Nvidia hints that the RTX 3000 series and RTX 4000 cards will co-exist

Neatfeatguy

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I got 2 3090's and a 3060ti from EVGA's queue.

It really depends on the model you wanted to get. If you were looking to get the low-end (Black model) of pretty much any GPU tier, they hardly made and shipped them out.

Look at the 3070/3080/3090 Black times in the EVGA queue list - dates they last shipped any are still back in Sept and Oct of 2020. The only cards in that Black series that actually shipped was the 3060 and 3050, but they're more recent and less sought after.

Once EVGA changed how many cards they let you have a spot for in the queue (Queue rules 2.0), I had my eyes on the 3070 Black and 3080 Black, as well as the 3070 XC Ultra and 3080 XC Ultra. When the 3070Ti models were announced I got my name on the list for both models and I also removed myself from the 3070 and 3080 I had spots for because of the new queue rules EVGA was going by.

My choice to drop the 3070 Black, 3070 XC3 Ultra, 3080 Black, 3080 XC3 Ultra appears to be a sound decision by me since none of those cards have had any models ship since the end of October 2020.

I personally had a 3060 (this was my first one, I just needed something better than the 980Ti I had that was having issues) and eventually two 3070Ti cards from the EVGA queue.

In the end it just depends on what model you wanted, some moved a lot more than others and some haven't really seen the light of day since they officially launched them back in September of 2020.
 

EdmondRC

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Cool, I have been in EVGA's GPU queue already for 18 months at this stage and still no card.

I will probably get the email for my card in like 2-3 years down the road.
Hopefully you signed up for a card that's actually moving in the queue. Some of them allowed you to sign up, but EVGA just is not producing them.
 

J R K

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What I'm hearing is - Nvidia doesn't have high hopes of having good inventory of the 40xx when they launch. So they want to keep the high-end 30x0 cards available.
Of course they'd wanna do that. The current generation of Ampere cards never really got off the ground; it's premature to stick with the successive release cadence they've established since 2016. Yet, there are ostensibly other reasons to plow ahead anyway (probably habit and cultural philosophy than anything substantive).
 

J R K

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sane people usually skip at least 1-2 gens away. Ampere itself was targeted at people still on Pascal.
I skipped Maxwell and Pascal, a whole three generations. GTX 980 was a BEAST that lasted me nearly 7 years (it still works well, actually, but could no longer produce medium/hi settings for every new game I have, and I didn't wanna limit myself to 1080p60 with new display I purchased).
 

Neatfeatguy

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Of course they'd wanna do that. The current generation of Ampere cards never really got off the ground; it's premature to stick with the successive release cadence they've established since 2016. Yet, there are ostensibly other reasons to plow ahead anyway (probably habit and cultural philosophy than anything substantive).
There are millions and millions of Ampere GPUs out there. They got off the ground just fine.
 

J R K

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There are millions and millions of Ampere GPUs out there. They got off the ground just fine..

Not really. Hypothetically, there could be 80/100 adoption ratio of Ampere cards, but with the current sentiments out there and the slowing uptick of games taking true advantage of them (although any relative growth rate at this point would be "slower" since the initial boom in raytracing and AI upscaling), nobody would be the wiser of that. The coverage and optics out there certainly suggest it was a flower that barely bloomed a few petals.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Not really. Hypothetically, there could be 80/100 adoption ratio of Ampere cards, but with the current sentiments out there and the slowing uptick of games taking true advantage of them (although any relative growth rate at this point would be "slower" since the initial boom in raytracing and AI upscaling), nobody would be the wiser of that. The coverage and optics out there certainly suggest it was a flower that barely bloomed a few petals.

It's not hard to fathom that the Ampere cards are out there in the millions.

If Nvidia has sold 9.1 million GPUs alone, in 2020 (Ampere launched towards the end of Sept 2020), even if only 8% of GPUs sold in 2020 were just Ampere, that's still 3/4 of a million GPUs.

If you honestly believe that there are not millions of Ampere GPUs out there since then, I don't know what else anyone could say that might change your mind.
 

J R K

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It really depends on the model you wanted to get. If you were looking to get the low-end (Black model) of pretty much any GPU tier, they hardly made and shipped them out.

Look at the 3070/3080/3090 Black times in the EVGA queue list - dates they last shipped any are still back in Sept and Oct of 2020. The only cards in that Black series that actually shipped was the 3060 and 3050, but they're more recent and less sought after.

Once EVGA changed how many cards they let you have a spot for in the queue (Queue rules 2.0), I had my eyes on the 3070 Black and 3080 Black, as well as the 3070 XC Ultra and 3080 XC Ultra. When the 3070Ti models were announced I got my name on the list for both models and I also removed myself from the 3070 and 3080 I had spots for because of the new queue rules EVGA was going by.

My choice to drop the 3070 Black, 3070 XC3 Ultra, 3080 Black, 3080 XC3 Ultra appears to be a sound decision by me since none of those cards have had any models ship since the end of October 2020.

I personally had a 3060 (this was my first one, I just needed something better than the 980Ti I had that was having issues) and eventually two 3070Ti cards from the EVGA queue.

In the end it just depends on what model you wanted, some moved a lot more than others and some haven't really seen the light of day since they officially launched them back in September of 2020.
It's not hard to fathom that the Ampere cards are out there in the millions.

If Nvidia has sold 9.1 million GPUs alone, in 2020 (Ampere launched towards the end of Sept 2020), even if only 8% of GPUs sold in 2020 were just Ampere, that's still 3/4 of a million GPUs.

If you honestly believe that there are not millions of Ampere GPUs out there since then, I don't know what else anyone could say that might change your mind.
I think you just don't get it. All of those that didn't go - in the millions - to scalpers and crypto miners, were bought at ridiculous prices that LESSENED the performance-to-cost ratio of these cards. A card, like my RTX 3070 Ti (8gb) that should've cost X amount ended being triple price for others, especially in non-USA markets (like mine).

That isn't even accounting for the resentment that TENS OF MILLIONS more gamers who *would've bought* the cards still haven't got one. Or the obscene amount of people who only now just upgraded to previous generations who'll end up skipping these fabulous cards altogether, in the future. It'll be a larger skip than what happened before it.

The point is that there was more resentment all around -- even with the divisive RTX 2000s (was that Maxwell? Can't recall), which some people thought weren't what they were supposed to be (a true quantum leap above their predecessors, the GTX 1000s).

It really is that clear cut: no amount of LEGITIMATE sales henceforth will save the legacy of these cards.

But I suppose you only factor in smaller picture stuff from those numbers.

Edit: mistyped a sentence in the middle so badly it argued the opposite of what I was trying to say there (had written "less resentment" when I meant more.
Also please ignore the first quoted post, typing This on a phone and it's just too cumbersome to delete that.
 

Neatfeatguy

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I think you just don't get it. All of those that didn't go - in the millions - to scalpers and crypto miners, were bought at ridiculous prices that LESSENED the performance-to-cost ratio of these cards. A card, like my RTX 3070 Ti (8gb) that should've cost X amount ended being triple price for others, especially in non-USA markets (like mine).

That isn't even accounting for the resentment that TENS OF MILLIONS more gamers who *would've bought* the cards still haven't got one. Or the obscene amount of people who only now just upgraded to previous generations who'll end up skipping these fabulous cards altogether, in the future. It'll be a larger skip than what happened before it.

The point is that there was more resentment all around -- even with the divisive RTX 2000s (was that Maxwell? Can't recall), which some people thought weren't what they were supposed to be (a true quantum leap above their predecessors, the GTX 1000s).

It really is that clear cut: no amount of LEGITIMATE sales henceforth will save the legacy of these cards.

But I suppose you only factor in smaller picture stuff from those numbers.

Edit: mistyped a sentence in the middle so badly it argued the opposite of what I was trying to say there (had written "less resentment" when I meant more.
Also please ignore the first quoted post, typing This on a phone and it's just too cumbersome to delete that.

Thanks for confirming what I said from the start that you wanted to argue.

There are millions and millions of Ampere GPUs out there. They got off the ground just fine.

It was kind of a long winded answer you gave there, but I appreciate it. (y) (Y)
 

J R K

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Thanks for confirming what I said from the start that you wanted to argue.



It was kind of a long winded answer you gave there, but I appreciate it. (y) (Y)
It isn't relevant whether anyone "wants" to just argue - half of all discussion anywhere is essentially argument. Just defending or explaining one's ground is an unassailable prerogative. Whether it's *civil* and/or coherent is another matter, I concur. We've been civil here more or less, which is most what really matters.

Btw, that isn't close to long-winded. This isn't Twitter, where everyone's poor attention spans are made clear, for utterances of just a short sentence or less.
 

Max225719

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Hmm, Im on an RTX 2080 so the 3000 series isnt really worth bothering with. But if I was building a new system from scratch and the 3000 series is discounted then its probably a good call.

Also I can imagine this could be to challenge whatever Intel releases. If they release anything.


I went from a 2080 to a 3090 and it was a HUGE upgrade. Not sure why it isn't worth bothering to you. Massive performance gain...
 

Shadowboxer

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I went from a 2080 to a 3090 and it was a HUGE upgrade. Not sure why it isn't worth bothering to you. Massive performance gain...
Because its not actually a huge upgrade. Its a little over double the performance. In the PC gaming world that isnt much in the grand scheme of things.

A 2080 to a 4080 will be a much bigger upgrade and its not like my 2080 cant play anything. In fact theres only really one game I cant max with it at 1440p. Why should I buy a hideously expensive 3090 upgrade to play games I can already max?

My next GPU will come when I get a 4K OLED 120+hz panel. Whenever they arrive. And it wont be a 30xx series. Those are old now.