Microsoft updates Windows 11 minimum system requirements, reinstates PC Health Check app

hahahanoobs

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It's caps mate, not in person, my ears aren't ringing, and I very much doubt yours are either, and being in caps doesn't make his, mine, or others experiences any less true nor less valid (just as it doesn't make yours any less valid either), and I don't see you complaining about anyone else using caps (even others you are replying to in this very post), only when what is being said doesn't suit you.

And as I said, we are stubborn creatures, and you are just as stubborn as the rest of us, and want your voice to heard above all others, even though you are a sample size of one yourself, just like others you complain about, funny that, not a two way street for you it seems, only your experience is important, not his, mine, nor the others who up-voted the post (or the many other users out there who had issues), only your lone experience is what counts, and so only your voice is allowed to be heard, how very strange indeed, all others shall submit to your lone personal experience, as only your lone experience and opinion counts, how very hypocritical of you indeed.

Shall we make it that everyone else say only what agrees with you (after your approval of course), because only your experience counts (obviously), and we shall do so only without caps as well (unless its a post that agrees with you or doesn't bother you, then it is fine), any other conditions we should be made aware of? Or did I get them all? Or how about no one else ever post or share their own experience, and this can be your personal forum only sharing yours as only yours (and those that agree with you) is ever valid, and then you can have your purely one sided narrative determined by your experience alone? But luckily, you alone are not in charge, and we are allowed to voice ourselves, now should we just leave it at that, or would you like to continue?.
Screeching warnings to people because you had a bad experience is never cool.
 

mAdmAnDingo

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Okay, so it is not his or others experience you are taking issue with, but instead with the vague and overly dramatic manner in which it was delivered? Fair enough, my apologies, I think I misunderstood you somewhat, but I get it, drama is not the ideal manner in which to convey oneself, and you don't want all users to be put off automatically by our posts either, so if that is your concern, then I get it.

But users can and should just test W11 for themselves (as with all PC software), no one will know unless they try it themselves on their own setup (and that's pretty easy to do on PC), and it could work out great for them (and if not they can revert), so I do think that is how it should be approached, just give it a bash and see if you are interested (which many are), and just do your routine backups of sensitive/important data if using your main drive (as should be expected, not a warning, just common accepted PC practices).

And it doesn't cost anything to try it either (it is a free upgrade for a large portion of users). But if user would rather wait till later before they upgrade (for whatever reasons), then that is absolutely fine as well, it really is up to the individual to decide, and I trust others are capable of making their own decisions (at least I would hope so).
 
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ZedRM

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Techies and enthusiasts don't need someone screeching orders to them in the comments.
"Screeching orders"? I gave no orders. I'm just giving a prediction of how us users are going to react. Based on history of past BS M$ has pulled, this prediction is unlikely to be incorrect.

What techies and power users don't need is people mucking about in the way they compute. So you can just hush. You know, put a cork in it? Yeah, you know...
 

mAdmAnDingo

Posts: 87   +76
Now here is were I might be in the minority, but I'd prefer to pay for my copy of Windows. Free is nice, but I have no problems paying for my stuff.
My copies are paid for as well, I like to have a hard copy in box myself, they sit nicely alongside all my OS boxes going back years (all the way to the 80's, with MS DOS 4.01 being my eldest in box MS OS, but I have a selection of in box OS from other makers as well), and I quite like the Windows USB variants as well.

But I think you might be correct, and that we are in the minority, MS stance with W10 onward being free upgrades for a large portion of users has likely seen to that, understandably so, a free OS is a pretty tempting deal if you ask me, and nothing wrong with an user who took MS up on their offer with W10 (and also for the upcoming W11 for whatever portion of those users upgrade as well).

But who knows, maybe we are both wrong and there are more of us than we think. And I know that you can get cheap W10 keys as well, so perhaps those have been purchased by some on these forums, but I prefer hard copy boxes myself, but that is just personal preference and is something I have been doing for years (I guess you could say I like to collect, my in box games library is also extensive and dates back to the 80's as well, with a particular fondness for Sierra/Lucasarts adventure games as those were some of my favorite titles that I grew up with, but my collection is quite varied consisting of multiple genre, so it is fairly extensive, much to the missus chagrin).

But with my work setup, I will wait till W11 is nice and mature, and then I will pick up the latest version off shelves at the time, I am more cautious overall, especially because it is my work setup that cant afford downtime, as they are literally my money makers, but I might give W11 a bash sooner than that if I have time to build a PC out of the spare parts I have lying around here just to tinker (I enjoy messing around with new OS and software like many of us), but I am not sure if/when that would be with my current schedule.
 
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hahahanoobs

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"Screeching orders"? I gave no orders. I'm just giving a prediction of how us users are going to react. Based on history of past BS M$ has pulled, this prediction is unlikely to be incorrect.

What techies and power users don't need is people mucking about in the way they compute. So you can just hush. You know, put a cork in it? Yeah, you know...
A prediction?
How about predicting how long people you think need to be warned should wait before using W11, hmm?

That's kind of important. It's like saying, don't drink the water and not saying for how long. Doesn't help that the warning is coming from a stranger using caps to give a vague warning especially. Hence my disagreement with it.

This whole anti-big company thing that goes on is laughable whenever I see it. Treating companies like teams or political parties.

ust love the tech and use comments to help improve it, not to attack it whenever the name of a company you don't like is in a headline with insults and things brought from decades ago. If everyone held grudges like that in their personal lives they'd be some pretty lonely people. Same applies here.
 

Dimitrios

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Like I said before all of this something sketchy is up with Microsoft and INTEL. As time goes on study how Microsoft will favor INTEL.

I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of person but back track INTEL's shadiness since the early 1990's.Like I said watch Microsoft/Intel very closely.
 

ZedRM

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but I prefer hard copy boxes myself
We could not agree more on this point! Right there with you.
a free OS is a pretty tempting deal if you ask me, and nothing wrong with an user who took MS up on their offer with W10 (and also for the upcoming W11 for whatever portion of those users upgrade as well).
I would prefer to pay for my software rather than leave the door open for M$(or anyone else) to say: "We gave it to you for free so you will run it our way!". Not something I'm ever going to tolerate. My PC, my rules, always.

Doesn't help that the warning is coming from a stranger using caps to give a vague warning especially.
There is nothing wrong with using CAPS to emphasize a word as a part of making a larger point. It's a basic part of how textual communication works. I think read that in a book somewhere...
This whole anti-big company thing that goes on is laughable whenever I see it.
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not "Anti-BigBusiness". Big-Business is an important part of what drives innovation and progress in our modern age. However, I am very much against Big-Business misbehaving, disregarding our basic rights and measuring out mandates like pathetic little tyrants. We can not allow this. When companies step out of line, we need to be there to push them back across it, forcibly if needed. Put another way, if we tolerate them shoveling muck at us and do nothing to stop it, they're just going to keep doing it.

So the question then becomes: What side are you going to stand on? There is no fence-sitting. If you don't choose a side, your side will be chosen for you. So where do you want to be?
 
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Colonel Blimp

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You just know, when it came to the meeting at MS about W11, they probably went round the room and collated a list of everything they could implement that would force older PC's to upgrade.
 

hahahanoobs

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We could not agree more on this point! Right there with you.

I would prefer to pay for my software rather than leave the door open for M$(or anyone else) to say: "We gave it to you for free so you will run it our way!". Not something I'm ever going to tolerate. My PC, my rules, always.


There is nothing wrong with using CAPS to emphasize a word as a part of making a larger point. It's a basic part of how textual communication works. I think read that in a book somewhere...

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not "Anti-BigBusiness". Big-Business is an important part of what drives innovation and progress in our modern age. However, I am very much against Big-Business misbehaving, disregarding our basic rights and measuring out mandates like pathetic little tyrants. We can not allow this. When companies step out of line, we need to be there to push them back across it, forcibly if needed. Put another way, if we tolerate them shoveling muck at us and do nothing to stop it, they're just going to keep doing it.

So the question then becomes: What side are you going to stand on? There is no fence-sitting. If you don't choose a side, your side will be chosen for you. So where do you want to be?
Screeching isn't communicating.
And keep your warnings to yourself. Thanks.
 

ZedRM

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Screeching isn't communicating.
CAPS on a single word is not screeching. And I will emphasize my words as I see fit.
And keep your warnings to yourself. Thanks.
I will express my thoughts, again, as I see fit. Thank You, come again!
No one is forcing anyone do to anything.
By making these silly and pointless requirements Microsoft IS, in reality, trying to force people to buy new PC's & laptops.
 

hahahanoobs

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CAPS on a single word is not screeching. And I will emphasize my words as I see fit.

I will express my thoughts, again, as I see fit. Thank You, come again!

By making these silly and pointless requirements Microsoft IS, in reality, trying to force people to buy new PC's & laptops.
Name a company that doesn't replace past products causing you to eventually start fresh. I fail to understand how you think you are owed anything. You have until 2025 to decide whether you want to use W11 or Linux.

It's THAT easy, and good luck!
 
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ZedRM

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Name a company that doesn't replace past products causing you to eventually start fresh. I fail to understand how you think you are owed anything. You have until 2025 to decide whether you want to use W11 or Linux.

It's THAT easy, and good luck!
You're failing to understand context. ANY computer that can run Windows 10 or even 7 can run 11. I know this as I've been testing the beta on various systems at my disposal, including a Core 2 Quad based PC. No UEFI, no TPM, no secure-boot. No magic or special-sauce, it just runs and it runs fine.

Put simply, the limitations M$ wants to impose are completely & totally artificial. So why shouldn't we, the users, be able to upgrade from the pile of cow-pat that is Windows 10 to Windows 11? It's two things, a money grab and a control grab. M$ wants to force everyone to upgrade their hardware(each coming with a shiny new copy of Windows 11 that they get to sell to OEMs), which they can then control to a certain extent and force garbage(ads, unwanted software, etc) to users without them being able to restrict such because a secure-boot installation is not easily modified. Get the big picture yet?

Then there are some of us out here in the real world who do not and will not run with secure-boot because doing so makes certain alternate, critically important, security options unusable. This is my personal reason for outrage, but not the only one by far. Your idea of staying on the garbage pile of Windows 10 or switching to Linux is like unto a straw-man argument, a very poor one..

Make no mistake, my only problems with Windows 11 are these silly limitations. I like everything else they've done. Great stuff!

M$ is going to ruin what would otherwise be an amazing new version of Windows with these lame-duck, dumb-as-dirt "requirements".
 

jpuroila

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My system probably does meet the W11 requirements but it doesn't matter really because all my decades of PC experience have taught me one very important thing:

NEVER BE AN EARLY ADOPTER!
With Windows, you're an early adopter whether you install it now or in 4 years, since you can't choose whether you install feature updates or not unless you have access to enterprise or LTS* version.
 

Avro Arrow

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With Windows, you're an early adopter whether you install it now or in 4 years, since you can't choose whether you install feature updates or not unless you have access to enterprise or LTS* version.
Well, whenever I install Windows, I always perform every available update before actually using it. That usually means I avoid the early SNAFUs. Mind you, it also means that I have to suffer with the later-on SNAFUs! :laughing:
 

Avro Arrow

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I've been rocking a pretty strong PC for a long time, and never had issues jumping on new versions of windows. Vista worked great for me as I already had 4GB of RAM and a C2Q, Back then I rocked a WD Raper for the OS HDD. Never had a single issue with Vista, worked great.

Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10. I've moved to each within the first month of release. Windows 8 & 8.1 with Start8 was great IMO.

I will not be moving to Windows 11 any time soon. I hate this new taskbar and the removal of features. There is a lot to like overall, but windows 10 is just about perfect UI wise. The Settings menu needed some fixing. It's a share they are moving away from windows 10.
My personal idea of a perfect Windows is one that has the graphical beauty of 7, the user-friendly interface of XP Pro and the features of 10 (w/o Cortana).
 

Rob the nob

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Lot's of software has issues. This is not news.
Writing "Don't be an early adopter" in all caps like it's a dire warning is overreacting at best. I know people like to predict downfalls, but when it's every time, it gets old and most times, it's unwarranted and just noise.
Not being an early adopter makes sense.
Yes it has benefits, but it can also blow up in your face!
Best to wait a bit until all of the unforeseen hiccups have been ironed out!