PC shipments continued to grow in Q2 2021, but signs suggest demand is dropping

Bobbydpue

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Apple shipping 6 million might not seem like much but if you also take into account all ipads and iphones as now basically part of the same ecosystem at least from a developer standpoint, that's significant.

Significant enough that they might start claiming back even more market share by 2022 specially with an effective M2 (or even M1X) chip and product line.
Not with their terrible purchase and repair costs.
 

Bobbydpue

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"memes" - If you can't actually make a good counter argument then please don't be sarcastic about it. It's annoying as hell.

For example: the 3D cache was already proven to bring big improvements in performance; DDR5 will also bring big improvements (as long as you don't buy the first gen modules that have loose timings); PCIe 5 will bring a lot more I/O in the motherboards, it's not just about games. And I can go on but it's not worth my time to explain more to you.
Until this new tech is actually available and benchmarked I'd hold off on calling it amazing or a meme.

"the 3D cache was already proven to bring big improvements in performance" Where can a user buy a product with 3D Cache and how have these "big improvements" been realized?
 

Dimitriid

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Not with their terrible purchase and repair costs.
Those are indeed pretty terrible, Louis Rossmann for example has opened that up for the public to be aware of for sure.

But that hasn't even slowed down Apple before so I don't see how it would slow them down now: they're good at cultivating their "Luxury item" image even if the actual hardware is anything but.
 

Puiu

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Until this new tech is actually available and benchmarked I'd hold off on calling it amazing or a meme.

"the 3D cache was already proven to bring big improvements in performance" Where can a user buy a product with 3D Cache and how have these "big improvements" been realized?
By showing off working prototypes like what AMD did for the 3D cache. That's how you can speculate on the final performance numbers. You can also just make informed predictions based on the information at hand (it's not hard to predict that the sun will rise in the morning).

Even if the real world numbers are 50% smaller than what AMD showed, it would still be a 10% improvement on average without changing the CPU core architecture.

On the same note we can easily speculate that next gen GPUs will be at least 2x more powerful than the current high end GPUs. For AMD we'll see multi-chip designs akin to Ryzen and for Nvidia it seems like they are also looking at doubling perf but in a different way (MCM is not yet confirmed for Nvidia in 2022).

I seriously don't understand what you problem is with my initial statement. I only mention things that are sure to happen in 2022 (or very close to it). All of these technologies will 100% make a difference in PC sales.

It doesn't even matter if DDR5 will not initially be significantly better than high end DDR4 modules (if at all), slap the DDR5 sticker on a PC and marketing will do the rest.

At the same time, the change in sockets and core technologies means that many people will not upgrade their existing PCs and will buy a new one.