace it.
 
Here is the thing, yes the new card is faster, but 19% on average at 1440p? I'm not upgrading for that. Notice all the games are still running at 60fps or faster with the 980ti. You won't notice a difference unless the card can crank it to 120. My problem was always having the 980ti and not being able to get to a speed that matched my monitor's refresh rate of 144hz. So, we're still in that situation of not being able to max out our monitors even with the new cards. Pretty sad. Now I wish I had a faster GPU once in awhile but I'm not spending a thousand bucks or more on a GPU, that's f***-tard levels of dumb. I wish people would understand that GPU's are a joke. They don't have to do hardly anything at all and people are dumping money in them like *****s. They should be 5 times as fast as they currently are. Nvidia has got to be one of the biggest scam companies on earth. And this article is proof. In 5 years they're barely beating their old video cards for the same money. Pathetic!
 

ddferrari

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Here is the thing, yes the new card is faster, but 19% on average at 1440p? I'm not upgrading for that. Notice all the games are still running at 60fps or faster with the 980ti. You won't notice a difference unless the card can crank it to 120. My problem was always having the 980ti and not being able to get to a speed that matched my monitor's refresh rate of 144hz. So, we're still in that situation of not being able to max out our monitors even with the new cards. Pretty sad. Now I wish I had a faster GPU once in awhile but I'm not spending a thousand bucks or more on a GPU, that's f***-tard levels of dumb. I wish people would understand that GPU's are a joke. They don't have to do hardly anything at all and people are dumping money in them like *****s. They should be 5 times as fast as they currently are. Nvidia has got to be one of the biggest scam companies on earth. And this article is proof. In 5 years they're barely beating their old video cards for the same money. Pathetic!
"I'm not spending a thousand bucks or more on a GPU, that's f***-tard levels of dumb. I wish people would understand that GPU's are a joke. They don't have to do hardly anything at all".

"They should be 5 times as fast as they currently are."

Hahaha! Any takers for the rookie? I'm currently too busy... and f***tard?? Must be a Gamespot migrant. :-D
 

ddferrari

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Here is the thing, yes the new card is faster, but 19% on average at 1440p? I'm not upgrading for that. Notice all the games are still running at 60fps or faster with the 980ti. You won't notice a difference unless the card can crank it to 120. My problem was always having the 980ti and not being able to get to a speed that matched my monitor's refresh rate of 144hz. So, we're still in that situation of not being able to max out our monitors even with the new cards. Pretty sad. Now I wish I had a faster GPU once in awhile but I'm not spending a thousand bucks or more on a GPU, that's f***-tard levels of dumb. I wish people would understand that GPU's are a joke. They don't have to do hardly anything at all and people are dumping money in them like *****s. They should be 5 times as fast as they currently are. Nvidia has got to be one of the biggest scam companies on earth. And this article is proof. In 5 years they're barely beating their old video cards for the same money. Pathetic!
Well, I couldn't resist...

Let's start by comparing apples to apples, shall we? The direct replacement for your card is the 1080Ti, not a xx60 series lol. It's about 70% faster. Destroys the 980Ti. Read some reviews. Retailed for $700- just $50 more than the 980Ti for a 70% gain. It was one of the largest single leaps in performance in GPU history.

Same money? Nope. The 2060 is 19% faster (just as you said) and it's $350. The 980Ti was $650. That's nearly double the price.

How is Nvidia scamming anyone, exactly? If you like their product, make the CHOICE to buy it. If you don't, go with AMD. No one is tricking you out of your money, dude. This is the same anti-Nvidia teenage argument I've heard for, ohhh, about the ten thousandth time.

All this was covered in the article. Did you even read it?
 

Lounds

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I think it's fair to say that every second gen RTX will outperform its predecessor by "just enough" to justify its existence.

The 3060 will be better than the 2060.

The 3070 will be better than the 2070.

The 3080 will be better than the 2080.

The 3080Ti will sit above all else, but the TITAN.

Thing is, I'd say the next generation of cards should be so good at 4K 60FPS that they demand on them then will become how well they do at 120FPS or 240FPS...or possibly 8K.

I believe however, that they're gonna have a hard time forcing most users to upgrade from 4K to 8K.

I honestly don't see the desktop benefit of upgrading from 1440p 144Hz to 4K or 8K.
This is funny to read due to the fact the 3070 is faster than the 2080ti. I'm looking forward to the 3060, I only plan on gaming at 1080/1440p.
 

QuantumPhysics

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This is funny to read due to the fact the 3070 is faster than the 2080ti. I'm looking forward to the 3060, I only plan on gaming at 1080/1440p.
hat's not actually true.

The 3070 has a bottleneck issue - not enough VRAM.

The 2080Ti outperforms the 3070 in many games.

(I don't care about benchmarks)

The 3070 is a better VALUE tho.

All in all - the only people who really got F'ed were the ones you sold their 2080Ti for half price prior to the 3080 release.
 

ddferrari

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I mean 3060ti isn't far off 2080ti performance. The problem is stock but yeah no one is disappointed in 30 series. 20 series was overpriced.
Gosh, rereading my comment, I'm not sure what my point was. I believe I'd been boozing it up that night. ;) Sorry!

I just paid more than I'm willing to admit to for a FTW3 1080 Ti Hybrid (paid under original retail, at least!) just to manage until the 4xxx series comes out. The Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB OC I bought on ebay was my "get by" card for a while (sold my previous 1080 Ti before realizing a 3080 was impossible to find at a reasonable price), but with a 3440px1440p monitor - and the current outlook for normal pricing - it really limited what I could play. I mean, I bought this monitor for the eye-candy, right?

Sadly, this card has zero room for OC'ing (already factory OC'd) as I've found, but the temps!! Holy cow! No need to crank up the GPU or case fans... she's running in the mid 40's at load! Odd that it barely has any room left, with those low temps. Silicon lottery, I guess...

I'll just enjoy the quiet solitude and wait for the 4xxx series. I'm hoping by then, the madness will have settled down. The 3xxx series is already becoming old news.