Questions about CPU gaming compatibility
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vnf4ultra
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Depends on the game. Pretty soon SOME games will recommend more, but not all. Upgrading depends on what type of motherboard you have now. Like a socket a, 754, or 939. You can usually look up the motherboard at the manufacturers website to find a list of supported processors. What motherboard do you have?
Depends on the game. Pretty soon SOME games will recommend more, but not all. Upgrading depends on what type of motherboard you have now. Like a socket a, 754, or 939. You can usually look up the motherboard at the manufacturers website to find a list of supported processors. What motherboard do you have?
I don't know what type of motherboard I have, will I be able to find this out if I opened the case up and looked? I thought that upgrading similar type/technology processors didn't require a motherboard upgrade, and such a change is only required if Pentium made Pentium 5 or if AMD made a new version of their processors.
vnf4ultra
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Most motherboards say on them somewhere what model and brand they are. Mine has a sticker that says mfg. date, revision, and model number. And the brand is silkscreened on the board. Upgrading is tricky, pentium 4's, while all called pentium 4 can be of three different socket types (423,478,775). Amd athlons are socket a, and athlon 64s can be 754 or 939. And all that is not mentioning front side bus speed(intel p4 400mhz, 533mhz, 800mhz, 1066mhz). Basically, a new processor has to be the same socket type and use a front side bus speed that your motherboard supports. I think athlon socket a is the most simple because they only use 1 socket type(a) and 266, 333, and 400mhz front side bus. Some utility programs can find information out about your motherboard. I think Everest can do this and it's free.
Most motherboards say on them somewhere what model and brand they are. Mine has a sticker that says mfg. date, revision, and model number. And the brand is silkscreened on the board. Upgrading is tricky, pentium 4's, while all called pentium 4 can be of three different socket types (423,478,775). Amd athlons are socket a, and athlon 64s can be 754 or 939. And all that is not mentioning front side bus speed(intel p4 400mhz, 533mhz, 800mhz, 1066mhz). Basically, a new processor has to be the same socket type and use a front side bus speed that your motherboard supports. I think athlon socket a is the most simple because they only use 1 socket type(a) and 266, 333, and 400mhz front side bus. Some utility programs can find information out about your motherboard. I think Everest can do this and it's free.
Didou
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You cannot upgrade from an AthlonXP to an Athlon64 without changing boards, unless you use that weird ASRock board which has both sockets ( ASRock K7 Upgrade 880 ).
Didou
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An AthlonXP cannot really use a DualChannel memory configuration. The fastest FSB for the AthlonXP was 200mhz (400 DDR) & at that speed it couldn't only transfer about 3.2GB/s between it & the northbridge. PC3200 in a DualChannel configuration can transfer about 6.4GB/s so pretty much 50% of the bandwidth is unused.
Yes, all Socket-939 Athlon64s have an "on-die" DualChannel memory controller. The memory controller is now integrated to the Athlon64/Opteron CPU rather then the Northbridge.
Yes, all Socket-939 Athlon64s have an "on-die" DualChannel memory controller. The memory controller is now integrated to the Athlon64/Opteron CPU rather then the Northbridge.
pizzada
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Thanks Didou..
What if it's a 333 FSBus ? The one I was looking at is here: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-509&DEPA=1
plus I also noticed some Athlon (Barton) chips with 400 mhz FSB, would either or both of these be able to take advantage of DUAL channel ?
What if it's a 333 FSBus ? The one I was looking at is here: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-509&DEPA=1
plus I also noticed some Athlon (Barton) chips with 400 mhz FSB, would either or both of these be able to take advantage of DUAL channel ?
pizzada
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aaaahhh... I got it now.
I missed the (DDR), so the 333 would be just as you say...a 166.
It makes me wonder why they bother making Athlon MoBoards with DUAL CH if they aren't going to be able to use it.
Are there any other socket A chips that can take advantage of DUAL CH ?
You may have just saved me $20 bucks off a DUAL MoBo.
I missed the (DDR), so the 333 would be just as you say...a 166.
It makes me wonder why they bother making Athlon MoBoards with DUAL CH if they aren't going to be able to use it.
Are there any other socket A chips that can take advantage of DUAL CH ?
You may have just saved me $20 bucks off a DUAL MoBo.
Didou
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No, there aren't any Socket-A chips capable of using it to the fullest of its potential.
The object of DualChannel memory controllers at first was to also provide memory access to other devices on the system (all DMA devices such as sound cards, NIC, IDE controllers, etc.) without it having to fight the CPU for the available bandwidth.
The object of DualChannel memory controllers at first was to also provide memory access to other devices on the system (all DMA devices such as sound cards, NIC, IDE controllers, etc.) without it having to fight the CPU for the available bandwidth.
What's the top speed for an Athlon XP processor? 2 Ghz?
In response to vn4ultra's post I downloaded Everest and it tells me that my motherboard has the following properties: FSB properties are bus type DEC Alpha EV6, bus width 64 bit, real clock 133 MHz (DDR), bandwidth 2132 MB/s. What are the upgrade possibilities in relevance to that data?
In response to vn4ultra's post I downloaded Everest and it tells me that my motherboard has the following properties: FSB properties are bus type DEC Alpha EV6, bus width 64 bit, real clock 133 MHz (DDR), bandwidth 2132 MB/s. What are the upgrade possibilities in relevance to that data?
Ofcourse, Nvidia's chipsets do. They're the only one capable of on-the-fly Dolby digital Encoding for the last 5 years in Joe User consumer market.pizzada said:
There're 2 kinds of parallelism, co-operative parallelism, aggregate parallelism, and a combination of both. Nvidia utilized both in combination, hence they are called crossbar memory controllers.
Typical primitive and lower grade dual-channel implementations can only do "RAID 0" memory mode (co-operative parallelism - also called dual-channel-linear-mode memory) which most manufacturers other than Nvidia do have.
Yes it is, the benefits usually is transparent to users especially in aggregate mode (Dolby Digital Encoding on the fly is aggregate mode).
Its primary benefit is lower inherent IRQ latency for real-time, the reason why Creative Sound cards worked well with Nvidia chipsets, better than other manufacturers. The same applied to ATI video cards.
Problem, problem... <--- Both of them have the same identical problem despite variance in symptoms. The problem is excessive inherent IRQ Latency.
Its primary benefit is lower inherent IRQ latency for real-time, the reason why Creative Sound cards worked well with Nvidia chipsets, better than other manufacturers. The same applied to ATI video cards.
Problem, problem... <--- Both of them have the same identical problem despite variance in symptoms. The problem is excessive inherent IRQ Latency.
pizzada
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cool, thanks, Nein..
I can't afford a 939 MoBoard with DUAL Ch....because the cheapest 939 CPU was at around $150.
I only have $200 MAX for processor and MoBoard combo.
I am planning on a DUAL Channel, Asus 'A7v880'/Athlon 2800+(Barton) combo.
I'm about to buy this Thursday....any suggestions for same $ ?
I can't afford a 939 MoBoard with DUAL Ch....because the cheapest 939 CPU was at around $150.
I only have $200 MAX for processor and MoBoard combo.
I am planning on a DUAL Channel, Asus 'A7v880'/Athlon 2800+(Barton) combo.
I'm about to buy this Thursday....any suggestions for same $ ?
vnf4ultra
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Isn't a 133 fsb a 266(ddr)? The best I see on newegg is this.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-482&depa=1
The mobile versions just use less voltage I think.
3000+ = fast.
Isn't a 133 fsb a 266(ddr)? The best I see on newegg is this.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-482&depa=1
The mobile versions just use less voltage I think.
3000+ = fast.
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