Rumors pick up about a monstrous GeForce RTX 3090 Super on the way

Kosmoz

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That's why you're here to balance things out by posting anti-Nvidia and pro-AMD posts on every single article mentioning Nvidia. Who knows, maybe you're a paid shill?
How can I become a paid shill for AMD? Is there a registration form somewhere?

Joking aside, I would not shill for anyone even for 1mil $$$, I really care about my sanity and integrity more than being rich. I have enough money to live decently, I don't need more. I know, shocking, not wanting more and more and more money...

The moment I see AMD doing worse things than Intel and nvidia will be the moment I don't support them anymore. Until then I will show my dislike for the other two... those two would need to do a lot of good deeds (pro consumer deeds) to redeem themselves in my eyes.
 

Nobina

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How can I become a paid shill for AMD? Is there a registration form somewhere?

Joking aside, I would not shill for anyone even for 1mil $$$, I really care about my sanity and integrity more than being rich. I have enough money to live decently, I don't need more. I know, shocking, not wanting more and more and more money...

The moment I see AMD doing worse things than Intel and nvidia will be the moment I don't support them anymore. Until then I will show my dislike for the other two... those two would need to do a lot of good deeds (pro consumer deeds) to redeem themselves in my eyes.
AMD is more consumer friendly than the other two and I like that about them but in the end it's the product that matters and Nvidia right now has arguably better products than AMD. If it comes down to just prefrence I would pick AMD. Regardless, this guy is implying that this forum is advertising for Nvidia simply for making article about them as if they shouldn't report these things to not be biased.
 

Soupreme

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For a site thats closely related to Hardware Unboxed, which got shafted by Nvidia, its.....interesting.... how so many pro nvidia articles keep popping up with no meat in them....

Weird..just like paid advertisements....

Not normally one to weigh in down these parts, but I have to say it's... interesting that a tagline of "Hotter, hungrier and probably pricier, too" is being interpreted as a shill piece. I can't say I've seen any adverts out there that are proud of needing to ramp up power because the core isn't any better, removing technologies, or having overheating vRAM 😉
 

OortCloud

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NVidia continues to make ****-moves and ****-graphics-cards.
Stop trying to rinse any more money from anybody and just make some cards at reasonable prices and make them available to the public maybe? For example - one per Steam account (and Steam account must be 1 year old). It wouldn't be hard, but you can't be bothered as long as the money keeps rolling in.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Not normally one to weigh in down these parts, but I have to say it's... interesting that a tagline of "Hotter, hungrier and probably pricier, too" is being interpreted as a shill piece. I can't say I've seen any adverts out there that are proud of needing to ramp up power because the core isn't any better, removing technologies, or having overheating vRAM 😉
That all true and perhaps I overreacted a bit.

My main point though is that I find interesting that such vague information was enough to deserve an article.

*edited for clarification.
 
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NeoMorpheus

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That's why you're here to balance things out by posting anti-Nvidia and pro-AMD posts on every single article mentioning Nvidia. Who knows, maybe you're a paid shill?
Hmm, did I mentioned AMD?

About shilling, don’t confuse rejecting a good product because its sold by a shady company with being a paid shill.

Some people do follow their morals on all situations.

Lastly, I never mention anyone directly, yet for some weird reasons, fanbois come after me, all offended, but hey, that might earn them some “points” with their favorite brand.
 

Kosmoz

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Nvidia right now has arguably better products than AMD.
Arguably yes, but at what cost and at what difference?

Is the difference +50% better than AMD or maybe + 40%? NO. In some cases nvidia actually loses, so in the end considering the pros and cons, the losses and wins, nvidia is by a minority ahead of AMD, Ampere vs RDNA2, considering performance and features in gaming.

So now comes the "cost" part. I consider cost all these factors:
- being constantly mocked, lied and spit in the face with BS PR like "we care about gamers", and then they proceed to sell directly to miners for hundreds of millions of $$$, maybe even billions at this point.
- saying we will make LHR GPUs now for gamers, only to give the miners the drivers to unlock the cards themselves later or by selling both LHR and regular GPUs until this day, still.
- raising prices to absurd levels for minimal gains in performance starting with Turing (vs Pascal) and again with Ampere vs (Turing), with only one GPU that is non-existent having a decent MSRP, the 3080, which we all know now is fake price. After the initial wave, there was nowhere to be seen at that price ever again and all the other GPUs in the line-up have fake MSRP and the real prices, are scumbag level prices.
- mocking and lying gamers for almost 2 years with RTX and DLSS, until they actually had games to represent those tech. They had almost ZERO for 1.5 years and only because AMD was so good with RDNA2 made nvidia actually accelerate and implement those in more games and improve the tech.
- keeping DLSS a closed box while dumping in the trash bin all the old nvidia customers from Pascal and older, but demanding we upgrade to RTX series and we pay the premium for that, like fools without principles and self respect.

Sadly, the majority of people will sell their cat, dog, kidney, grandma and probably their soul just to get an RTX Ampere GPU. They have zero principles, or self respect as long as they get that +10% best GPU, they are happy.

A Tragicomedy, but disgusting at the same time, what humanity has come to. Brainwashed by consumerism with the "I need it now, I need the best, no matter the price or the consequences..." Everything for pleasure and satisfaction, slaves to Gluttony.
 

Nobina

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Arguably yes, but at what cost and at what difference?

Is the difference +50% better than AMD or maybe + 40%? NO. In some cases nvidia actually loses, so in the end considering the pros and cons, the losses and wins, nvidia is by a minority ahead of AMD, Ampere vs RDNA2, considering performance and features in gaming.

So now comes the "cost" part. I consider cost all these factors:
- being constantly mocked, lied and spit in the face with BS PR like "we care about gamers", and then they proceed to sell directly to miners for hundreds of millions of $$$, maybe even billions at this point.
- saying we will make LHR GPUs now for gamers, only to give the miners the drivers to unlock the cards themselves later or by selling both LHR and regular GPUs until this day, still.
- raising prices to absurd levels for minimal gains in performance starting with Turing (vs Pascal) and again with Ampere vs (Turing), with only one GPU that is non-existent having a decent MSRP, the 3080, which we all know now is fake price. After the initial wave, there was nowhere to be seen at that price ever again and all the other GPUs in the line-up have fake MSRP and the real prices, are scumbag level prices.
- mocking and lying gamers for almost 2 years with RTX and DLSS, until they actually had games to represent those tech. They had almost ZERO for 1.5 years and only because AMD was so good with RDNA2 made nvidia actually accelerate and implement those in more games and improve the tech.
- keeping DLSS a closed box while dumping in the trash bin all the old nvidia customers from Pascal and older, but demanding we upgrade to RTX series and we pay the premium for that, like fools without principles and self respect.

Sadly, the majority of people will sell their cat, dog, kidney, grandma and probably their soul just to get an RTX Ampere GPU. They have zero principles, or self respect as long as they get that +10% best GPU, they are happy.

A Tragicomedy, but disgusting at the same time, what humanity has come to. Brainwashed by consumerism with the "I need it now, I need the best, no matter the price or the consequences..." Everything for pleasure and satisfaction, slaves to Gluttony.
Yeah, I said arguably better, not just outright better. The way Nvidia bullshits their customers is awful but most are not invested into the brand enough to even read whatever Nvidia annouces or does. The rest believe them so you had a bunch of people swearing by ray tracing even though they were playing at medium settings just to have RT on which defeats the purpose of it.
 

Watzupken

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It is a pointless product for most people, even people using it for professional software or purpose. The existing 3090 is utilising an almost maxed out GA102 specs, so there is barely any headroom for any tangible improvement in performance. The increase power limit is probably there to allow for a higher sustained boost clock speed, just so that the improvement is not 1 to 2% by enabling the remaining CUDA cores. But there are already higher end 3090 that have power limit in the 450W range, and as we also observe, that increase in 100W don't really make a significant difference in terms of performance. You get around 100 to 200 Mhz higher sustained boost, which translates to a lacklustre FPS boost in games.
 

Kosmoz

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It is a pointless product for most people, even people using it for professional software or purpose. The existing 3090 is utilising an almost maxed out GA102 specs, so there is barely any headroom for any tangible improvement in performance. The increase power limit is probably there to allow for a higher sustained boost clock speed, just so that the improvement is not 1 to 2% by enabling the remaining CUDA cores. But there are already higher end 3090 that have power limit in the 450W range, and as we also observe, that increase in 100W don't really make a significant difference in terms of performance. You get around 100 to 200 Mhz higher sustained boost, which translates to a lacklustre FPS boost in games.
The increase in power is also for the GDDR6X at 21 Gbps.

You guys did not get it by now that this is Jensen's response to the RX 6900 XTXH version?

He does not like that top RDNA2 wins in 1080p (all games), 1440p (most games) and in 4k (about 30-40% of games, depending if it's nvidia optimized or AMD optimized).

Jensen absolutely hates this situation, he wants his best gaming GPU to be 20% or more ahead of the competition in all games and all resolutions, if possible. He's used to Pascal and Turing winning margins vs AMD. This time around RDNA2 is too good to be beaten like that.

Of course even with the 3090 Super he won't achieve that, but at least it will not lose so bad vs RX 6900 XTXH, where is looses now and will win more where it already wins.

That's all there is, e-pen and ego stroking contest that influences mindshare.
 

OortCloud

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The only good news here is that Quantum P will no longer have the latest and greatest and may not feel the need to tell us about his 3090 FTW on any article even remotely related.
 

NeoMorpheus

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The rest believe them so you had a bunch of people swearing by ray tracing even though they were playing at medium settings just to have RT on which defeats the purpose of it.
The sad reality is, the hype behind RT is simply insane.

I have seen only a couple of times (Quake and Minecraft) were RT seemed to make a nice difference. The rest seems to be same thing "lets pause the game and concentrate in this beautiful ray-traced puddle".

The performance hit taken by what I feel is very little gain its simply not worth it.

Better yet, the ones that have fallen for the hype also ignore the fact that the amount of games that have it AND produce any reasonable results are very few.
 

Rdmetz

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That all true and perhaps I overreacted a bit.

My main point though is that I find interesting that such vague information was enough to deserve an article.

*edited for clarification.
Got shunned by the teacher and suddenly feeling different.

The article (like most articles during slow times) is about driving interactions and clicks.

If it is even close to being "news" these sites are going to report it. And at this point these rumors are almost always eventually actual things.

So to not report about it would almost be doing the opposite to what you claim they are doing.

They are just a window into the world and if that windows working properly it just displays the other side without distortion.
 

Rdmetz

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I have no actual need for this card but I'm still interested in knowing more about specifically when it's launching and how much it will cost.

So far in the last couple gpu cycles I've managed to go from sli 1080ti's to 2080 ti to 3080 and finally 3080 ti and I haven't spent a penny since the 1080ti's.

In fact the first 2 upgrades put money in my pocket and the last one was an even swap (to a miner who got a 3080ti ftw3 ultra but wanted my exact same card but in 3080 form).

If I can land one of these and pricing is in the realm of I can sell my card and pay for this one then I'll likley do it.

I don't buy cards to scalp and have as of late let half dozen evga card notify come in my inbox and go but if I can get an upgrade out of it for free.... Why not.
 

CybaGirl

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Oh dear!

The tree huggers are going to be up in arms about the power draw!

But on a personal level a video card drawing so much power is something I cannot afford to buy and it is the main reason I have chosen NVIDIA over AMD when I have purchased a video card as in all the comparisons I have done. NVIDIA always had less power draw over a comparison AMD card.

I just hope that this isn't going to be the new norm so to speak as it's bad enough having to pay what we pay for a card. Let alone having to pay the electricity bill on top of running such a power hungry card.
 

Avro Arrow

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How can I become a paid shill for AMD? Is there a registration form somewhere?

Joking aside, I would not shill for anyone even for 1mil $$$, I really care about my sanity and integrity more than being rich. I have enough money to live decently, I don't need more. I know, shocking, not wanting more and more and more money...
That just means you're not a psychopath who is driven by extreme avarice. This is a good thing, a normal thing. Something that for some reason, the American mass-media and pop-culture don't seem to understand.
The moment I see AMD doing worse things than Intel and nvidia will be the moment I don't support them anymore. Until then I will show my dislike for the other two... those two would need to do a lot of good deeds (pro consumer deeds) to redeem themselves in my eyes.
As the Protoss High Templar used to say, "You think as I do!"
 

Avro Arrow

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The sad reality is, the hype behind RT is simply insane.

I have seen only a couple of times (Quake and Minecraft) were RT seemed to make a nice difference. The rest seems to be same thing "lets pause the game and concentrate in this beautiful ray-traced puddle".

The performance hit taken by what I feel is very little gain its simply not worth it.

Better yet, the ones that have fallen for the hype also ignore the fact that the amount of games that have it AND produce any reasonable results are very few.
Yeah, people act like Ray-Tracing is some incredible thing. This is especially true with the younger set who don't know what a real graphics game-changer is. So today, I'm going to compare Ray-Tracing with a REAL game-changer (graphics-wise) that came out around ten years ago.

So, to be fair to Ray-Tracing, I'll use the most dramatic and successful implementation in gaming thus far, Control:

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The first picture does have the most dramatic difference I've ever seen and it does look REALLY good. Having said that, the game still looks REALLY good with it off. It's not like the first picture is ugly and, as stated, this picture is the most dramatic differential picture that I could find. I won't say that the second picture doesn't look better because of course it does but, as with all of these ray-tracing pictures, the only way to notice is to have them side-by-side because the difference is all environmental eye-candy.
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This one shows a nice reflection on the floor. Would I notice this during gaming? Absolutely not. Again, the only way it's noticeable is if we're looking at it like this. Otherwise, it would have no effect whatsoever.
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In this pic, she looks redder but what I find really funny is that the purely rasterised pic on the right has a reflection that's about 95% as good as the one on the left. Ray-Tracing makes literally no difference here.
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Speaking of a "Who Cares?" kind of pic, I showed this to a couple of co-workers and asked if they could see any difference between them. The most common answer? "I can see an extra button in the right-side pic." Not one person noticed the darker shadow at her hairline.
- Need I say more? :laughing:
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This one really makes me laugh because I actually think that she looks better without Ray-Tracing enabled.
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Hardware Canucks actually had to put arrows to show the differences between these pictures. What does that tell you? :laughing:

And I think that this one is from Cyberpunk 2020:
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Yep, that extra green reflection on the ground is a real game-changer alright. It looks like Slimer from Ghostbusters had a bit of a diaper accident there so don't step in it! :laughing:

Now, all jokes aside, let's look at a REAL game-changer in gaming graphics, perhaps the biggest game-changer in gaming graphics since the invention of rasterisation. It was first widely seen in the Unigine Heaven benchmark from about ten years ago and is called...TESSELLATION.

Tessellation was a REAL game changer because it had a dramatic effect on the detail and geometry of EVERYTHING. A game with tessellation only barely resembled a game without it because the difference was literally night and day:
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I'm certain that I don't have to explain just how much more epic Tessellation is compared to Ray-Tracing. Even more close-up, you can see the dramatic difference between them:
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unigine_heaven_2.1_gtx480_opengl_tessellation.jpg

Back then, tessellation was also pretty hard on the fps rates. Of course, nVidia was up to their usual shenanigans as well by putting absurd levels of tessellation into their GameWorks developer packages. They were right that Tessellation was an amazing innovation but they pushed it for a different reason. That reason was that their cards were set up for it but ATi's cards weren't. ATi's cards certainly could do Tessellation but they took a larger performance hit than nVidia's did. However, nVidia's GameWorks was so overblown with Tessellation that it actually hurt the experiences of GeForce users. The reason that nVidia did this was because it hurt Radeon users even more. Yes, they were a bunch of Richards even back then.

Now you know what a REAL game-changing graphical innovation is and what it can do. Ray-Tracing is, and will probably always be, nothing more than a fancy frill. Don't get me wrong, the idea of Ray-Tracing is a good idea, but it has been horribly over-hyped by nVidia and I don't think that it will ever have the same revolutionary effect on gaming graphics as Tessellation did and still does today.
 
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NeoMorpheus

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Impressive post and thank you for putting my words in pictures, really provides a way better explanation to my words.

In the end, is mostly the same, a reflection and if it is on a puddle, its then beyond magical! :)

it has been horribly over-hyped by nVidia
Honestly, I blame the ignorant drones, not Nvidia.

Its their marketing team's job to mention it, but the fools are running with it as if it came from heaven itself, instead of using some critical and logical thinking.

Of course, some sites and youtubers dont help...

Yesterday, for example, I was looking at a couple of videos for ITX cases and every...single...one...of..them was the same BS... "We are going to test with a 3090 blah blah blah".

The perception of the not so bright people is that they must also like/desire a nvidia card because its whats shoved on their faces every time they see one of these videos.

Which then makes me wonder on the integrity of those youtubers/reviewers and how much can they be trusted to provide a real review or a paid for one.

About that last one, I personally feel that every video/review from LTT is paid for and only watch it for entertainment purposes, not for a valid review.
 

Irata

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You know what would be really cool - if they used ray tracing for improved AI in games, e.g. to determine when an enemy can hear you or locate you by sound.

That would be a very useful change, but none that marketing can show shiny pictures of.
 

NeoMorpheus

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You know what would be really cool - if they used ray tracing for improved AI in games, e.g. to determine when an enemy can hear you or locate you by sound.

That would be a very useful change, but none that marketing can show shiny pictures of.
Personally, I would love to see it used in Subnautica, since the illumination in that game is all over the place because of its nature (sun light passing thru water all the time).

Assuming that the performance hit doesnt kill the whole thing.
 

Irata

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Personally, I would love to see it used in Subnautica, since the illumination in that game is all over the place because of its nature (sun light passing thru water all the time).

Assuming that the performance hit doesnt kill the whole thing.
I actually meant using rt not for visuals but to determine if the AI characters in a game can see / hear you, or not.

Examples are that you may be in their line of sight but they cannot see you since you are in a darker area or alternatively you are not in their line of sight but they can see your reflection. In the latter case, the player would need to be able to see the npcs‘ reflection, as well for it to be fair.
 

NeoMorpheus

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I actually meant using rt not for visuals but to determine if the AI characters in a game can see / hear you, or not.

Examples are that you may be in their line of sight but they cannot see you since you are in a darker area or alternatively you are not in their line of sight but they can see your reflection. In the latter case, the player would need to be able to see the npcs‘ reflection, as well for it to be fair.
Sorry I didnt say it, but yes, your point its also a good one.