Intel lost half a billion dollars last quarter, confirms price increases, Optane shut down

Mr Majestyk

Posts: 1,345   +1,228
Optane was great but it's pretty pointless now with PCIe 5.0 NVME drives at 13GB/s

NO NO NO

Sequential is not as important as random for the majority of people and Optane obliterates the competition. PCI-E 5 SSD's won't make a lick of difference to the user experience but it will run hotter, throttle more, cost more and use more power.
 

Fulljack

Posts: 91   +76
Anyway Intel fake 7nm (10 nm duv) used for alder flame is at least 2 generation behind tsmc n5 euv
fun observation, based on your argument. Zen 2, Zen 3, RDNA, RDNA2, Vega VII, all of them run on "fake" 7nm because TSMC N7 and N7P are still using DUV process.
 

Lounds

Posts: 1,174   +1,075
fun observation, based on your argument. Zen 2, Zen 3, RDNA, RDNA2, Vega VII, all of them run on "fake" 7nm because TSMC N7 and N7P are still using DUV process.
Intel 7 Vs TSMC 7nm is no where near comparable, performance per watt TSMC has intel beat.
 

Watzupken

Posts: 671   +544
But ti doesnt matter. SATA III, NVMe 4.0, or optane, the OS runs no faster. Modern software just isnt coded with flash memory in mind, or there are other programming bottlenecks.
I disagree. We are very used to seeing sequential transfer rate improvement with the usual SSD, but I believe Optane improves on the response/ seek time. Sequential transfer speed improvement does little for most users, which is why it makes little difference in experience between a SATA3 vs NVME SSD to most users. If you recall when you move from a mechanical drive as boot disk to a SATA based SSD , even if the transfer rate is the same, the responsiveness of the SSD system is an order of magnitude better. I still have an Intel G2 SSD where even though it’s limited to SATA2 speed, you can pit it against the new and “faster” mechanical drive, and you will still feel the difference in response time. You don’t feel that Optane is much better mostly because the difference between conventional SSDs and Optane drive is not as significant as compared to mechanical drive to SSD. You need a RAM disk to notice a obvious difference in application launch/ loading time. I feel however, Optane is closer to SSD and less RAM, even though it’s marketed as a hybrid.
 

Nobina

Posts: 3,874   +4,365
If enough people decide not to buy Intel they will be forced to lower the prices, that's that.
 

Watzupken

Posts: 671   +544
fun observation, based on your argument. Zen 2, Zen 3, RDNA, RDNA2, Vega VII, all of them run on "fake" 7nm because TSMC N7 and N7P are still using DUV process.
I’ll be honest to say that none of these XXnm really matter since none of them are true. And I don’t think it has anything to do with DUV or EUV. Do you really think 5nm is really 5nm?
 

Watzupken

Posts: 671   +544
I feel Intel had to increase prices because I believe they are actually cutting into their usual margin just to create that Zen moment. With electricity cost increasing, I believe they will be squeezed on both sides. Having said that, the decision to increase price runs counter to the lowering demand. Given that recession is unavoidable, couple with high inflation, people won’t want to spend more on hardware unless they need to. The enthusiast market is very small and will not materially contribute to demand assuming this market continues buying/ upgrading.
 

Fulljack

Posts: 91   +76
I’ll be honest to say that none of these XXnm really matter since none of them are true. And I don’t think it has anything to do with DUV or EUV. Do you really think 5nm is really 5nm?
I agree. it's just a means to an end. what matters is that the product at hands that you're using. I wouldn't care less if Nvidia releases RTX 4000 on 28nm (even though it's impossible lol), as long as it's an improvement over it's predecessor.
 

Superconductor

Posts: 116   +123
Optane was a joke the first time they tried it ... and it wasn't much better this last Go. The consumer grade SSD's were fraught with problems and the experiece was dog &^%$. Good riddance. Fan bois can go home.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

Posts: 220   +321
It probably is a trend, but that's not the point. If sales are down and you raise prices, will that increase sales? In my experience no.
Probably correct with that.. Also, the aggressive pricing of the 12th gen stack may have had some effect on profit margins too. Something the suits don't like....
 

zamroni111

Posts: 366   +214
fun observation, based on your argument. Zen 2, Zen 3, RDNA, RDNA2, Vega VII, all of them run on "fake" 7nm because TSMC N7 and N7P are still using DUV process.
Zen3 is very likely n7+ euv because of high margin of epyc and zen3+ uses n6 euv
Rdna2 is likely euv too as navi 24 (6500xt) uses n6.
 

Fulljack

Posts: 91   +76
Zen3 is very likely n7+ euv because of high margin of epyc and zen3+ uses n6 euv
Rdna2 is likely euv too as navi 24 (6500xt) uses n6.
Wrong. AMD has clarified that both Zen 3 and RDNA2 are using still using TSMC N7 process, or the performance enhanced node based on N7, that still uses DUV.

The fact that both Zen 2 and Zen 3 are built on the same TSMC N7 process node (the same PDK, although Zen 3 has the latest yield/consistency manufacturing updates from TMSC) also helps in that design portability.
but yes, except that Navi 24 XT are made on TSMC N6, though. but other RDNA2 like Navi 21 or 22 are still built on N7.
 

RaXelliX

Posts: 56   +42
Optane was a joke the first time they tried it ... and it wasn't much better this last Go. The consumer grade SSD's were fraught with problems and the experiece was dog &^%$. Good riddance. Fan bois can go home.
You are referring to the caching drives such as H10. No wonder they were crap. They used first gen QLC and used bifurcation with only x2 link.
PCIe based U.2 models were rock solid.