MSI 645 Combo!!??!!

[MaxWalker]

Hello!

I'm having quite big problems with this mobo... or at least i think so.

my computer:
MSI 645 Combo
2,4Ghz Intel Celeron
Radeon 9700 128mb (omega 3.8.221 drivers)
SB Live!
512mb Kingston pc2700 (2x256mb)
Win XP with dx 9.0c

I got from 3DMark2001SE 7009 points?!? I think it should be much better... Or at least my friend is getting better result with similiar machine he's results are somewhere around 10000!

And when playind NFS Most Wanted, it gives around 20fps... and my friend has something between 30-50?!?

I know my computer is not a state of art anymore, but if there is somebody who has had similiar problems and even solved those, i would really preciate some help.

Anyway I've come up with this idea that my mobo is the reason for lack of performance and i'm not sure is it because it's really bad mobo or is there something that i've done wrong in mobo. If there is some more info you want to know, just ask.

(Oh... my friend machine has 768mb memory, radeon 9700 128mb, processor is (if i remember correctly) amd xp 1800+(1,5g) and he has some msi mobo.)

Sorry if my english is not wery good... i really hope there is somebody who can help me.

 

[SOcRatEs]

Hello! Welcome to TechSpot!

The only thing your two systems have in common are the video cards.
Celerons are (imo) diet P4's and are easily out performed not really intended
for gaming.

I think you'd find a boost by improving your CPU. Going to a P4 2.0ghz fsb 533mhz
would out run a celeron 2.4 any day. Ram does seem to give a big boost too.
I think you are running a i645 chipset which tells me your MoBo is fsb 400mhz,
if this board supports 533 too then you have room to upgrade successfuly.

G'Luck

 

[MaxWalker]

celeron 2,4g and amd xp 1800+ are equal in performance if you look some tests... and he got somewhere around 10000 points with 512mb memory too.

in sandra my 2,4g celeron gets: alu 6471mips and whetstone 3213mflops
and xp 1800+ gets: alu 6370mips and whetstone 2426mfolps so actually my processor is a bit better.

 

[SOcRatEs]

I understand that, what I'm getting at is the 20fps you are getting now.
Regaurdless of any other system or benchie.

Maybe I should just ask this;
How is the game playing experience for you on your system?

 

[MaxWalker]

Well i've been playing with this assembly for about 1 year. Nfs most wanted is first game where performance starts to be bad... I think it should not be so bad with my computer. I have recogniced lack of performance all the time and i've been searching for solution but nothing have been found.

My friends have been saying that performance should be better. This is the first time i started to ask in forum, if somebody can help me with this problem. Maybe the only solution is to buy new mobo, processor or something like that but i'm hoping there is cheaper way to get my computer working well.

And for previos question: I actually did read it little wrong...
MSI 645 Combo: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=404
There is somekind of support for 533 processor, but I don't know how it works. in "cpu support" it says no for all 533 processors but in specs it says there is support...

 

[SOcRatEs]

CPU

• Supports Intel® Pentium® 4/Celeron™ processors in the 478 pin package.
• Supports 400MHz FSB, can be auto negotiated to 533MHz through BIOS for better system
efficiency
• Supports up to 2.8GHz or higher speed.


Chipset

• SIS® 645 Chipset
- High performance host interface 400MHz.
- 64-bit high performance DDR 333/266 memory controller.
- Support AGP 4X/2X interface with fast write transaction.
- High throughput SiS MuTIOL connect to SiS962L MuTIOL Media I/O.

• SIS® 962L MuTIOL® Media I/O Chipset
- Dual IDE ATA 66/100/133 controllers.
- Integrated USB 2.0/1.1 host controller and Fast Ethernet MAC controller.
- Integrated audio controller with AC97 interface.
- Advanced power management and PC2001 compliance.
- Integrated PCI to LPCC bridge.


FSB

• Supports 400MHz FSB

Supports 400MHz FSB, can be auto negotiated to 533MHz through BIOS for better system
efficiency

This means fsb400mhz but overclockable up to 533mhz.
You'd be looking at a MoBO & cpu for upgrade but could be quite
surprised at how much a P4 @ fsb 400mhz cpu would do.
This would do quite well
P4 2.4 northwood

I sell alot of these, I'm also sure you could sell the celeron too.

 

[MaxWalker]

Yes, i can imagine it would be good. anyway i'm still interested if there is some other solution than upgrading. like bios settings or drivers...

 

[SOcRatEs]

You can go to the SIS website for the latest MoBo drivers.
You can learn more about tweaking/OC'ing fsb from 400mhz to
higher fsb.
Quality of ram will determine how successful you will be.
Locking your agp/pci to 66/33, (if your board supports it).
Knowing how to bump cpu voltage to stablize higher fsb.
Lossening the ram timmings to further stablize your system.
A good PSU & cooling is a must.
Most of all be sure you understand clearly the risks and how to's
before OC'ing.
I'v heard that Celerons are known to OC pretty well.
Read through this section Cooling & Modding and when you have
more questions, maybe start a new thread there. They've helped me immensly with my OC....

 

[MaxWalker]

Well att the moment i have Gigabyte 3D Rocket Pro cooler in processor, couple of system fans and i have in radeon 9700 arctic cooling vga silencer rev. 3. too.

Cooling should be in good shape (or is it?) and i've allready given some toughts for OC, but haven't yet tryed it. There is allways little risk on OC to do some damage to machine so i haven't yet got guts for doing that.

 

[MaxWalker]

By the way here are my bios settings:

Advanced Bios Features:
Quick Boot: Enabled
Full Screen Logo Show: Enabled
Anti-Virus Protection: Enabled
Hard Disk S.M.A.R.T.: Enabled
Boot Up Num-Lock Led: On
Halt On Keyboard Error: Disabled
Swap Floppy: Disabled
Seek Floppy: Enabled
Security Option: Setup
Boot OS/2 For DRAM > 64: No
Internal Cache: WriteBack
APIC Function: Enabled
MPS Table Version: 1.4

Advanced Chipset Features:
Cas Latency: By SPD
Timing Setting Mode: Normal
AGP Aperture Size: 64M
MA 1T/2T Select: Auto
Host To Memory Latency: Normal (Can't change)

Power Management Features:
Sleep State: S1/POS
Initialize VGA BIOS By S3: Enabled
Suspend Time Out: Disabled
Power Button Function: Power Off
After AC Power Lost: Power Off

Integrated Peripherals:
USB Function: Enabled
USB 2.0 Support: Enabled
USB Legacy Support: Disabled
AC97 Audio: Disabled
Onboard PCI IDE: Both

PNP/PCI Configurations:
Clear ESCD: No
PCI VGA Palette Snoop: Disabled
Primary Graphics Adapter: AGP
PCI Slot 1/5 IRQ Priority: Auto
PCI Slot 2/6 IRQ Priority: Auto
PCI Slot 3 IRQ Priority: Auto
PCI Slot 4 IRQ Priority: Auto

Frequency/Voltage Control:
Spread Spectrum: Disable
Stop Unused PCI/DIMM Clock: Enabled
CPU Ratio: Locked
Detect CPU FSB Clock: Auto
CPU FSB Clock(MHz): 100MHz
CPU DRAM Clock Ratio: By SPD
DRAM Frequency: 333MHz
DRAM Voltage Adjust(V): 2.5
AGP Voltage Adjust(V): 1.5

Is there something wrong? I've tryed all kind of settings but those are now.

 

[SOcRatEs]

Is there something wrong? I've tryed all kind of settings but those are now.

Looks perfect