Latest Steam survey shows AMD rebounding, an excellent month for Ampere, and a Windows...

Puiu

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Hey I'm not knocking your dollar store hardware choices.

You do you.
I agree with NeoMorpheus. When you limit yourself to just marketing fluff then you can't make informed decisions.

I may not like Nvidia and Intel, but I don't buy hardware based on my feelings. I buy what allows me to work better at the budget I set, and sometimes that means AMD and other times Intel or Nvidia.

I don't dismiss any of them. At most I might go with an AMD CPU over Intel if the price is very similar. The GPU is much more complicated.
 

Beerfloat

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I agree with NeoMorpheus. When you limit yourself to just marketing fluff then you can't make informed decisions.

I may not like Nvidia and Intel, but I don't buy hardware based on my feelings. I buy what allows me to work better at the budget I set, and sometimes that means AMD and other times Intel or Nvidia.

I don't dismiss any of them. At most I might go with an AMD CPU over Intel if the price is very similar. The GPU is much more complicated.

What marketing fluff? The Nvidia GPU ecosystem is second to none.

I think it'd be great for AMD to become competitive again on GPUs, like they are with CPUs, but it's going to take research dollars and innovation, not just lowballing the market with me-too almost good enough copies of features.
 

Beerfloat

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If that means that as a consumer I look out for the companies that do care for consumers, then yes, call it negative...agains anti-consumer companies.

'Care for consumers'?

As if AMD doesn't raise their prices as soon as they can get away with it. Please. This is all just selective outrage based on your feels.
 

Bawlsdeep

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This is very sad tho. AMD finally have decent GPU's and then they can't deliver. Steam HW Survey does not lie, Ampere is everywhere, yet there is barely any Radeon 6000 cards present.

I hope chip production at TSMC goes up soon. AMD suffers from the low output. Nvidia probably saw this coming and went Samsung instead. TSMC has been overbooked for sure in the last 12-18 months.

Maybe AMD has to fulfill a contract with Sony and Microsoft and have to prioritize console APUs over desktop CPUs and GPUs. Who knows. It's just strange that most higher end AMD stuff is mising in action and very hard to get; 5900X, 5950X, 6800XT and 6900XT all have insanely low marketshare.

AMD have mostly been shipping 5600X, 5800X and 6700XT + 6800 NON-XT
 

NeoMorpheus

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'Care for consumers'?

As if AMD doesn't raise their prices as soon as they can get away with it. Please. This is all just selective outrage based on your feels.
Since you do like to move the goalpost, then let me move mine.

After all the illegal cr@p that intel and Nvidia has done to AMD, which ended costing them BILLIONS, then fine, raise the price enough to recoup within a reasonable level.

Talking about that, lets see how much intel asked for anything higher than 4 cores or how nvidia raised the hell up on the RT20 line, when they somehow knew that AMD was not going to have a competitive GPU...
 

Puiu

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What marketing fluff? The Nvidia GPU ecosystem is second to none.

I think it'd be great for AMD to become competitive again on GPUs, like they are with CPUs, but it's going to take research dollars and innovation, not just lowballing the market with me-too almost good enough copies of features.
"Nvidia ecosystem" - You are missing the point entirely. Different people have different needs.

I also believe that Nvidia has better software support, but I refuse to buy 8GB high-end cards in 2021. That's just a scam in my opinion (bait for future Nvidia product upgrades).

For example, if I were to buy a GPU now I would want to get the full 16GB of VRAM in the 6800 even if it is slightly slower in Blender than the 3070. The difference is huge when it comes to more complex scenes (read as large), I won't have to fiddle with them as much or at all. (coincidentally it's also faster in games)

The login requirement also annoys me to hell and back every time I need to open the Nvidia panel. It's like they are trying to piss me off.
 

HardReset

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This is very sad tho. AMD finally have decent GPU's and then they can't deliver. Steam HW Survey does not lie, Ampere is everywhere, yet there is barely any Radeon 6000 cards present.
Steam survey simply sucks. According to Steam survey, Intel Haswell have more market share than any AMD 6000 series GPU. Problem? Intel Haswell GPU does not exist.

There goes your "proof" :D
I hope chip production at TSMC goes up soon. AMD suffers from the low output. Nvidia probably saw this coming and went Samsung instead. TSMC has been overbooked for sure in the last 12-18 months.
No. Nvidia just wanted to save money. Nvidia also knew that nobody really cared about higher power consumption.
Maybe AMD has to fulfill a contract with Sony and Microsoft and have to prioritize console APUs over desktop CPUs and GPUs. Who knows. It's just strange that most higher end AMD stuff is mising in action and very hard to get; 5900X, 5950X, 6800XT and 6900XT all have insanely low marketshare.

AMD have mostly been shipping 5600X, 5800X and 6700XT + 6800 NON-XT
Once again, Steam survey is not any indication abou market share. Even less it tells about availability. AMD's high end stuff have very good avalability currently.

Also AMD knows very well what will happen when crypto coins lose value enough. Nvidia knows too. Both could make at least somewhat more GPU's but limit production for that reason.
 

NeoMorpheus

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The login requirement also annoys me to hell and back every time I need to open the Nvidia panel. It's like they are trying to piss me off.
Thanks for reminding me of that one!

Really? need an account just to get a notification of a driver update?

Also, when they decided to install and gather telemetry from your system without asking your permission?


I recently installed AMD drivers suite on a system and the last screen was asking for consent in receiving anonymous data.

Little things like this do add up.

But of course, I would be accused of being a rabid fanboi by the ones defending the companies that dont give a f.. about you as a consumer and see you as cattle.
 

Bawlsdeep

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Steam survey simply sucks. According to Steam survey, Intel Haswell have more market share than any AMD 6000 series GPU. Problem? Intel Haswell GPU does not exist.

There goes your "proof" :D

No. Nvidia just wanted to save money. Nvidia also knew that nobody really cared about higher power consumption.

Once again, Steam survey is not any indication abou market share. Even less it tells about availability. AMD's high end stuff have very good avalability currently.

Also AMD knows very well what will happen when crypto coins lose value enough. Nvidia knows too. Both could make at least somewhat more GPU's but limit production for that reason.

Intel Haswell GPU is HD4000 series, lol.

Codename: Haswell GT1


Tons of CPU's had HD4X00 GPU. My proof is back It seems :joy:


Ampere outsold RNDA2 like 14:1 so far. It was a smart move by Nvidia to go with Samsung instead of TSMC.

All Ampere cards are listed in huge numbers on Steam, pretty much no Radeon 6000 are present. Sad but true.
 
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Bawlsdeep

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The login requirement also annoys me to hell and back every time I need to open the Nvidia panel. It's like they are trying to piss me off.

What are you talking about, you don't need to login to open Nvidia Control Panel haha, you can login in to Experience but it is optional, just like the application itself is optional.. :joy: simply don't install it.
 

Beerfloat

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Steam survey simply sucks. According to Steam survey, Intel Haswell have more market share than any AMD 6000 series GPU. Problem? Intel Haswell GPU does not exist.

There goes your "proof" :D

Intel driver .inf
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C02 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTL Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C06 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTL Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C12 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTM Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C16 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTM Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C22 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTH Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C26 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTH Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0D06 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GT1CW Haswell Crystal Well
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0D16 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GT2CW Haswell Crystal Well

You people. SMH.
 

Beerfloat

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This is very sad tho. AMD finally have decent GPU's and then they can't deliver. Steam HW Survey does not lie, Ampere is everywhere, yet there is barely any Radeon 6000 cards present.

I hope chip production at TSMC goes up soon. AMD suffers from the low output. Nvidia probably saw this coming and went Samsung instead. TSMC has been overbooked for sure in the last 12-18 months.

Maybe AMD has to fulfill a contract with Sony and Microsoft and have to prioritize console APUs over desktop CPUs and GPUs. Who knows. It's just strange that most higher end AMD stuff is mising in action and very hard to get; 5900X, 5950X, 6800XT and 6900XT all have insanely low marketshare.

AMD have mostly been shipping 5600X, 5800X and 6700XT + 6800 NON-XT

AMD's TSMC wafer allocation is going to CPUs where possible. The good dies are saved for Epyc. GPUs are available in small quantities but not selling that well. On the whole though, AMD is supply constrained. Everyone saw it coming, including Nvidia, and pricing made Samsung appealing.
 

Bawlsdeep

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AMD's TSMC wafer allocation is going to CPUs where possible. The good dies are saved for Epyc. GPUs are available in small quantities but not selling that well. On the whole though, AMD is supply constrained. Everyone saw it coming, including Nvidia, and pricing made Samsung appealing.
GPUs not selling well? Ehh.. If they were in stock and priced near MSRP they would sell like hotcakes right now and AMD would grab tons of marketshare
 

Beerfloat

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GPUs not selling well? Ehh.. If they were in stock and priced near MSRP they would sell like hotcakes right now and AMD would grab tons of marketshare

Sure, but, well, they aren't.

And what is available does not command the same premium that Nvidia's cards do, showing less pent up demand.

As for hypotheticals, what if they were available at MSRP, but Ampere was too? Would they still grab marketshare?

Maybe RDNA3 will change things, though. AMD is certainly brimming with confidence now. Downright haughty.
 

HardReset

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Intel Haswell GPU is HD4000 series, lol.

Codename: Haswell GT1


Tons of CPU's had HD4X00 GPU. My proof is back It seems :joy:
No. That's just how one site classifies Intel HD Graphics. That's not official info. Haswell is CPU architecture, not GPU.
Ampere outsold RNDA2 like 14:1 so far. It was a smart move by Nvidia to go with Samsung instead of TSMC.

All Ampere cards are listed in huge numbers on Steam, pretty much no Radeon 6000 are present. Sad but true.
Again Steam Survey lists nonexistent GPU's so it does not tell anything about anything.


Intel driver .inf
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C02 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTL Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C06 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTL Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C12 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTM Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C16 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTM Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C22 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTH Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0C26 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GTH Haswell
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0D06 Intel Haswell⁸ HD Graphics - GT1CW Haswell Crystal Well
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0D16 Intel Haswell HD Graphics - GT2CW Haswell Crystal Well

You people. SMH.
And? That reads: Intel Haswell CPU with Intel HD Graphics. Very clear as there also reads: Haswell Crystal Well. Haswell = CPU, Crystal Well = GPU.

Officially Intel Haswell GPU still does not exist.
 

Beerfloat

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And? That reads: Intel Haswell CPU with Intel HD Graphics. Very clear as there also reads: Haswell Crystal Well. Haswell = CPU, Crystal Well = GPU.

Officially Intel Haswell GPU still does not exist.

Crystal Well is actually the EDRAM in Iris Pro configurations.
They are all lumped together by the common driver identifier.

Just like "AMD Radeon R7" is in the list as an amalgamation of a bunch of GPUs.

Stop the noise.
 

HardReset

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Crystal Well is actually the EDRAM in Iris Pro configurations.
They are all lumped together by the common driver identifier.
Crystall Well is supposed to be only L4 cache but since all Crystall Well equipped CPU's also have Iris Pro graphics, it's OK.
Just like "AMD Radeon R7" is there as an amalgamation of a bunch of GPUs.

Stop the noise.
Never heard about Radeon CPU. Likewise never heard about Zen GPU or Ryzen GPU.

Once again, Haswell is CPU. Haswell is NOT GPU!
 

Beerfloat

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Crystall Well is supposed to be only L4 cache but since all Crystall Well equipped CPU's also have Iris Pro graphics, it's OK.

Never heard about Radeon CPU. Likewise never heard about Zen GPU or Ryzen GPU.

Once again, Haswell is CPU. Haswell is NOT GPU!

Cool story, bro

Intel-Corporation-Intel-Haswell-HD-Graphics---GT2ULT_1410340.jpg
 

Beerfloat

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That is: Intel HD graphics driver for CPU using Haswell architecture. There still does not read Haswell GPU.

Show Official info that Haswell GPU exists. Good luck.

You're making a distinction that is irrelevant.

There are drivers around that identify Intel HD Graphics as "Intel Haswell HD Graphics". Likewise for Broadwell, Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge. Which is why they show up in the Steam survey.

The survey that you're trying to disparage because you don't like the outcome.

It's not complicated.
 

HardReset

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Now Steam survey shows huge marketshare gains for AMD Radeon HD 8800 Series: 0.46% 0.51% 0.58 0.62% 0.70%

Ok. Wtf is Radeon HD 8800 series? Radeon 8000 series is rebranded Radeon HD 7000 series.
Radeon 8000 series came out 2012! Additionally Radeon 8000 series contained 15 models and out of those 15 models only 3 were 8800-series! Lately AMD has mostly gained most market share with few 9 year old OEM cards :joy:

Like I have said before, only *****s believe what Steam survey says.
 

HardReset

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You're making a distinction that is irrelevant.

There are drivers around that identify Intel HD Graphics as "Intel Haswell HD Graphics". Likewise for Broadwell, Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge. Which is why they show up in the Steam survey.

The survey that you're trying to disparage because you don't like the outcome.

It's not complicated.
Claiming that CPU is GPU is more than enough to prove that survey I not to be taken seriously. It just proves Steam detects GPU's incorrectly. Just like above, 9 year old Radeon HD 8800 series seems to sell like hotcakes...

No matter what driver reports, you just cannot accept CPU as GPU or other way around.
 

Beerfloat

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Claiming that CPU is GPU is more than enough to prove that survey I not to be taken seriously. It just proves Steam detects GPU's incorrectly. Just like above, 9 year old Radeon HD 8800 series seems to sell like hotcakes...

No matter what driver reports, you just cannot accept CPU as GPU or other way around.

Oh. So you're saying that they should ignore the driver string. What would you have them do instead? Make something up?

Hey look under Linux lspci also lists it as Intel Haswell Integrated Graphics. Looks like Linux needs a HardReset.
 

HardReset

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Oh. So you're saying that they should ignore the driver string. What would you have them do instead? Make something up?

Hey look under Linux lspci also lists it as Intel Haswell Integrated Graphics. Looks like Linux needs a HardReset.
Ignore driver strings that are clearly incorrect or make better detection software.

Intel Haswell integrated graphics mean Haswell CPU that has GPU. It still does not mean Haswell GPU, it still does not exist.