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Leaked Intel roadmap shows its 10nm desktop CPUs won't arrive until 2022

By midian182 · 26 replies
Apr 26, 2019
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  1. The leaked roadmap comes courtesy of Dutch site Tweakers. Bear in mind that we can’t 100 percent guarantee its authenticity.

    When it comes to desktop chips, it appears Intel is keeping with the 14nm++ process for a while. The Comet Lake-S processors, which were recently reported to have up to 10 cores, will launch around the second quarter of 2020. After this comes Rocket Lake-S, which will also be based on the 14nm process, albeit a further refined one.

    This suggests we won’t see a 10nm desktop Core CPU until 2022, which is when Intel is expected to release its Ocean Cove processor architecture, which follows 2021’s Golden Cove and 2020’s Willow Cove.

    Things are a bit different on the mobile front, where the first 10nm Ice Lake chips are scheduled to arrive later this year. The process will be used for low-powered U-series and Y-series chips, but the slide has it down as “limited” production, which means we won’t see Ice Lake CPUs in too many devices. We can expect to see more Comet Lake-U CPUs and other 14nm-based mobile chips in the future: the H and G series appear to be sticking with this process until at least 2021.

    The chart also mentions Rocket Lake-U. Based on the 14nm process and set to launch in the middle of next year, these chips have up to six cores combined with a 10nm-based GPU.

    Intel has been struggling with 10nm for some time. The company claimed in its recent earnings report that it expects to ship more 10nm Ice Lake-U parts than anticipated. But having to wait years before seeing mainstream desktop parts based on this process is disappointing, especially with AMD’s Ryzen 3000-series CPUs, based on 7nm Zen 2 architecture, on their way.

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  2. trparky

    trparky TS Evangelist Posts: 534   +427

    Intel is screwed.
     
  3. gigantor21

    gigantor21 TS Maniac Posts: 172   +233

    Wasn't this originally supposed to happen in 2016?
     
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  4. Vulcanproject

    Vulcanproject TS Evangelist Posts: 736   +1,065

    Early production was supposed to be 2015 for Intel's 10nm.....

    This doesn't seem possible. Another three years for desktop 10nm? That cannot be right. It's too far away, the company would be better off just farming out manufacturing if they really have to wait that long.
     
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  5. dj2017

    dj2017 TS Maniac Posts: 160   +167

    The same was said when Intel was behind AMD's Athlon64. But Intel had OEMs in it's pockets and Pentium 4s where keep selling better than Athlons. Intel doesn't have OEMs in it's pockets today, not as much as it had them 15 years ago, but they are still very depended on Intel and they will never risk going mostly AMD. Intel will keep selling better than AMD, unfortunately, at least for the next couple of years. AMD NEEDS to stay ahead for many years before we see Intel to start having problems.
     
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  6. ShagnWagn

    ShagnWagn TS Guru Posts: 726   +559

    Two things holding me back from building a new rig:

    1. Video card price/performance is still way behind the curve. I haven't really seen any notable gains for me to upgrade at the price they want.
    2. Waiting for an overclocking gem CPU, such as the i7 920 and q6600 were. My main rig has a 6700k, which was an overclocking disappointment, but it is still fast enough for my needs. My main rig at the time was the 920 at 6-7 years old.
     
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  7. Cubi Dorf

    Cubi Dorf TS Booster Posts: 144   +51

    I am being curious if many people will buy alternate brand or stay customer loyalty.
     
  8. Morris Minor

    Morris Minor TS Addict Posts: 109   +54

    Depends what amd do
     
  9. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,891   +2,218

    There was a period of a few months when ryzen 2 came out that it out sold Intel even to OEMs.

    AMD might still be behind(in some areas) on the high end, but the price performance of their low end chips is absurdly better than Intel's. OEMs don't play fanboi, they play "we need to build the best product we can for as cheap as possible".
     
  10. netman

    netman TS Addict Posts: 315   +99

    "Leaked Intel roadmap shows its 10nm desktop CPUs won't arrive until 2022"

    And after that they will have several iteration of 10nm such as "+", "++", "+++", "++++" and on and on. We won't see the 7nm parts until 2030! Good luck Intel!
     
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  11. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,979   +2,285

    Didn't sIntel get taken to court for having the OEMs in its pocket, I.e., an anti-trust lawsuit?

    If they did, they will likely not try to pull the same thing again.

    Assuming the rumors are true, it does not bode well for sIntel.
     
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  12. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Evangelist Posts: 586   +193

    Reebok has a better shot ousting Nike, than AMD ousting Intel. Art of war baby, Intel knows what it's doing and I'm not flinching just yet.
     
  13. ShadowDeath

    ShadowDeath TS Booster Posts: 115   +48

    It was also illegal and Intel got caught doing it. Just think though.. Intel's 10nm in 2022... while AMD is most certainly looking at 5nm now. Funny how Intel can have all that money and fall behind AMD like they did. That's got to be embarrassing.
     
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  14. Lew Zealand

    Lew Zealand TS Guru Posts: 671   +568

    Any Intel chip shortage happens as a result of Intel selling everything it can make to the OEMs, who already have their high CPU volume contracts sewed up. You and I get whatever leftovers we can afford to pay for.

    That means high margin i9-9900Ks, not Pentium Gold 5400s or even Core i5-8259Us (Intel's own i5 NUCs have been OOS for a while now).

    With this news, for the first time I think AMD will be able to gain big consumer market share from Intel purely on availability alone, as long as their 7nm chips match Intel's IPC and clocks.
     
  15. Nightfire

    Nightfire TS Addict Posts: 238   +144

    Why would Comet Lake and Rocket Lake be released for Xeon first. This has never been the case.
     
  16. lexster

    lexster TS Maniac Posts: 466   +233

    They're getting there if they don't forge ahead. 2022 for 10nm? When TSMC is already pumping out 7nm and is ready to begin 5nm soon Intel needs to make progress.
     
  17. poohbear

    poohbear TS Maniac Posts: 296   +210

    Still on a 4790k, and had a 2500k before that. If this is true, then I'm upgrading next year to an AMD chip. Haven't had one since the athlon 64 days, but good to know competition is back! Intel seems to have deprioritized desktop CPUs, its not a money maker for them so they just dont care. Ill go with AMD then.
     
  18. Crazycatman

    Crazycatman TS Rookie

    Intel has better chance at making a Sports-Wear company then lol
     
  19. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,979   +2,285

    As I see it, the only place where sIntel has a lead is in IPCs and clocks - which seem to mostly count in the gamer market. Outside that arena, AMD is proving itself to be an effective competitor.

    It won't be long now before AMD reveals what it has up its sleeve. It will be interesting to see, but it won't mean the end of AMD if what they release does not please the gamer market.
    Because AMD caught them with their pants down in the server market and is gaining a foothold in that market that sIntel cannot afford to laugh off or ignore.
     
  20. Nightfire

    Nightfire TS Addict Posts: 238   +144

    Xeon E is labeled as server but it is not really a 'server chip' per se. They are just desktop parts with no o/c and ecc support. Basically, for every Xeon E part they sell, they are really selling one less Core desktop part. It is a zero sum gain. It has just been the case that Xeons are launched later as they get less press coverage of a new architecture or node.
     
  21. Bullwinkle M

    Bullwinkle M TS Booster Posts: 134   +70

    So many FanBoys, so little time!

    Lets be honest, if Intel advertised like AMD, then Intel has already mastered the 7nm node and is currently stockpiling 5nm chips!

    Seriously though, when AMD can match the clocks and IPC of Intel's 14nm chips from last year, then AMD will finally have mastered actual 14nm instead of the imaginary node the fanboys think they are on

    By then, Intel will be way ahead on a factual node
     
  22. Nightfire

    Nightfire TS Addict Posts: 238   +144

    It seems you haven't been keeping up with current events. Intel has advertised they were 'shipping' 10nn since late 2017. Actual 10nn desktop is still nowhere in sight. Just as laughable is when the released their "9th gen" hedt parts last year. Most expected a 14nm++ part but instead we got SkylakeX with solder. At last, Intel will be launching the 14nm++ hedt parts in the form of Cascade Lake later this year.

    Meanwhile, AMD is indeed launching 7nm in about a month.

    The latest rumor, as of today, is that Ryzen 3 was hitting 4.5 ghz turbo with a 15% IPC boost. If that leak is even half true, AMD has already completely closed the gap. Oh and with more cores for around the same price to boot.
     
  23. jpuroila

    jpuroila TS Enthusiast Posts: 62   +32

    Wow, it's almost like the only fans Intel has left are the ones who are totally clueless. You do realize that a)AMD already matches Intel in IPC and b)that has literally nothing to do with the process node, right? Literally the ONLY advantage Intel has left is higher clocks...
     
  24. Bullwinkle M

    Bullwinkle M TS Booster Posts: 134   +70

    Wow, that's fantastic!
    I never knew that AMD finally matched Intel in IPC (per core/per clock)

    That is AMAZING that AMD has come so far as to match Instructions "per core" to Intel

    Please link me to the Info you have on AMD's amazing IPC

    If it turns out to be factually correct that AMD can match the performance "per core" to a Top Intel chip at the same frequency, then I'm ALL IN!

    Can they also match the power requirements "per core" ?
    If they can, I'd suspect that AMD's 7nm is approximately equal to Intel's 14nm

    Hope so cuz I'm ready to buy TODAY!
    Just waiting for that link now

    Today Man, TODAY!
     
  25. jpuroila

    jpuroila TS Enthusiast Posts: 62   +32

    https://www.techspot.com/article/1616-4ghz-ryzen-2nd-gen-vs-core-8th-gen/
    https://digiworthy.com/2018/06/14/amd-ryzen-intel-coffee-lake-ipc/

    As you can see, with equal clocks, the R5 2600x performs on par with the 8700k - better in some applications, worse in others(notably gaming).
     

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