Intel 12th-Gen Core Alder Lake Architectural Benchmark

Strawman

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No idea what you are talking about. Maybe you are bringing a new knowledge about CPU's, who knows 😏
Its easy. Run cinebench and through the task manager have it only run on the physical cores and not the logical cores. Now your cpu usage will be reported as 50% yet your cpu will be pegged to the maximun.
 

Shadowboxer

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Question was about amount of cores, not performance. But of course, you would expect $300 CPU to be equal against $2000 CPU just because both have 8 cores?

Again no, someone just expected that amount of cores = performance despite huge price difference.

Oh yeah, judge never makes any errors and you always win all lawsuits if you're "right" :p


According to this Techspot article we are discussing, not at all. On some scenarios, yes. But generally, no.

I had no problems with Ryzen RAM. Also those problems didn't matter normal user. Being not able to run games at all is worse problem.

You do realize that list does not cover all games? It covers just few games Intel has tested. Also this hybrid problem is something that's not easy to fix. Basically you'll need either new software or use trick like scroll lock to disable cores.
Lmao, you fundamentally do not understand what you are talking about do you. You’re just making a tit of yourself. If you think the 8350 is an 8 core then you are a victim of AMD and are exactly the reason AMD received a lawsuit. They fooled people like you but they didn’t get away it. The sad thing is, you still defend their lies and deception.
 

HardReset

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Lmao, you fundamentally do not understand what you are talking about do you. You’re just making a tit of yourself. If you think the 8350 is an 8 core then you are a victim of AMD and are exactly the reason AMD received a lawsuit. They fooled people like you but they didn’t get away it. The sad thing is, you still defend their lies and deception.
How about proving FX-8350 is not 8-core CPU? I already proved it is.

Not that I expect you could do it but here's your chance.
 

Shadowboxer

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How about proving FX-8350 is not 8-core CPU? I already proved it is.

Not that I expect you could do it but here's your chance.
If you look at the court case and the benchmarks and you still think it’s an 8 core CPU then you need professional help my friend..

I don’t have to prove anything to you, the case was presented to AMD by a lawyer threatening to take it to a judge that their CPUs are not 8 cores and AMD paid them money to not take it to the judge. They practically admitted guilt. If they believed they could have won the case they would have gone to court and defended themselves and it would have cost them nothing,

You definitely know less than these lawyers or AMD themselves. You’re just deluding yourself dude.
 

Strawman

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Actually the fx8350 was an 8 core cpu. There isn't a clear definition on what constitutes a core, there are many core designs out there with more or less shared resources per core. If the fx wasn't an 8 core then there are ARM cpu's out there that don't even have a single core, which obviously doesn't make sense.
 

Strawman

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If you look at the court case and the benchmarks and you still think it’s an 8 core CPU then you need professional help my friend..
Quite the contrary, I think you need the help. I just looked at the benchmarks. Single Core performance on Cinebench11.5 = 1.1 , Multicore Performance from Cinebench 11.5 = 6.89.

Please, explain to me how exactly a 4 core CPU manages to get 7 times more performance from 4 cores than it can from a single core.
 

HardReset

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If you look at the court case and the benchmarks and you still think it’s an 8 core CPU then you need professional help my friend..
Court didn't decide anything. AMD decided to pay off because it probably was cheaper option. Benchmarks? PS4 have 8-core CPU. Much weaker than FX-8350 but still 8-core...
I don’t have to prove anything to you, the case was presented to AMD by a lawyer threatening to take it to a judge that their CPUs are not 8 cores and AMD paid them money to not take it to the judge. They practically admitted guilt. If they believed they could have won the case they would have gone to court and defended themselves and it would have cost them nothing,
Wrong. It was about AMD's advertising, not about if FX-8350 has 8 cores. Again, you're just shouting something random and hope that happens to be true. Usually it isn't.
You definitely know less than these lawyers or AMD themselves. You’re just deluding yourself dude.
Again, case was about advertising. Not about facts.
 

maxxcool7421

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Did you even read that document? That has large amount of false claims and only real point that made sense was AMD's advertising.

One could also make class action lawsuit about Intel claiming E cores are at Skylake performance level.

Most games won't even start is much worse than small advantage on some.

hahahahahah .. ''article'' he says.. that is a legal settlement AMD agreed too in court fillings. They signed off and agreed to the terms, and findings. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

HardReset

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hahahahahah .. ''article'' he says.. that is a legal settlement AMD agreed too in court fillings. They signed off and agreed to the terms, and findings. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yeah because that's only way to make settlement 🤦‍♂️

Once again, court didn't decide anything AND therefore didn't determine which side was right or wrong.
 

poohbear

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Thank you for this amazing article cause this data is gold!!! This is why I love Techspot! :)

Great to see how Alder Lake performs against older gen CPUs with its different cores enabled/disabled...time to finally upgrade my aging 4790k... but it's impressive that a 4770k can outperform the 4E cores of a 12900k!

Also, for gaming the 12700k with its 8P cores & 4E cores is the sweet spot. Those extra 4E cores on the 12900k wouldn't be adding anything for gaming.
 
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Shadowboxer

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Did you read the article? In the 12900K the E cores are crap for gaming. Only the 8 P cores are important. So, it's an 8 core CPU in practice. As games don't use more than 8 cores, you see those benchmarks. The architecture, anyway, as a whole, is not desirable for gamers. Problematic.
Sure, E cores are bad for gaming but P cores are the best cores you can buy for gaming. If you compare the products actual performance at gaming then Intel performs better than Ryzen. Or in other words you are stupid if you pay more money for a Ryzen 5000 series CPU than an Intel alder lake CPU if you are a gamer.
 

Shadowboxer

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Yeah because that's only way to make settlement 🤦‍♂️

Once again, court didn't decide anything AND therefore didn't determine which side was right or wrong.
You are incorrect, companies only settle when they think they will lose the court case. You are just an AMD fanboy who can’t handle the fact that AMD made fools of its customers and are apparently still getting away with that with you.
 

HardReset

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You are incorrect, companies only settle when they think they will lose the court case. You are just an AMD fanboy who can’t handle the fact that AMD made fools of its customers and are apparently still getting away with that with you.
Do some online research about patent trolling. Also, that court case is still 0% proof of anything.

Still waiting for your explanations for these:
Actually the fx8350 was an 8 core cpu. There isn't a clear definition on what constitutes a core, there are many core designs out there with more or less shared resources per core. If the fx wasn't an 8 core then there are ARM cpu's out there that don't even have a single core, which obviously doesn't make sense.
Quite the contrary, I think you need the help. I just looked at the benchmarks. Single Core performance on Cinebench11.5 = 1.1 , Multicore Performance from Cinebench 11.5 = 6.89.

Please, explain to me how exactly a 4 core CPU manages to get 7 times more performance from 4 cores than it can from a single core.
How about sticking with facts and not some imaginary "court would have decided something it did not do"...
 

Shadowboxer

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Do some online research about patent trolling. Also, that court case is still 0% proof of anything.

Still waiting for your explanations for these:


How about sticking with facts and not some imaginary "court would have decided something it did not do"...
You are not worth the effort. You are the village fanboy here and you will not listen to reason if it goes against your beloved AMD. AMD lied to us all, their own lawyers conceded this and paid money to stop it going to a judge who would have punished them. If you don’t think this is an admission of guilt then there is something very sinister wrong with you.
 

HardReset

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You are not worth the effort. You are the village fanboy here and you will not listen to reason if it goes against your beloved AMD. AMD lied to us all, their own lawyers conceded this and paid money to stop it going to a judge who would have punished them. If you don’t think this is an admission of guilt then there is something very sinister wrong with you.
You have no experience on court cases? I personally have. Once I just decided to settle even I had no chance to lose based on facts. But, despite facts, court can decide anything. Even against facts. I know that.

And once again, court case was NOT about if FX-8350 is octa core or not.

So, sticking with facts, still waiting for your proof that FX-8350 is quad core.
 

Strawman

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You are not worth the effort. You are the village fanboy here and you will not listen to reason if it goes against your beloved AMD. AMD lied to us all, their own lawyers conceded this and paid money to stop it going to a judge who would have punished them. If you don’t think this is an admission of guilt then there is something very sinister wrong with you.
I do agree that hardreset is an amd fanboy, but that doesn't change the facts. The FX8350 IS an octacore cpu and performs how an octacore cpu should perform. Just comparing cinebench score between single and multithread proves it honestly.
 

HardReset

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I do agree that hardreset is an amd fanboy, but that doesn't change the facts. The FX8350 IS an octacore cpu and performs how an octacore cpu should perform. Just comparing cinebench score between single and multithread proves it honestly.
Even more facts. This whole "4c8t" thing probably comes from Windows reporting it as that. Because thread scheduling for FX-CPUs works best similar way it works on SMT CPUs: first put threads on available modules (on SMT CPUs: physical cores) and after there are no available modules, put second thread on same module (on SMT CPUs: logical cores). Thread scheduling considered, FX could be considered 4c8t.

However this is what's difference between amateurs and professionals. Amateurs just look at Windows reporting FX-8350 as 4c8t and because Windows says so, it must be true. Professionals know that 4c8t is only because thread scheduling happens to work best that way and it has nothing to do with actual amount of cores.
 

erickmendes

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IF AMD had made the 12th Gen CPUs, Techspot would sound like: "Yeah, AMD made a better CPU, but it's only a few % better, and you will need a new motherboard..."...

We only will see AMD response when it releases the next Ryzen generation... Still, 5000 Ryzen seems like a better option for me right now... A 5800x costs as much as a 12700k.


 

Strawman

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IF AMD had made the 12th Gen CPUs, Techspot would sound like: "Yeah, AMD made a better CPU, but it's only a few % better, and you will need a new motherboard..."...

We only will see AMD response when it releases the next Ryzen generation... Still, 5000 Ryzen seems like a better option for me right now... A 5800x costs as much as a 12700k.
And the 12700 is better on everything, therefore...how is amd a better option?
 

Strawman

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AMD has huge edge on power consumption.
No it doesnt. In light loads and gaming alder lake are waaay more efficient thab anything zen 3 has to offer. In heavy multithreaded workloads only the 5950x has a small edge compared to the 12900k.
Igors lab has run some efficiency benchmarks, the 12900k kills it in most applications.
 

HardReset

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No it doesnt. In light loads and gaming alder lake are waaay more efficient thab anything zen 3 has to offer. In heavy multithreaded workloads only the 5950x has a small edge compared to the 12900k.
Igors lab has run some efficiency benchmarks, the 12900k kills it in most applications.
Once again we see what happens when someone only look at benchmarks without understanding anything of them. https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-ma...ion-einsatz-und-eine-niederlage-fuer-amd-2/9/

Igor's Lab has failed testing. Autocad is known to be trash for many years already. It's not even near "normal workload" and it scales like crap.

Now for efficiency on full load. Maximum power for AM4 CPU's is 142 watts. Yeah, exactly. So how he manages to get 217 watts for 5950? Using PBO perhaps. But AMD says PBO should be disabled on reviews. AMD' so called "inefficiency" happens just because he overclocks AMD CPU's into maximum motherboard can handle. So much about "efficiency" on that review...
 

Strawman

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Once again we see what happens when someone only look at benchmarks without understanding anything of them. https://www.igorslab.de/en/intel-ma...ion-einsatz-und-eine-niederlage-fuer-amd-2/9/

Igor's Lab has failed testing. Autocad is known to be trash for many years already. It's not even near "normal workload" and it scales like crap.

Now for efficiency on full load. Maximum power for AM4 CPU's is 142 watts. Yeah, exactly. So how he manages to get 217 watts for 5950? Using PBO perhaps. But AMD says PBO should be disabled on reviews. AMD' so called "inefficiency" happens just because he overclocks AMD CPU's into maximum motherboard can handle. So much about "efficiency" on that review...
What does "auto cad is trash" even mean? We are talking about power consumption. The 5950x cannot match the performance of a 12900k@125 watts, with or without PBO. So it will lose in efficiency regardless, right? I mean it's simple math, if it can't match the performance running at 217 watts then it won't match the performance running at 142 watts. Therefore, the 12900k running at 125 watts will beat it in efficiency no matter what.

In blender, yes, the 5950x might actually win with PBO off, but it is really close. Of course the rest of the zen 3 will get demolished, especially the 5800x.

So saying that zen 3 has a huge edge in efficiency is an outright lie. Question is, why are you lying for a company that doesn't give a dime about you? I don't get it...
 

HardReset

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What does "auto cad is trash" even mean? We are talking about power consumption. The 5950x cannot match the performance of a 12900k@125 watts, with or without PBO. So it will lose in efficiency regardless, right? I mean it's simple math, if it can't match the performance running at 217 watts then it won't match the performance running at 142 watts. Therefore, the 12900k running at 125 watts will beat it in efficiency no matter what.
Now, Igor's Lab wanted to use software "which reflects the normal workday quite well". Really? AutoCAD reflects normal daily computer usage? Really?

Also AutoCAD is Intel optimized software that also does not scale well when cores are added. Basically they take Intel optimized software, say it reflects real world use ( it does not) and tell that Intel has better power consumption. Paid review if you ask me.
In blender, yes, the 5950x might actually win with PBO off, but it is really close. Of course the rest of the zen 3 will get demolished, especially the 5800x.

So saying that zen 3 has a huge edge in efficiency is an outright lie. Question is, why are you lying for a company that doesn't give a dime about you? I don't get it...
Not even close: https://www.techspot.com/review/2352-intel-core-i7-12700kf/

Blender time:

5900X 594
12700KF 636

Power:

5900X 242
12700KF 279

12700KF is 7 percent slower and consumes 14 percent more power. For "the 5950x might actually win with PBO off, but it is really close": https://www.techspot.com/review/2351-intel-core-i9-12900k/

5950 power 221 watts and 477 seconds

12700KF is 25% slower and consumes 20% more power

5950 beats hands down. Like I said, it's not enough to look at benchmarks. You must also Understand them. When it comes to 5800X (not Zen3), we are talking about downgraded server chip. If that 5800X was just normal desktop CPU, power consumption would be much lower. So Zen3 itself has huge lead in efficiency.

Calling me a liar, well...