Intel unveils 13th-gen Core desktop CPUs with more cores, higher frequencies

AlaskaGuy

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I think that this very good, future offer (now only on paper) can be easily contested by 5800X3D, and by future Ryzen 7000-3D variants. What is great is that finally we have options, and more than 2. I like this posture to ask myself should we go for DDR4 or DDR5, Intel or AMD? This is great because nowadays, both Intel and AMD offer us almost equal performance, so we can choose not just by necessity, we can choose for what we like and prefer most.
Intel is the only chip manufacturer that offers both DDR4 and DDR5 support on a new platform(s) RE Alder Lake / Raptor Lake.
 

DSirius

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Intel is the only chip manufacturer that offers both DDR4 and DDR5 support on a new platform(s) RE Alder Lake / Raptor Lake.
This Intel ”new” Z690/Z790 platform which will be obsolete in 1 year and replaced by the new+ platform in 2023? Not quite a good deal.
And new++ socket (platform) will come in 2025, and another new+++ one again in 2027.
While AMD is offering stability and longevity with AM5 platform in all these years.
At the end, all of this will be resumed to user preferences.
 

jbc029

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Intel Core i5 13400F + B660 / B670 board + DDR4 3600


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Lol. Not remotely with DDR4. The 7600x gaps are so much larger against a 12600k on ddr4 vs ddr5. 12600k with DDR5 is arguably the better build right now over a 7600. DDR4 isn't even close.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Lol. Not remotely with DDR4. The 7600x gaps are so much larger against a 12600k on ddr4 vs ddr5. 12600k with DDR5 is arguably the better build right now over a 7600. DDR4 isn't even close.
Not everyone can afford DDR5 atm.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Not everyone can afford DDR5 atm.
So maybe they can hold on until prices comes down?

Or better yet, they can stop following your advice, simce it’s conveniently missing the part that ddr5 does have a performance boost over ddr4, demonstrated on *gasp* intel cpus!
 

AlaskaGuy

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So maybe they can hold on until prices comes down?

Or better yet, they can stop following your advice, simce it’s conveniently missing the part that ddr5 does have a performance boost over ddr4, demonstrated on *gasp* intel cpus!
I post anywhere from 2 - 6 new builds on average a day on Toms Hardware and those people are from all over the world including India, Serbia, Malaysia, etc ... and it's not like all those people are loaded with money. For every DDR5 build I post, I'm posting a half dozen DDR4 builds due to the OP's budget constraint. Ya a Ferrari will go faster than say a Ford Escape, but not everyone can afford a Ferrari.

I'm Why_Me on that site, TPU, Guru3D, PC Gamer, etc .. I post builds for a hobby.

 

waclark

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I love how they made the 5800X3D a tiny horizontal bar on the gaming performance chart, to make it tougher to see that it beat their best Raptor Lake chip in at least 3 of the games listed.....lol.
EDIT: Seems they used the fastest, highest quality ram for their Intel chips.....while using slow, gimped ram for the AMD chips, as well. I imagine the 5800X3D might have taken the top spot in all the games on the chart (or close) if they had also used fast ram for the AMD measurements.
It's a confusing graph to be sure. I'll wait for independent analysis to see what the real numbers are. That said, I don't think the RAM is the issue here. First, they were using DDR4 3200 CL14 versus DDR5 5600 CL28. That's not the top-end DDR5 (or DDR4). I think this simply points out that some games are less sensitive to the CPU used. As others have postulated in the past, there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the CPU, especially for gaming. Save your money, get a lesser CPU and pump those savings into the GPU. Of course, content creation is a different animal so you really have to decide what you're doing with your machine.
 

Revolution 11

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I post anywhere from 2 - 6 new builds on average a day on Toms Hardware and those people are from all over the world including India, Serbia, Malaysia, etc ... and it's not like all those people are loaded with money. For every DDR5 build I post, I'm posting a half dozen DDR4 builds due to the OP's budget constraint. Ya a Ferrari will go faster than say a Ford Escape, but not everyone can afford a Ferrari.

I'm Why_Me on that site, TPU, Guru3D, PC Gamer, etc .. I post builds for a hobby.

Same here, I am recommending Zen 3 builds to anyone who does not need the very top end of CPU performance for cost reasons. Just the motherboard alone saves like $150 to $200 on budget.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Same here, I am recommending Zen 3 builds to anyone who does not need the very top end of CPU performance for cost reasons. Just the motherboard alone saves like $150 to $200 on budget.
The most popular new gaming builds I see are B660 + i5 12400F. Something such as this for example.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NTPPSBP
MSI MAG B660M Bazooka DDR4 $129.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...512400f_core_i5_12400f_desktop_processor.html
Intel Core i5-12400F $174.99

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Blue-Compatible/dp/B00JQ2YDCY/
DeepCool GAMMAXX400 CPU Cooler $19.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T637L7T
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 3200MHz 16GB (2x8GB) CL16 $48.99

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming benchmarks.

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waclark

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And?

Why would you want to use DDR4 when the industry is moving to DDR5?
Fine, you have DDR4 now and perhaps can use it for a little bit longer, if thats the case, upgrading the CPU to either camp is not really worth it for you.
For the rest, if you are moving on, move all the way, CPU. mobo and ddr5.
For one thing, DDR5 doesn't show significant performance increases and they can be 2-3x what DDR4 costs. Saving $100 or more on RAM can be applied to the GPU where it will have a greater impact on gaming performance. On top of that DDR5 mobos tend to be more expensive than DDR4. That's changing a little but most DDR5 mobos go for $200+.

If you're upgrading and you have a recently built system, a new GPU is probably the best investment. After that a new CPU. If you're building from the ground up, I think Intel 12/13th gen (Core i5), DDR4 and a new GPU is probably a good way to go that will cost less and perform well, though it won't be the best of the best.
 

waclark

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The most popular new gaming builds I see are B660 + i5 12400F. Something such as this for example.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NTPPSBP
MSI MAG B660M Bazooka DDR4 $129.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...512400f_core_i5_12400f_desktop_processor.html
Intel Core i5-12400F $174.99

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Blue-Compatible/dp/B00JQ2YDCY/
DeepCool GAMMAXX400 CPU Cooler $19.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T637L7T
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 3200MHz 16GB (2x8GB) CL16 $48.99

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming benchmarks.

i512400.jpg
I did something similar for my grandson. Went 12th gen for CPU (Core i5), DDR4 and a 3070 GPU. It's a good build that he can upgrade to 13th gen and a new GPU later on. He should get 3-5. years of use out of it.
 

NeoMorpheus

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For one thing, DDR5 doesn't show significant performance increases and they can be 2-3x what DDR4 costs. Saving $100 or more on RAM can be applied to the GPU where it will have a greater impact on gaming performance. On top of that DDR5 mobos tend to be more expensive than DDR4. That's changing a little but most DDR5 mobos go for $200+.

If you're upgrading and you have a recently built system, a new GPU is probably the best investment. After that a new CPU. If you're building from the ground up, I think Intel 12/13th gen (Core i5), DDR4 and a new GPU is probably a good way to go that will cost less and perform well, though it won't be the best of the best.
Are we reading the same reviews?

Because the same intel cpu results are better with ddr5 than ddr4.

The rest of your response was already addressed by my post.
 

waclark

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Are we reading the same reviews?

Because the same intel cpu results are better with ddr5 than ddr4.

The rest of your response was already addressed by my post.
The gaming reviews I have seen pitting DDR4 against DDR5 show minimal gains. Check this article on TS. Here's the summary:

Depending on the games you play, DDR5 memory can offer little to no performance gain, and this will be true for most titles. The best performing examples show up to a 20% boost which is significant, and here we're comparing premium DDR4-3600 memory to premium DDR5-6000, with the DDR5 kit coming in at a ~70% price premium

Some games actually run slower, if you can imagine that. Prices are coming down on DDR5 and that will change the equation over time.
 

NeoMorpheus

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The gaming reviews I have seen pitting DDR4 against DDR5 show minimal gains. Check this article on TS. Here's the summary:



Some games actually run slower, if you can imagine that. Prices are coming down on DDR5 and that will change the equation over time.
I will need to revisit this, because I recall seeing better numbers for DDR5 on more recent reviews.

Talking about that, I seem to recall reading about next gen games taking advantage of DDR5.
Anyways, my points stand, if you cant do it now, then dont and as always, the main "issue" with buying is that you buy now to keep it for a least 5 years maybe? so yes, future proofing is a thing to consider.