GPU shipments jumped 42% in Q2 as AMD's market share declined

Beerfloat

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I'll just say that there's a reason that in general, the ones that use nVIdia upgrade every 1-2 years, and the ones that use AMD, upgrade every 3-5 years.
QED.
Though, if that were actually a fact, is that.. is that good for AMD?

Do tell us more about that reason, though.
I guess it could mean that AMD customers are just less interested in cutting edge technology? That would kind of fit in with the typical Luddite remarks about innovations like, you know, tesselation, g-sync, ray tracing, or any of the things Radeons do not have or are poor at.
Or perhaps it means you guys just have less expendable income?
Well. I'm sure you have a different and interesting take!
 

NightAntilli

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I live with someone with a GTX 1070, we play the same games mostly but he doesn’t have the same issues. Also I did have an RX 580 for a short while (from a friends spare mining setup) and the issues were identical. It’s also not the only AMD card I have owned, I’ve had several over the years. I also used to be a systems engineer and studied computer science at university. I know what I’m talking about.

Let me just assure you that these AMD driver issues are real. If someone tells you that AMD users do not have issues they are flat out lying to your face.

Oh and nobody said GeForce cards don’t have issues. They definitely have far less than Radeon cards.
Just leaving this here...

QED.
Though, if that were actually a fact, is that.. is that good for AMD?

Do tell us more about that reason, though.
I guess it could mean that AMD customers are just less interested in cutting edge technology? That would kind of fit in with the typical Luddite remarks about innovations like, you know, tesselation, g-sync, ray tracing, or any of the things Radeons do not have or are poor at.
Or perhaps it means you guys just have less expendable income?
Well. I'm sure you have a different and interesting take!
We all know that is not actually good for AMD from a sales perspective. But before I go on...

You know what the main problem is...? Comments like "you guys", I.e. assuming that because someone does not trash AMD on all fronts, they are pretty much automatically AMD fanboys. Look how many warriors immediately jump in to defend nVidia left and right.
And under those circumstances, you think that an actual conversation is taking place? There is no actual conversation. The confirmation bias is extremely strong from both sides, which means, that nobody actually listens, but is only prepared to give rebuttals rather than understand. And because one side is much much larger in numbers, they are inevitably more annoying and more prone to group think.

I normally don't bother explaining, because of the above. But, let me just offer a few other alternative reasons that people with AMD hardware keep them longer on average...
First thing's first... Maybe the ones that buy AMD are actually more aware and more understanding of hardware trends. I mean... Who do you think is more likely to buy AMD? Someone random gamer, or someone that is actually knowledgeable about hardware? We know nVidia is known everywhere and AMD really is not. So there's your answer.
And a few other reasons... Rather than AMD customers being less interested in new technology, maybe they simply are less impulsive to get the newest shiny toy because of their knowledge. Or maybe the cards actually age better where they don't have the urge to upgrade as quickly. Or maybe they simply dislike nVidia's exploitation of consumers and get AMD instead.

There are a lot of valid reasons that are shrugged off. But the reality is, that if nVidia and AMD do EXACTLY the same thing, AMD is the one that is punished more harshly for it, if nVidia is punished for it at all.

All you have to do is watch the video above, and more importantly, watch the dismissal of it without any actual arguments, evidence or sources.
 

Sausagemeat

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Just leaving this here...


We all know that is not actually good for AMD from a sales perspective. But before I go on...

You know what the main problem is...? Comments like "you guys", I.e. assuming that because someone does not trash AMD on all fronts, they are pretty much automatically AMD fanboys. Look how many warriors immediately jump in to defend nVidia left and right.
And under those circumstances, you think that an actual conversation is taking place? There is no actual conversation. The confirmation bias is extremely strong from both sides, which means, that nobody actually listens, but is only prepared to give rebuttals rather than understand. And because one side is much much larger in numbers, they are inevitably more annoying and more prone to group think.

I normally don't bother explaining, because of the above. But, let me just offer a few other alternative reasons that people with AMD hardware keep them longer on average...
First thing's first... Maybe the ones that buy AMD are actually more aware and more understanding of hardware trends. I mean... Who do you think is more likely to buy AMD? Someone random gamer, or someone that is actually knowledgeable about hardware? We know nVidia is known everywhere and AMD really is not. So there's your answer.
And a few other reasons... Rather than AMD customers being less interested in new technology, maybe they simply are less impulsive to get the newest shiny toy because of their knowledge. Or maybe the cards actually age better where they don't have the urge to upgrade as quickly. Or maybe they simply dislike nVidia's exploitation of consumers and get AMD instead.

There are a lot of valid reasons that are shrugged off. But the reality is, that if nVidia and AMD do EXACTLY the same thing, AMD is the one that is punished more harshly for it, if nVidia is punished for it at all.

All you have to do is watch the video above, and more importantly, watch the dismissal of it without any actual arguments, evidence or sources.
You should setup a charity to help out your beloved corporation, maybe a gofundme?Because no matter how many ridiculously biased and factually inaccurate videos you post, no matter how many times you lie to people and say AMD doesn’t have issues, we still aren’t going to buy Radeon lol.

Right now where I live you can get Radeon cards for MSRP. But Nvidia parts sell well above MSRP and you have to wait one or two weeks for it. There’s a good reason for this and I’m sorry if you don’t see it, or you think it’s some kind of conspiracy, or most laughable you apparently think Nvidia is exploiting users! Yeah if anything you’ve been exploited by AMD, theyve got you giving them free indirect marketing!

These corporations hate us, they just want our money. This includes your beloved AMD.
 

NightAntilli

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You should setup a charity to help out your beloved corporation, maybe a gofundme?Because no matter how many ridiculously biased and factually inaccurate videos you post, no matter how many times you lie to people and say AMD doesn’t have issues, we still aren’t going to buy Radeon lol.
I know you're not. The posts are not for you. They are for everyone else reading. I know you won't change your mind.

Right now where I live you can get Radeon cards for MSRP. But Nvidia parts sell well above MSRP and you have to wait one or two weeks for it. There’s a good reason for this and I’m sorry if you don’t see it, or you think it’s some kind of conspiracy, or most laughable you apparently think Nvidia is exploiting users!
That reason is because only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia.
Which company is the one constantly hiking prices?

Yeah if anything you’ve been exploited by AMD, theyve got you giving them free indirect marketing!
It's called word of mouth. But everyone knows that nVidia's mind share is way higher than AMD. So if you're going to use that argument against me, what does that say about everyone giving free marketing to nVidia?

These corporations hate us, they just want our money. This includes your beloved AMD.
The only thing that you have said that is actually true. But then again, you criticize me for giving free marketing to AMD, but you don't say anything to anyone giving free marketing to nVidia. The double standard is uncanny.

I actually am curious where you're from, since apparently there are a bunch of Radeon cards at MSRP. I'd love to get one.
 

Sausagemeat

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I know you're not. The posts are not for you. They are for everyone else reading. I know you won't change your mind.


That reason is because only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia.
Which company is the one constantly hiking prices?


It's called word of mouth. But everyone knows that nVidia's mind share is way higher than AMD. So if you're going to use that argument against me, what does that say about everyone giving free marketing to nVidia?


The only thing that you have said that is actually true. But then again, you criticize me for giving free marketing to AMD, but you don't say anything to anyone giving free marketing to nVidia. The double standard is uncanny.

I actually am curious where you're from, since apparently there are a bunch of Radeon cards at MSRP. I'd love to get one.
Lmao “only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia”. How can anyone take you seriously with such a ridiculous comment?

Also, there’s no one here to criticise for giving “free marketing” to Nvidia! But yes, anyone who goes around telling lies about their products is just as silly as those who lie about Radeons. Nvidia are no saints but there is a good reason why gamers are abandoning Radeon for GeForce.

Which company is hiking prices? Both Nvidia and AMD are. Remember Ryzen 5000? That was released 10 months ago and had a considerable price hike over the 3000 series. In fact all of AMDs products recently have been marked up, GPUs and CPUs.

You are correct in that you won’t change my mind. Funnily enough I don’t base my purchasing choices based on comments from random users on the internet. Especially users who claim that “only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia” lol.

Oh and I live in the U.K., currently there are 6600XTs going for roughly MSRP - about £400 and have been in stock since release but the 3060, is at £650+ and sells out constantly. I’m not buying either for either price as neither are worth it.
 

NightAntilli

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Lmao “only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia”. How can anyone take you seriously with such a ridiculous comment?
Calling it ridiculous doesn't make it false. The fact that you deny EVEN THIS, says everything.

Also, there’s no one here to criticise for giving “free marketing” to Nvidia!
And yet there is one for AMD. Imagine that... And at the same time, there is definitely no unfair bias against AMD... 🤷
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But yes, anyone who goes around telling lies about their products is just as silly as those who lie about Radeons. Nvidia are no saints but there is a good reason why gamers are abandoning Radeon for GeForce.
LOL abandoning Radeon for Geforce... That's not what's happening here at all. But whatever floats your boat.

Which company is hiking prices? Both Nvidia and AMD are.
Typical copout response. We all know nVidia dominates the market. That means that nVidia dictates prices. AMD's prices are inevitably a result of nVidia's prices. Or are you going to deny this as well?

Remember Ryzen 5000? That was released 10 months ago and had a considerable price hike over the 3000 series. In fact all of AMDs products recently have been marked up, GPUs and CPUs.
The CPUs have indeed been marked up. But the prices were still not unreasonable, because the price hike came with an ever higher performance increase. You cannot say that from nVidia's 1000 series to 2000 series, for example.

You are correct in that you won’t change my mind. Funnily enough I don’t base my purchasing choices based on comments from random users on the internet.
Could've fooled me, since you obviously drank a lot of green cool aid.

Especially users who claim that “only knowledgeable people know about AMD, and the layman only knows nVidia” lol.
It's still the truth. And even if they know of AMD, they know them only because of their CPUs and don't even know they design GPUs.

Oh and I live in the U.K., currently there are 6600XTs going for roughly MSRP - about £400 and have been in stock since release but the 3060, is at £650+ and sells out constantly. I’m not buying either for either price as neither are worth it.
Well, I wouldn't buy that either, because, they are overpriced. I do wonder whether you're telling the truth. On Amazon US, the cheapest 6600XT is $685, which is pretty much close to double the MSRP. And, if I look at PCPartPicker, the cheapest one that is actually available is 420 pounds on Scan. That's almost 100 pounds over MSRP. There's none on Newegg UK, none on Amazon UK...

Yeah... They must have sold. What a shocker.
 

Sausagemeat

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Calling it ridiculous doesn't make it false. The fact that you deny EVEN THIS, says everything.

And yet there is one for AMD. Imagine that... And at the same time, there is definitely no unfair bias against AMD... 🤷
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LOL abandoning Radeon for Geforce... That's not what's happening here at all. But whatever floats your boat.


Typical copout response. We all know nVidia dominates the market. That means that nVidia dictates prices. AMD's prices are inevitably a result of nVidia's prices. Or are you going to deny this as well?


The CPUs have indeed been marked up. But the prices were still not unreasonable, because the price hike came with an ever higher performance increase. You cannot say that from nVidia's 1000 series to 2000 series, for example.


Could've fooled me, since you obviously drank a lot of green cool aid.


It's still the truth. And even if they know of AMD, they know them only because of their CPUs and don't even know they design GPUs.


Well, I wouldn't buy that either, because, they are overpriced. I do wonder whether you're telling the truth. On Amazon US, the cheapest 6600XT is $685, which is pretty much close to double the MSRP. And, if I look at PCPartPicker, the cheapest one that is actually available is 420 pounds on Scan. That's almost 100 pounds over MSRP. There's none on Newegg UK, none on Amazon UK...

Yeah... They must have sold. What a shocker.
I get it, you like AMD and you’re upset that I don’t like them. But I have told no lies or made any wild claims.

I’m not really interested in a further debate. You’re not rational at all. Go hassle another person who has had a bad experience on Radeon. This commenter has had a poor experience and you can’t undo that I’m afraid.

Scan U.K £419 & in stock: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi...WVSKTofLrhCvjDzIV1HPWRiEY8Lzd7lhoC_Q0QAvD_BwE

eBuyer U.K. £419 & in stock on Tuesday: https://www.ebuyer.com/1265651-msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x-8gb-graphics-card-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x-8g?utm_term=&utm_campaign=PLAs||AllProducts||Low&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=4863007528&hsa_cam=9233776249&hsa_grp=93110254025&hsa_ad=416152659484&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=pla-293946777986&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjw4KyJBhAbEiwAaAQbE8Q3Yi9ZFx8MnPns5vfWMlOnmCcPfdxhP8KHSs5bgdKZKFZmjRvNvRoC9R4QAvD_BwE

Considering the U.K. adds 20% to all purchases, these 6600XTs are selling below MSRP.
 

NightAntilli

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I get it, you like AMD and you’re upset that I don’t like them.
If that's your statement, you clearly don't get it.

But I have told no lies or made any wild claims.
Of course not....

I’m not really interested in a further debate.
This was never a debate.

You’re not rational at all.
Pot Kettle

Go hassle another person who has had a bad experience on Radeon. This commenter has had a poor experience and you can’t undo that I’m afraid.
I am not interested in doing that. All I'm interested in is showing how biased people are towards nVidia. So thank you for helping with that.

Considering the U.K. adds 20% to all purchases, these 6600XTs are selling below MSRP.
LOL Below MSRP. Sure buddy. The prices align with what I found, 420 pounds is the lowest. "In stock on Tuesday" means not on stock right now. You know. Maybe they were selling out 'constantly' ;)

But this is indeed a good place to end this 'interaction'. Bye bye.
 

Beerfloat

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You know what the main problem is...? Comments like "you guys", I.e. assuming that because someone does not trash AMD on all fronts, they are pretty much automatically AMD fanboys. Look how many warriors immediately jump in to defend nVidia left and right.
Oh I’m very specific when I say ‘you guys’. I’m talking about people like yourself, who are incredibly consistent in years of preaching the AMD gospel on multiple forums.
Is that really your main problem?

And under those circumstances, you think that an actual conversation is taking place? There is no actual conversation. The confirmation bias is extremely strong from both sides, which means, that nobody actually listens, but is only prepared to give rebuttals rather than understand. And because one side is much much larger in numbers, they are inevitably more annoying and more prone to group think.
Who is more annoying is surely a matter of perspective, isn’t it?
But really, I don’t mind being annoying to people who argue that their hardware choices are driven by a more refined sense of taste, or even more amusingly, some sort of moral high ground. Like the AMD Jehovas’ perpetual victim complex, I don’t think that will ever not be entertaining.

I normally don't bother explaining, because of the above. But, let me just offer a few other alternative reasons that people with AMD hardware keep them longer on average...
First thing's first... Maybe the ones that buy AMD are actually more aware and more understanding of hardware trends. I mean... Who do you think is more likely to buy AMD? Someone random gamer, or someone that is actually knowledgeable about hardware? We know nVidia is known everywhere and AMD really is not. So there's your answer.
And a few other reasons... Rather than AMD customers being less interested in new technology, maybe they simply are less impulsive to get the newest shiny toy because of their knowledge. Or maybe the cards actually age better where they don't have the urge to upgrade as quickly. Or maybe they simply dislike nVidia's exploitation of consumers and get AMD instead.

There are a lot of valid reasons that are shrugged off. But the reality is, that if nVidia and AMD do EXACTLY the same thing, AMD is the one that is punished more harshly for it, if nVidia is punished for it at all.

All you have to do is watch the video above, and more importantly, watch the dismissal of it without any actual arguments, evidence or sources.
Ok, so first of all, the factoid about GPU replacement rates that you dropped, as if it were some sort of highly meaningful be-all and end-all difference between Nvidia and AMD GPUs, remains unproven.
Secondly, I would say the reasons for it that you suggest, aside from incredibly long-winded, are every bit as speculative and biased as the two I mentioned. A definite ‘there is your answer’ these are not.

Anyway. Nvidia has innovative tech and a great end user experience. I’m a happy customer.
 

NightAntilli

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Oh I’m very specific when I say ‘you guys’. I’m talking about people like yourself, who are incredibly consistent in years of preaching the AMD gospel on multiple forums.
Is that really your main problem?


Who is more annoying is surely a matter of perspective, isn’t it?
But really, I don’t mind being annoying to people who argue that their hardware choices are driven by a more refined sense of taste, or even more amusingly, some sort of moral high ground. Like the AMD Jehovas’ perpetual victim complex, I don’t think that will ever not be entertaining.


Ok, so first of all, the factoid about GPU replacement rates that you dropped, as if it were some sort of highly meaningful be-all and end-all difference between Nvidia and AMD GPUs, remains unproven.
Secondly, I would say the reasons for it that you suggest, aside from incredibly long-winded, are every bit as speculative and biased as the two I mentioned. A definite ‘there is your answer’ these are not.

Anyway. Nvidia has innovative tech and a great end user experience. I’m a happy customer.
Want some facts? Here:

Less-complex, less-powerful GPUs fail less often than more complex, more powerful GPUs.

AMD’s midrange and budget cards do not fail more often than midrange and budget cards from Nvidia.

PowerColor AMD GPUs fail more often than other brands.

The RTX 2080 Ti is the GPU statistically most likely to fail. It is the only GPU with two-digit failure rates (11 percent) reported from multiple vendors.

AMD high-end GPUs fail more often, in absolute terms, than Nvidia GPUs, even if we remove the impact of PowerColor from the AMD data. The gap is significantly smaller if you do, however.



Did we hear anyone complain about the RTX 2080Ti failure rates? Not really... But, everyone still remembers the RX 480 PCI-e slot (non-)issue.

But yeah. Let me guess. That doesn't count either....
 

Sausagemeat

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Oh I’m very specific when I say ‘you guys’. I’m talking about people like yourself, who are incredibly consistent in years of preaching the AMD gospel on multiple forums.
Is that really your main problem?


Who is more annoying is surely a matter of perspective, isn’t it?
But really, I don’t mind being annoying to people who argue that their hardware choices are driven by a more refined sense of taste, or even more amusingly, some sort of moral high ground. Like the AMD Jehovas’ perpetual victim complex, I don’t think that will ever not be entertaining.


Ok, so first of all, the factoid about GPU replacement rates that you dropped, as if it were some sort of highly meaningful be-all and end-all difference between Nvidia and AMD GPUs, remains unproven.
Secondly, I would say the reasons for it that you suggest, aside from incredibly long-winded, are every bit as speculative and biased as the two I mentioned. A definite ‘there is your answer’ these are not.

Anyway. Nvidia has innovative tech and a great end user experience. I’m a happy customer.
Lol, just block him and move on. You’re just wasting your time. He will never let you have your opinion, he’s made it clear that he believes Nvidia users are just “layman” and Radeon users are “knowledgeable”. How could he ever trust a lowly layman?
 

NightAntilli

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Lol, just block him and move on. You’re just wasting your time. He will never let you have your opinion, he’s made it clear that he believes Nvidia users are just “layman” and Radeon users are “knowledgeable”. How could he ever trust a lowly layman?
I never said that. I said that layman go for nVidia and the ones that go for AMD are knowledgeable about hardware.
That does not mean that knowledgeable people don't go for nVidia, nor that ONLY layman go for nVidia...

Not surprised that your logic is weak though.

And lastly, it's quite ironic that someone that has the opinion of the loud majority, is lecturing someone from a smaller group about not being allowed to voice an opinion...
 

Beerfloat

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Want some facts? Here:
What wild tangent are we off on now?

Did we hear anyone complain about the RTX 2080Ti failure rates? Not really... But, everyone still remembers the RX 480 PCI-e slot (non-)issue.

But yeah. Let me guess. That doesn't count either....
Oh, ok. It’s all just so unfair, isn’t it?

Actually, I use a 2080Ti every day. My sample size of one says this card is awesome!
 

NightAntilli

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And just like that, the facts that the failure rate between AMD and nVidia isn't actually that different, and an nVidia card actually having the worst failure rate, is glossed over completely.

I guess the point has been proven. I am out of here.
 

longjohn119

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This change in market share is to be expected, nvidia is all about gpus, AMD on the other hand has advanced considerably in other markets (servers cpus, desktop cpus, apus, consoles etc) with higher margins and strict partner deals, that compete for 7nm fab capacity. It is quite natural for them to focus on those while nvidia focuses on GPUs.

That's not true at all, in fact it's not even close ,,,,, Nvidia Does GPUs, Servers, Compute Units for science, AI, and automotive

In fact Nvidia is worth more than AMD and Intel put together
 

longjohn119

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People buy Radeons, miss out on modern features like ray tracing and DLSS then encounter loads of issues with drivers and game optimisations, image flickering, black screens, hot temps etc. Then they turn to AMD for help who just point users to try their luck on Reddit. Then they never buy Radeon again.

No wonder they have such a tiny market share for discrete GPUs.

That pretty much described my experience with the RX5700 which replaced a GTX1660 Ti after I upgraded to a 1440p monitor .... They finally got the drivers straightened out but it took the better part of a year and a lot of hair pulling and cursing

Being unable to get a 3080 at launch I picked up a good deal on a MSI RTX 2080 Super Seahawk X from a friend of a friend and it's been trouble free and since it's hybrid watercooled it punches above it's weight .....I could probably sell it now for twice what I paid for it if I could find a 3070 or 3070 Ti at close to MSRP which is still pretty much impossible so I'll keep it since it's doing a good job of getting me by

Disclosure: I own 1003 shares of AMD and have used their CPUs since the 90's ... That said I still choose Nvidia for my GPU needs because they are simply better
 
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Sausagemeat

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That pretty much described my experience with the RX5700 which replaced a GTX1660 Ti after I upgraded to a 1440p monitor .... They finally got the drivers straightened out but it took the better part of a year and a lot of hair pulling and cursing

Being unable to get a 3080 at launch I picked up a good deal on a MSI RTX 2080 Super Seahawk X from a friend of a friend and it's been trouble free and since it's hybrid watercooled it punches above it's weight .....I could probably sell it now for twice what I paid for it if I could find a 3070 or 3070 Ti at close to MSRP which is still pretty much impossible so I'll keep it since it's doing a good job of getting me by
Yeah I’m just waiting. Plenty of minecraft to play in the meantime. Im planning for the worst, I’m not expecting to get anything for a while. I’d be happy to blow £1200 or so on a new rig and monitor, as soon as you can get something that will do significantly better than 1080p60 on the buggy Radeon RX480 that I’m currently using, il dive in. I reckon it could take a couple of years but I’m going to be working and living on boats a long way from home for a while at this point so I can wait.
 

nodfor

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That's not true at all, in fact it's not even close ,,,,, Nvidia Does GPUs, Servers, Compute Units for science, AI, and automotive

In fact Nvidia is worth more than AMD and Intel put together
Gaming is still their bigger source of revenue, according to financial results for 2nd quarter (fiscal) 2022
 

Irata

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QED.
Though, if that were actually a fact, is that.. is that good for AMD?

Do tell us more about that reason, though.
I guess it could mean that AMD customers are just less interested in cutting edge technology? That would kind of fit in with the typical Luddite remarks about innovations like, you know, tesselation, g-sync, ray tracing, or any of the things Radeons do not have or are poor at.
Or perhaps it means you guys just have less expendable income?
Well. I'm sure you have a different and interesting take!
When building a PC, I set an approximate total budget. The aim is generally to have a system that is solid and can be upgraded later on.
One important point is not paying extra for features that won‘t be of use until the component that supports it becomes outdated.

So if I can save €50 or €100 on a GPU, that money goes towards a better PSU, more or better memory, a nice mechanical keyboard….things that will be of benefit immediately. So it‘s really about smart spending.

That‘s not to say that I don‘t appreciate new and interesting features that are e.g. included in DX12U, but I do when they have become more widespread. At that point, it will be supported as standard. Until then, things like a hardware scheduler that immediately benefit me are more important.

But you do you - it would be boring if everyone were the same.
 

Sausagemeat

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One important point is not paying extra for features that won‘t be of use until the component that supports it becomes outdated.
What features are you referring to? It cant be ray tracing or DLSS as these features are overwhelmingly in use at the moment.
 

Beerfloat

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When building a PC, I set an approximate total budget. The aim is generally to have a system that is solid and can be upgraded later on.
One important point is not paying extra for features that won‘t be of use until the component that supports it becomes outdated.
I wonder what any of this tutorial has to do with the claim that Nvidia users upgrade more often.

But ok, now that you mention it. How often are you actually 'building a PC'?
I reckon a lot of people replace bits and pieces as time goes along way more often than starting from scratch.
 

Irata

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Toodles. We know you’ll be back at the evangelism soon enough. Hopefully with something just as amazing as ‘nVidia is like feminism an
I wonder what any of this tutorial has to do with the claim that Nvidia users upgrade more often.

But ok, now that you mention it. How often are you actually 'building a PC'?
I reckon a lot of people replace bits and pieces as time goes along way more often than starting from scratch.
Depends…basically when I need to replace the mainboard I will build new. Simple reason: I have a complete PC to pass on to family or friends that way.

As for AMD customers keeping their cards longer: I can only speculate - I guess longer driver support (as in actual support, I.e. ongoing optimizations rather than keeping cards supported on paper) could be one reason, not buying for e-pen / the buzzword of the day another, but those are just guesses.

Another reason could be that it‘s been a while since AMD offered top of the line options. It seems like e.g. a GTX 1060 also has lots of staying power, so perhaps it comes down to customers who don‘t need the latest and greatest that shop in a particular segment.

Either way, I honestly don‘t care much as everyone should spend their money the way they feel is best for them.