Current system AMD Athon XP 2000 Windows XP Home ED 1gig DDR Ram (PC 2100 I belive) 60 gig Western Digital HD Geforce4 TI 4600 XP Vison Tek ASUS A7A266-E Mother Board (bought in Feb.'02) Nothing overclocked. With 30.82 drivers I score around 10,300 on 3D Mark. With the beta drivers (41.72 I think) I scrore around 11k. These scores are after a reformat about a month ago. I defrag once a week. I have the latest verson of cacheman to help with memory useage. Not alot of programs running in background. I have been beta testing a very graphic entinsive game called Asherons Call 2. I run AC2 in high and very high settings pretty good except in crowded areas. Real crowded areas (40+ people) it drops to crap, 10 second freezes are the worst I have seen. EVEN if I turn all settings down as low as possible. Last night I was playing Never Winter Nights in 1600x1200, all graphics maxed and occasionaly I was getting a little slow down which didn't seem right for my system but usually it did good. My brother has similar system but has a KT400 motherboard and he does seem to get pretty good preformance. Some times when I start a game or right after I turn my computer on my HD makes a weird sound. Kinda like a bogged down vibrating sound of a fan starting up, but I know its my HD not a fan. Wonder if my HD could have some porblems. Anyway, I will prolly be picking up a Geforce5 when they hit stores but since that may be Jan-Feb of next year I'm looking for advice one what else to upgrade. Do you think a new motherboard w/ 8xagp for Geforce5 when it hit's shelves or hard drive with 8mb cache would give a good increase? I have heard about the KT400's and the new MB based on Nforce2 chip set are suppose to be nice. Oh well, any suggestions?