Retailers are listing half a dozen new Ryzen CPUs

mongeese

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In a nutshell: A previously-rumored batch of Ryzen CPUs has been confirmed by the discovery of their listings in retailers’ catalogs. Although AMD has yet to announce the Ryzen 7, 5, and 3 class chips, the fact that they are already listed is a clear indication they are coming.

In January, AMD announced the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and scheduled it for a Spring release. Last week, several sources said it would come to market in mid-April alongside the as-yet-unannounced Ryzen 7 5700X, Ryzen 5 5600, 5500 and 4500, and Ryzen 3 4100.

A leaker posted the six CPUs’ OPNs (ordering part numbers) to Twitter on Thursday. Now that they can be searched for within the catalogs of online retailers, several listings can be found.

New CPUs

German retailer 2compute is listing the five unannounced CPUs and the 5800X3D. It has prices for all of them and specifications for some. French retailers Compufirst and PC21 both list the 5700X, and Belgium retailer Optishop similarly has the 4500.

Some retailers list the partial specifications of the CPUs but not their prices. British retailer IT4Profit is uniquely sharing their complete specifications, which are in the table below.

Possible Specifications

  R7 5700X R5 5600 R5 5500 R5 4500 R3 4100
Cores / Threads 8 / 16 6 / 12 4 / 8
Boost Clock 4.5 GHz 4.2 GHz 4.2 GHz 4.1 GHz 4.0 GHz
Base Clock 3.4 GHz 3.6 GHz 3.5 GHz 3.6 GHz 3.8 GHz
Cache 36 MB 36 MB 19 MB 11 MB 6 MB
TDP 65 W
Average Price* $291 $214 $174 $144 $114

For comparison, the octa-core 5800X has an MSRP of $450 but sells for around $350. Meanwhile, the hexa-core 5600X launched at $299 but sells for $230.

5800X3D

The 5800X3D is AMD’s first attempt at implementing its vertical cache stacking technology, V-Cache, in a consumer/gaming CPU. It has 64 MB of V-Cache in addition to the 32 MB of L3 cache a regular 5800X has for 96 MB in total.

Apart from that, it’s almost a normal 5800X. Its base and boost clock speeds have been reduced to 3.4 GHz and 4.5 GHz--decreases of 400 and 200 MHz, respectively. It’s also rumored to be non-overclockable.

Retailer 2compute lists the 5800X3D for $468 (excluding tax). However, 2compute has a record of slightly overpricing its unreleased CPUs, and so a realistic estimate for its MSRP would be $450, like the vanilla 5800X. At that price, it could have an interesting rivalry with the Core i7-12700K.

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Shadowboxer

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The ryzen 7 5800X3D is the fastest CPU in the world for gaming, this article doesn't seem to realize that comparing it to 12700k?...
We dont know this yet. Currently the fastest CPU in the world for gaming is the 12900K, then the 12700K. THe 12700K is coming in about $100 (or more) cheaper than this 5800X3D is listed for here so this 5800X3D needs to be a LOT faster to make it worth bothering with.
 

Theinsanegamer

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Very interested in that 4100, assuming it is zen 3 and can be made to boost to 4.7/8 like the 5800x. Would make a good low power replacement for my tv pc's 4790.
 

Shadowboxer

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Very interested in that 4100, assuming it is zen 3 and can be made to boost to 4.7/8 like the 5800x. Would make a good low power replacement for my tv pc's 4790.
My brother recently purchased a pre-built with a 4300G inside it for his TV. Its Zen 2 and it does not go to 4.7ghz. It is slower than the 7700K in his gaming PC which makes it probably about the same speed as a 4790.

I would be surprised if AMD released a 4100 thats faster than the 4300G.
 

kiwigraeme

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Any kind of 3D chip is interesting - I wonder if the connection number to nodes will be a huge benefit it the future.
For humans it's the number of synapses that its super important .
For a simple cube set up - 4 connections 2D , 6 for 3D
with diagonals as well 8 for 2D , 26 for 3D ( 9+9+8 )
Must be super hard to manufacture - except if atom by atom 3D printing .
Electrons are discrete in classical sense - but wonder if can make 1/2 electrons with right design ( some fancy mathematics - and using silicon and something else in another layer , or nearby -with different properties )
ie make more operatives and, or etc - different feedback systems - you see in larger electronic devices .

I still think we still have a long way to go in CPUs - outside of shrinking them
 

mongeese

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The ryzen 7 5800X3D is the fastest CPU in the world for gaming, this article doesn't seem to realize that comparing it to 12700k?...
The 12700K has an MSRP of $450, which is the same price the 5800X3D is expected to launch at. Admittedly, nothing sells for its MSRP these days, but it's a good base line.
 

Watzupken

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The 12700K has an MSRP of $450, which is the same price the 5800X3D is expected to launch at. Admittedly, nothing sells for its MSRP these days, but it's a good base line.
At the same price, the 12700K is probably a better deal since you get faster performance cores and also 4 e-cores that can help boost multithreaded performance almost to a 5900X level. The cache is bigger for AMD, but that will only affect applications that are cache size sensitive. Even in games, I don’t expect every game to benefit from the bigger cache.
 

mongeese

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At the same price, the 12700K is probably a better deal since you get faster performance cores and also 4 e-cores that can help boost multithreaded performance almost to a 5900X level. The cache is bigger for AMD, but that will only affect applications that are cache size sensitive. Even in games, I don’t expect every game to benefit from the bigger cache.
Steve will review it once it's released and find out for us :)
But I suspect you might be right.
 

Puiu

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At the same price, the 12700K is probably a better deal since you get faster performance cores and also 4 e-cores that can help boost multithreaded performance almost to a 5900X level. The cache is bigger for AMD, but that will only affect applications that are cache size sensitive. Even in games, I don’t expect every game to benefit from the bigger cache.
The extra cache should help with latency sensitive apps since you load more in cache and do fewer RAM requests.

Let's see some benchmarks first. I wonder if we'll get any MT improvements at all (maybe for compression/decompression?).
 

Irata

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Steve will review it once it's released and find out for us :)
But I suspect you might be right.
He already looked at cache vs cores using 10th gen Intel Core processor and while not all games benefit equally (some not at all), the results are promising:

https://www.techspot.com/article/2308-cpu-cores-and-cache/

To keep im mind that going from a 10600K to a 10900K L3 cache goes from 12MB to 20MB, in the case of a 5800X to a 5800X3D we are talking about 32MB vs 96MB, I.e. a far larger increase.

It will definitely be interesting to see if there‘s a point of diminishing returns.
 

Lionvibez

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We dont know this yet. Currently the fastest CPU in the world for gaming is the 12900K, then the 12700K. THe 12700K is coming in about $100 (or more) cheaper than this 5800X3D is listed for here so this 5800X3D needs to be a LOT faster to make it worth bothering with.

For a new build sure.

for anyone already on AM4 is it worth bothering with as its cheaper to buy a cpu and drop it in your board then to replace both board and cpu.
 

AlaskaGuy

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The 12700K has an MSRP of $450, which is the same price the 5800X3D is expected to launch at. Admittedly, nothing sells for its MSRP these days, but it's a good base line.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html
Recommended Customer Price: $314.00 - $324.00

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1675546-REG/intel_bx8071512700f_core_i7_12700f_desktop_processor.html
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.97

Recommended Customer Price: $384.00 - $394.00

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700KF-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B09FXKHN7M/
Intel Core i7-12700KF $377.99
 
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Theinsanegamer

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My brother recently purchased a pre-built with a 4300G inside it for his TV. Its Zen 2 and it does not go to 4.7ghz. It is slower than the 7700K in his gaming PC which makes it probably about the same speed as a 4790.

I would be surprised if AMD released a 4100 thats faster than the 4300G.
Cool, that's a 4300g. So far I've seen no evidence that this 4100 will be zen 2 based.
 

maroon1

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If 5800X3D it beats 12700K by just ~5% in low resolution gaming with high-end GPU then does that matter ??

Most gamer in real world will use low-end to midranged GPU for 1080p, and high-end GPU for 1440p and 4K. If 5800X3D can't win in these scenario then its pointless for most gamers

On the other hand, 12700K will win easily in multi-threeaded performance. Also, 12700K cost 385 dollars in amazon and newegg. Also, 12700KF (without iGPU) cost 378 dollars in amazon
 

Shadowboxer

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Cool, that's a 4300g. So far I've seen no evidence that this 4100 will be zen 2 based.
The evidence is that its a "4000" series. AMD are only using the "5000" for all Zen 3 products.

Anyway, heres more evidence, the 4100 is Zen 2 based;