Nvidia looks set to reduce graphics card prices even further

Loadedaxe

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Let them keep them.
They are overstocked and they expect the people that got hosed (gamers) for 2+ years to now bail them out? Sell them to you glorified money machines, miners! Oh wait, they bailed on you! And now you want your dedicated customers, the ones that got screwed to buy them!

Fackoff NVidia and AMD!
Unless they are selling for 50% off no one should be buying these 2 year old cards.
 

emmzo

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Demand was sky high and supply couldn't keep up. I don't see why you are mad at NVIDIA while AMD's cards were overpriced, too. I was able to buy a 3090 FE from NVIDIA's EU designated supplier at MSRP. I was never able to buy a card directly from AMD and I tried for 12-18 months. I'm not saying that either company is good or bad. High prices, high demand, and limited stock wasn't either companies fault it was a matter of business and we got screwed by all the people buying video cards at many times the price.
AMD can suck it, too. Thanks for the lecture, but we all know the story, high demand, high prices, supposedly "limited stock", they are a company, so, making profit is all they care, nobody is entitled, bla, bla, etc. That doesn't mean I have to sympathize and "understand" the situation, while getting screwed. And certainly, I will not reward them by buying old tech, while prices are still abhorrently high in Europe. They could have done more and should have done more for gamers, their main bread and butter for years. But what goes around comes around.
 

emmzo

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There is no guarantee there will be wide spread availability of new video cards. The 4070, or whatever it's going to be called, may have plenty of stock when it launches, but it might sell out in seconds and not be restocked at or near MSRP for two years.
Sell out in seconds? Most gamers already have cards and the ones like me who waited are not eager to buy at any price, miners are on life support so, dream on. Unless China attacks Taiwan, they're going to produce like crazy, because the recession is coming and they just posted a heavy quarterly loss.
 

toooooot

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Never spent more than $300 on a card never will
Well, maybe you havent lived to see the inflation as massive as the one we are having?
Everything will be more expensive, like very expensive...
I think what you would want for 300 will easily cost 450-500 dollars.
 

lripplinger

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I need a whole platform upgrade before I worry about replacing my GTX 1060. My i5-4670k is old as the hills now....XD
 

waclark

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To me it's a really easy decision. Wait for the 4070. That is, unless you can pick up a 3080 12GB for around $600 bucks, or less. But why spend $600 on a 3080 when the 4070 will likely be around that mark, and outperform it by a nice margin!
What makes you think the 4070 will be around $600? I could see the 3080 going to $600 when the 4070 comes out, but I would expect the 4070 to be in the $750-800 or possibly higher price range. And supply is likely to be short for a while. They may introduce in Sept, but ship in Dec or Jan.
 

JamesBlond

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To me it's a really easy decision. Wait for the 4070. That is, unless you can pick up a 3080 12GB for around $600 bucks, or less. But why spend $600 on a 3080 when the 4070 will likely be around that mark, and outperform it by a nice margin!
Agreed for the Wait for 4070, according to tests and benches 30% performance over 3070 8GB
 

JamesBlond

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Well, maybe you havent lived to see the inflation as massive as the one we are having?
Everything will be more expensive, like very expensive...
I think what you would want for 300 will easily cost 450-500 dollars.
Here is a little trick, the cards 2070-3070 pay themselves off after all costs elect just mine with it when your not gaming, I have not paid for a card since 1070... its not rocket science, nicehash makes it easy
 

TheRealSCDC

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What makes you think the 4070 will be around $600? I could see the 3080 going to $600 when the 4070 comes out, but I would expect the 4070 to be in the $750-800 or possibly higher price range. And supply is likely to be short for a while. They may introduce in Sept, but ship in Dec or Jan
I can afford to wait :)
 

Avro Arrow

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It would appear that gamers have two choices when it comes to video card upgrades. They can buy Radeons immediately at fair prices or wait several months/years to get a GeForce at fair prices.

I'm so glad that I'm able to survive happily without nVidia. I don't like to wait. :p
 

Avro Arrow

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At this point, I'm vindictive towards nVidia. I'll consider buying a 3080 when I can get one new for less than $300. That is where this card should be, imo, at this stage in its life.
I've been vindictive towards nVidia (and Intel for that matter) for well over a decade. Every time I buy a Radeon card, I get this wonderful feeling that I'm kicking Jensen in the nads, even if he can't feel it. :laughing:
Personally, while I would like it to happen, I think it is very wishful thinking that a 4070 will come in around $600. IMO, nVidia just wants to dump current stock onto those "suckers" willing to buy now instead of waiting for a 4XXX card. My bet is that when the 4XXX cards arrive, they will come in at a significant premium to current prices if not above the MSRPs of the previous generation of cards.
Of course they will, anyone who thinks otherwise is a noob because it's what they've been doing since the release of the Geforce 8800 GTX back in '06.
After all, this is nVidia we are talking about - they only care about one thing - profit.
Yeah, they and Intel both. Sure, AMD is primarily about profit but there are lines that they won't cross. Teams green and blue have no issues that way. Hell, I bet Jensen thinks that the Enron people were geniuses.

The 3080Ti is £900 here in the UK. Once it gets down to £700 and averages around the £750ish price range I would be tempted.
I don't see the point in waiting for something that may or may not come to pass when this is in stock NOW:
Newegg UK: ASRock RX 6900 XT 16GB for £736 (Free Shipping)
No consumer GPU released to date is worth more than £1000. Everything has been priced wrong since the 20xx series.
Only because people were stupid enough to pay through the nose just to get a video card in a green box. If people are noobish enough to pay more for a green card that gets its butt kicked by a less-expensive red card, why wouldn't nVidia give them a good buggering? If you ask me, they totally deserve all the fleecing that they get because they're too stupid or lazy to use their power of consumer choice. :laughing:
I'm afriad you are probably correct on the pricing. But I'm hopeful. But about profit, they all care about one thing, profit. As soon as they have to answer to shareholders, everything goes to sh^t. I think going public is a great way to raise capital, but also a great way to watch the push for profit over quality take control.
It's true, that's how corporate capitalism generally works. However, somehow AMD manages to not always try to screw people over. Sure, they're not exactly what I'd call angels but they're nowhere near as shady as nVidia (or Intel for that matter).
Just sold my EVGA 3070Ti FTW for $530 and pick up the used EVGA 3080 FTW 10GB for $620.
Done with the price madness of this generation.
Madness could also be defined as buying a used RTX 3080 with 10GB of VRAM for only $20 less than a new RX 6800 XT with 16GB of VRAM.

Still, you made out like a bandit so I can't really fault you for it. :laughing:
It would be nice if their original line up (the ones with the nice msrp that reviewers fell for) reached msrp first. In the US, the 3050, 3060 (Ti), 3070 and 3080 are still over msrp.

We‘re now almost two years after Ampere launched and the majority are still over msrp…
Well, fortunately for you and I, the MSRP of nVidia cards is more or less irrelevant because we're not too chicken to buy something else. :laughing:
We've had years of price gouging. I'll buy if the 3000 cards go for 80% of MSRP and new 4000 cards appear within 10% of previous gen MSRP otherwise I'll just continue to spend my money on other things.
When it comes to nVidia, I always spend my money on other things. Specifically, Radeons. :laughing:
I wouldn't say a nice margin, solely based off rumors, the 4070 may be about as fast as a 3090. If that's the case, you're looking at maybe a 15% performance boost based on the fact that a 3080 is around 15% behind a 3090. In the end we certainly see an improvement, but it's not that impressive based on how much hype was built up. But, we are left waiting for reviews to see for sure how much of an improvement comes with Lovelace and maybe we'll be in for a nice surprise that the margin of performance is greater than 15%.
I'd expect that if the 4070 is more than 15% faster than the 3080, it will have an MSRP of at least $1000. Why? It's simply because the noobs have demonstrated that they'll pay hundreds more for a video card in a green box.
Hopefully if Nvidia can push out more chips for 3080 12GB it may help drop prices more because right now I'm seeing the 10GB and 12GB versions for $800-1100 still. I'd love to see these cards in the $500-600 range, but it probably never get there.
No, it definitely will not, at least, not for a new one. However, it's not like there isn't an extremely attractive alternative, what with the RX 6800 XT currently going for $640.

I can tell you that my RX 6800 XT is an absolute beast and I have no regrets about spending about $500 less than the absurd price that was being charged at the time for an RTX 3080. I also got 60% more VRAM in the bargain which will be useful down the road when HD textures get really ridiculous with their VRAM requirements.

I expect that will be sooner rather than later after having seen these demos of Unreal Engine 5:
Prices in the UK are still +10-20% of MSRP, so yeah if they want to "discount" the cards, lets see 10-20% BELOW the MSRP ... you know, an actual discount?
Oh thank you, I needed that laugh! You do realise that this is nVidia you're talking about, eh? They don't give actual discounts!
Considering these are close to two year old GPUs, and that most were already overpriced, it has to be more than just 10-20%.
Like I said to PassingPoseidon, we must remember that we're talking about nVidia and getting any real discounts from Jensen is like pulling impacted wisdom teeth with rusty pliers. :laughing:
The 3080 would need to be $400 or less for me to even consider it. 4070 will smack it senseless for less than $600, maybe $549. Same applies to 6900XT, 7700XT will beat it at a lower price, so old gen will need to be significantly cheaper than MSRP. For AMD especially RT will be much better on RDNA3 and no more gimped bus, 384 bit and 320 bit for the Navi 31 cards and 256bit for the Navi 32 cards.
You know, ray-tracing isn't really a thing yet. It's an oddity that is present in a few titles that 99.999% of people forget is there while they're actually playing a game. If and/or when ray-tracing actually makes some kind of significant difference, you can be sure that Markham will have caught up with and/or passed Santa Clara in ray-tracing performance. There's just too much time for them not to. For now though, it's not worth the extra cost.
"Everything just works." - Sure Jensen, tell us another one! :laughing:
Now you are talking about my luck. I always miss the sales, deals and releases. Maybe because I'm so cheap. I always second guess whatever I put in my cart, and ultimately think about it and delete it. Don't want to blow my money.
If you're so cheap, I don't recommend buying nVidia because those prices will make your hair fall out! Especially when you find out, a little ways down the road, that the Radeon equivalent is now out-performing your GeForce card that you paid more for.
I had money for a card in the price range of a 3070/6800/6800 XT and I couldn't click fast enough to get one the day they released....stop dredging up painful memories!
You want painful memories? I had two HD 7970s in Crossfire. Then I got hit with the double-whammy of Crossfire and SLI being dropped from games and the first mining boom hitting right after that. I was stuck with a single HD 7970 around the time when two HD 7970s were getting long in the tooth and the RX 580 was around $700 at the time. I still thank my lucky stars that newegg started selling those R9 Furies for about half the cost of the RX 580. That was a pretty bad feeling, wondering for the first time if I was going to have to buy a PS3 out of necessity. :laughing:
 
Madness could also be defined as buying a used RTX 3080 with 10GB of VRAM for only $20 less than a new RX 6800 XT with 16GB of VRAM.
Still, you made out like a bandit so I can't really fault you for it. :laughing:
Because all of my GPU so far is ATI - Radeon - AMD.
From 4770 -> 6770 -> R9 280X.
Recently my R9 280X die after 8 years of working so I just want to go Nvidia for the first time.
 

Avro Arrow

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Because all of my GPU so far is ATI - Radeon - AMD.
From 4770 -> 6770 -> R9 280X.
Recently my R9 280X die after 8 years of working so I just want to go Nvidia for the first time.
Even if you didn't, you still did very well for yourself there. You made out like a bandit with that deal and I would've done the same thing. ;)

I'm sure you've noticed however that the experience doesn't really differ between Radeon and GeForce cards. Windows is Windows and a game is a game. It's like comparing two phones, one with an Imagination GPU and the other with an ADRENO GPU. They both do the same thing and if you weren't told, you'd probably never know or care which you had. I only buy Radeons because I hate nVidia and it's almost always a better deal.

Jeez, when I think about it, the last GeForce card that I had in a computer was a Palit GeForce 8500GT 1GB. The most recent nVidia card I bought was over 10 years ago and it was a GeForce 8400GS which I bought because it used a PCI interface and so was suitable for diagnostic work (like testing if a video card is dead or the motherboard).
 

Avro Arrow

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Na I won't go AMD again for a fair few years. Built a couple of machines with 5700XT's in them and the driver's have caused me nothing but headaches.
I really don't think that it was the drivers, I think it had something to do with the cards themselves. Drivers can't cause system resets. Those are caused by a power issue which is hardware. If it were the drivers, then Steve Walton and Steve Burke would have both experienced them. I know what you're saying though because I had the violent green-screen crash with my XFX RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation card.
Once I hear they've gotten better, I would gladly try AMD again.
Well, when I RMA'd my XFX RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation card, XFX replaced it with with an XFX RX 5700 XT THICC-III and I never had a problem again even though I was using the exact same driver package.

Now I have an AMD RX 6800 XT reference model and I haven't experienced a single problem with it the whole time that I've owned it. That crashing issue was restricted to early RDNA1 cards only. Steve even told me that he bought up every single version of the RX 5700 XT in hopes of encountering the problems that many users had but he failed to find any. Add that to that the lack of issues with RDNA2 and I'd say that's a pretty strong indicator that any problems had been properly dealt with.

There's nothing further to worry about from Radeon cards and you can trust me on that. Whether they love me or hate me, nobody on this forum would ever say that I make things up.
 

Burty117

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I really don't think that it was the drivers, I think it had something to do with the cards themselves. Drivers can't cause system resets. Those are caused by a power issue which is hardware. If it were the drivers, then Steve Walton and Steve Burke would have both experienced them. I know what you're saying though because I had the violent green-screen crash with my XFX RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation card.

Well, when I RMA'd my XFX RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation card, XFX replaced it with with an XFX RX 5700 XT THICC-III and I never had a problem again even though I was using the exact same driver package.

Now I have an AMD RX 6800 XT reference model and I haven't experienced a single problem with it the whole time that I've owned it. That crashing issue was restricted to early RDNA1 cards only. Steve even told me that he bought up every single version of the RX 5700 XT in hopes of encountering the problems that many users had but he failed to find any. Add that to that the lack of issues with RDNA2 and I'd say that's a pretty strong indicator that any problems had been properly dealt with.

There's nothing further to worry about from Radeon cards and you can trust me on that. Whether they love me or hate me, nobody on this forum would ever say that I make things up.
It's the THICC-III and a sapphire card I was having issues with.

Lets say you're right, and it's the hardware, not the driver's.
I still haven't ever experienced such awful crashing with Nvidia products.

It's incredibly frustrating when playing anything competitive (MMO's, Racing games or first person shooters) to just randomly be crashed out.

Unless RDNA3 whoops Nvidia's next offerings performance wise, I'll gladly skip AMD, Or they fix their pricing structure. AMD cards are priced way to high for something so unreliable.
 

Avro Arrow

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It's the THICC-III and a sapphire card I was having issues with.
That's really weird... Still, a driver error wouldn't be able to cause a violent system power reset like what was happening to my system. It had to be a hardware problem because as soon as I took out my RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation and popped a Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro OC+ back in the problems ceased immediately and that was with the exact same installed drivers.
Lets say you're right, and it's the hardware, not the driver's.
I still haven't ever experienced such awful crashing with Nvidia products.
That's a strawman argument because up to then, I had never experienced anything like that with an ATi or AMD product either. My first ATi video card was purchased in 1987 so that means nothing.
It's incredibly frustrating when playing anything competitive (MMO's, Racing games or first person shooters) to just randomly be crashed out.
I completely understand. I'd be cursing the crap out of the card if that happened to me. I actually was cursing the crap out of it because it was crashing me out of Godfall, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey and Far Cry 6.
Unless RDNA3 whoops Nvidia's next offerings performance wise, I'll gladly skip AMD, Or they fix their pricing structure. AMD cards are priced way to high for something so unreliable.
Now you're just overreacting. I had one card give me problems out of all the ATi cards that I've ever owned and it was that one. Here's a list of all the ATi/AMD cards that I've owned:

EGA Wonder, VGA Wonder, Super VGA Wonder, Rage, Radeon 9500 Pro, Radeon HD 4870 (CF), Radeon HD 5870, Radeon HD 7970 (CF), Radeon R9 Fury (CF), Radeon RX 5700 XT, RX 6800 XT. That's FOURTEEN red cards that I've owned over the past 34+ years and ONE gave me a problem. The rest ran flawlessly which is why I continued to buy them.

I've purchased some nVidia cards as well with my TNT2 Vanta, GeForce FX-5200, GeForce 6200, GeForce 8400 GS and GeForce 8500 GT and just like the red cards, the green cards were just fine as well, except that my FX-5200 and 6200 both literally died while in use after the warranty expired. I didn't throw a hissy fit like you're doing, I just went out and bought a new card. I didn't say "I'm not buying nVidia anymore!" because I replaced my FX-5200 with a 6200 and replaced the 6200 with the 8500 GT.

I'm not going to be a drama queen and wail that I'm going to overspend on nVidia because ONE Radeon card had issues. That's just stupid, especially considering that nobody is complaining about RDNA2 and I can attest to that because my lovely RX 6800 XT runs flawlessly. I don't buy nVidia stuff because Jensen Huang is a greedy psychopath, not because I think that the cards aren't any good.

No matter what you buy, sooner or later, $hit happens. If you can't handle that, don't buy anything because there are always "X" number of products made by humans that are defective and 99% of the time, if you get a bad one, it's just bad luck. It doesn't mean that the company making it doesn't know what they're doing, especially when they've been doing it since 1985.

Experts without an axe to grind buy by spec because they've already seen it all. Noobs buy by brand because of ridiculous reasons like the one you just gave.