Nvidia is reportedly making 600W reference boards for the RTX 4090

ltkAlpha

Posts: 11   +10
600w will be.....impossible to cool. The 3090 struggles and that's a 400w part. Exactly how big is the cooler on this thing gonna be? [...]

Well, not impossible, but difficult. I'm running a custom cooled OCed 3080 w/ 2 280 radiators and I'm fairly confident that w/ 2 360 radiators you will technically be able to extract 750-850W of heat from the case. What it would sound and feel like in summer I would be very curious to see.
 

Lozzy

Posts: 34   +48
Saw a meme recently which was a pic of an nvidia card with an kettle plug AC power socket in the backplate. When your memes start to make sense, you know it's getting silly.

Hopefully AMD's next gen prove to be a lot more power efficient and start hurting Nvidia's sales, because this **** needs to get knocked on the head.
 
You are missing the point by a New York mile.

The issue is not whether we should buy a 1000W PSU due to Nvidia's pathetic inability to produce something that's power efficient, doesn't cost a kidney to buy and doesn't require a humongous PSU.

Unlike you, many of us peasants don't have unlimited funds, don't have a mansion with a nuclear reactor for a power supply / not having to worry about electric bills.

We do have to pay electric bills each month and we don't care for a GPU whose power draw is 1/4 of our total house consumption!!

Ah, hyperbole and sensationalism. The cornerstone of any good argument.

Seriously. If $15/year is considered "unlimited funds", for you, perhaps you have much larger issues to deal with other than whether or not you buy a higher wattage GPU and how it affects your virtue-signalling, public posture.

Get over yourself.
 

Puiu

Posts: 5,543   +4,502
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600w will be.....impossible to cool. The 3090 struggles and that's a 400w part. Exactly how big is the cooler on this thing gonna be?

Dude electricity is dirt cheap. If you have to worry about the difference between a 300w GPU and a 600w GPU, you probably cant afford a 600 watt GPU. True story.

Same with those who whine about electric bills for the i9 12900k. It's like a $5 difference per year. On a $800 part.

Electricity hasn't been dirt cheap for a very long time, especially in Europe. Trust me, that 12900k is a lot more than 5$ per year (if you use it for more than web browsing and emails). Some people will pay that much every 2-3 weeks.
 

yRaz

Posts: 4,400   +5,124
Ah, hyperbole and sensationalism. The cornerstone of any good argument.

Seriously. If $15/year is considered "unlimited funds", for you, perhaps you have much larger issues to deal with other than whether or not you buy a higher wattage GPU and how it affects your virtue-signalling, public posture.

Get over yourself.
I'm getting really tired of the "you're poor so you shouldn't but one anyway"

This is a luxury product and as a luxury it shouldn't act as a space heater. All those watts get turned into heat. I don't know if you've looked at an electric space heater, but the settings are usually 750w low with 1500 watts high. Keep in mind, in North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak.

Not only do NOT I want a luxury product to act as a space heater, I don't want said space heater to draw more what manufacturers are legally allow to draw from a wall socket. And your computer isn't just a videocard, it's a CPU, motherboard, harddrives and memory, all of which contribute to the RMS of device. You also have a monitor where it isn't unreasonable to assume it draws 100 watts. I'm already pushing 1000watts if you include my display, a 600 watt card would take that to 1200watts, probably closer to 1300 watts or more power draw if you consider most powersupplys are around 80% efficient.
This is just a bad product on paper and it's approaching what is even legal. When in a previous replay I said that we'd start having to run 220v lines to your PC, I was no entirely joking. This is a luxury highend product with out a luxury product. I honestly don't even know what I'm paying for electric, I just look at the graph because I think it's interesting. I could afford whatever these cards cost but I don't want a 600watt spaceheater.

There is one condition in which I would buy a card that could pull 600+watts. I have a dream setup with an 8k120 display but, unfortunately, a display standard does not exist and as far as I'm aware, there isn't even one in the works that supports 8k120. Considering I use TV's as my main display instead of monitors, I'm stuck with HDMI. Although 8k60 is a nice option, I'm not dropping $8000 on an 8k60 TV.
 

Bobbydpue

Posts: 327   +217
I'm getting really tired of the "you're poor so you shouldn't but one anyway"

This is a luxury product and as a luxury it shouldn't act as a space heater. All those watts get turned into heat. I don't know if you've looked at an electric space heater, but the settings are usually 750w low with 1500 watts high. Keep in mind, in North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak.

No one , I don't want said space heater to draw more what manufacturers are legally allow to draw from a wall socket. And your computer isn't just a videocard, it's a CPU, motherboard, harddrives and memory, all of which contribute to the RMS of device. You also have a monitor where it isn't unreasonable to assume it draws 100 watts. I'm already pushing 1000watts if you include my display, a 600 watt card would take that to 1200watts, probably closer to 1300 watts or more power draw if you consider most powersupplys are around 80% efficient.
This is just a bad product on paper and it's approaching what is even legal. When in a previous replay I said that we'd start having to run 220v lines to your PC, I was no entirely joking. This is a luxury highend product with out a luxury product. I honestly don't even know what I'm paying for electric, I just look at the graph because I think it's interesting. I could afford whatever these cards cost but I don't want a 600watt spaceheater.

There is one condition in which I would buy a card that could pull 600+watts. I have a dream setup with an 8k120 display but, unfortunately, a display standard does not exist and as far as I'm aware, there isn't even one in the works that supports 8k120. Considering I use TV's as my main display instead of monitors, I'm stuck with HDMI. Although 8k60 is a nice option, I'm not dropping $8000 on an 8k60 TV.
First off you are getting upset about a product that hasn't be released rumoured to use more power than you want it to. So exactly why are you bothered again? RMS isn't used to measure DC power.

"North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak" What is a 110v "electrical line"? Also a 230v device on a 40 amp circuit could pull 9600 Watts of power and a "standard" 110 circuit with a 20Amp fuse can be used with devices that pull up to 2200 Watts. What specific rule, law or provision are you trying to use to prop up your outrage about power consumption on an unreased product with no real objective data?
 

Neatfeatguy

Posts: 832   +1,445
I'm getting really tired of the "you're poor so you shouldn't but one anyway"

This is a luxury product and as a luxury it shouldn't act as a space heater. All those watts get turned into heat. I don't know if you've looked at an electric space heater, but the settings are usually 750w low with 1500 watts high. Keep in mind, in North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak.

Not only do NOT I want a luxury product to act as a space heater, I don't want said space heater to draw more what manufacturers are legally allow to draw from a wall socket. And your computer isn't just a videocard, it's a CPU, motherboard, harddrives and memory, all of which contribute to the RMS of device. You also have a monitor where it isn't unreasonable to assume it draws 100 watts. I'm already pushing 1000watts if you include my display, a 600 watt card would take that to 1200watts, probably closer to 1300 watts or more power draw if you consider most powersupplys are around 80% efficient.
This is just a bad product on paper and it's approaching what is even legal. When in a previous replay I said that we'd start having to run 220v lines to your PC, I was no entirely joking. This is a luxury highend product with out a luxury product. I honestly don't even know what I'm paying for electric, I just look at the graph because I think it's interesting. I could afford whatever these cards cost but I don't want a 600watt spaceheater.

There is one condition in which I would buy a card that could pull 600+watts. I have a dream setup with an 8k120 display but, unfortunately, a display standard does not exist and as far as I'm aware, there isn't even one in the works that supports 8k120. Considering I use TV's as my main display instead of monitors, I'm stuck with HDMI. Although 8k60 is a nice option, I'm not dropping $8000 on an 8k60 TV.

So you bash the idea of a high wattage output for a card and in the end you say you'd be okay with getting one if it meet your specific ideals.....

So, are you against the idea of high power draw cards or not?
 

godrilla

Posts: 438   +212
Question for the ones cozying up to the warmth of a 600 to 800 watt tdp graphics card. What does a 800 watt TDP heatsink look like? A Ferrari? We already know what a 450 watt tdp 3.5 slot air cooled monstrosity looks like!
 

yRaz

Posts: 4,400   +5,124
So you bash the idea of a high wattage output for a card and in the end you say you'd be okay with getting one if it meet your specific ideals.....

So, are you against the idea of high power draw cards or not?
There is a very specific set of circumstances in which I would find it acceptable.
First off you are getting upset about a product that hasn't be released rumoured to use more power than you want it to. So exactly why are you bothered again? RMS isn't used to measure DC power.

"North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak" What is a 110v "electrical line"? Also a 230v device on a 40 amp circuit could pull 9600 Watts of power and a "standard" 110 circuit with a 20Amp fuse can be used with devices that pull up to 2200 Watts. What specific rule, law or provision are you trying to use to prop up your outrage about power consumption on an unreased product with no real objective data?
I don't know the exactly law, but here in the US devices most breakers are 110v 15amp to 20amp breakers
First off you are getting upset about a product that hasn't be released rumoured to use more power than you want it to. So exactly why are you bothered again? RMS isn't used to measure DC power.

"North America the highest sustained draw from any single device on a 110v electrical line is 1500 watts with 1750 watts peak" What is a 110v "electrical line"? Also a 230v device on a 40 amp circuit could pull 9600 Watts of power and a "standard" 110 circuit with a 20Amp fuse can be used with devices that pull up to 2200 Watts. What specific rule, law or provision are you trying to use to prop up your outrage about power consumption on an unreased product with no real objective data?
I don't know what laws they are, but I do know the construction code in PA very well. You aren't suppose to install more than a 20amp breaker on a 110 line. And, yes, you can have 9600watts on a 40amp 220line, but we only use 220 lines for appliances like furnaces, ovens, drys, etc. Also, those appliances also have to have a dedicated 220line to be up to code. You can't have an oven and a dryer on the same 220line.
So you bash the idea of a high wattage output for a card and in the end you say you'd be okay with getting one if it meet your specific ideals.....

So, are you against the idea of high power draw cards or not?
There is a very specific set of circumstances in which I would find it tolerable but not acceptable. If I was going to drop $10k on my dream setup I would put up with it, doesn't mean I'd be happy about it. But fact of the matter is that the tech doesn't exist yet so it's a moot point to talk about it.
 

Aaron Fox

Posts: 153   +90
Air cooling something even approaching that wattage via the ATX form factor is insanity.

I hope that the goofy video games are worth the tinnitus.
 

Avro Arrow

Posts: 2,349   +2,869
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You know, I bought my EVGA 1000 G2 Supernova with the idea that I would never need more than that. This is fracking IN-SANE!!!

Well, since I don't intend to buy nVidia, it'll probably be ok. :laughing:
 
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