Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Core i7-12700KF: Best CPU For Gamers

godrilla

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The 5800x3d is a really interesting part, honestly I think its lead will continue to grow as the years drag on.
Also for the pool of AM4 customers this is a great cpu as a last hurra for the chipset. While the i72070kf might be a cheaper cpu and performance to match I believe the 5800x3d is a better bargain for minimum at of pocket cost for those who already own compatible am4 motherboard. As some stated here you have to get better ram for the intel cpu to get better performance ( ram that is also coming at a very high premium currently ).
Lastly the customer on the am4 platform can sell their current cpu and upgrade at even lower at of pocket cost. The intel part is competitive for new customers.
5800x3d might age like fine wine and possibly still beat the intel part with faster ram in the long run.
 

Crinkles

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Also for the pool of AM4 customers this is a great cpu as a last hurra for the chipset. While the i72070kf might be a cheaper cpu and performance to match I believe the 5800x3d is a better bargain for minimum at of pocket cost for those who already own compatible am4 motherboard. As some stated here you have to get better ram for the intel cpu to get better performance ( ram that is also coming at a very high premium currently ).
Lastly the customer on the am4 platform can sell their current cpu and upgrade at even lower at of pocket cost. The intel part is competitive for new customers.
5800x3d might age like fine wine and possibly still beat the intel part with faster ram in the long run.

An Intel owner can sell their used parts, likewise Intel CPU's are manufactured to withstand the ravages of the years.
DDR5 is not as expensive as it used to be, DDR4 Intel motherboards are comparably priced and are in stock.
Fine-wine aging is a misnomer for a silly idea, such a process borders on magic. Improvements through software iteration are likely, and are a part of the process for companies with an on-going interest in the hardware they've sold. It's good for their image as a vendor too. An important question is why does AMD stack their software releases up for...so long? Intel has regular releases so it is possible.
 

godrilla

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An Intel owner can sell their used parts, likewise Intel CPU's are manufactured to withstand the ravages of the years.
DDR5 is not as expensive as it used to be, DDR4 Intel motherboards are comparably priced and are in stock.
Fine-wine aging is a misnomer for a silly idea, such a process borders on magic. Improvements through software iteration are likely, and are a part of the process for companies with an on-going interest in the hardware they've sold. It's good for their image as a vendor too. An important question is why does AMD stack their software releases up for...so long? Intel has regular releases so it is possible.
What would a z690 motherboard owner be upgrading from to upgrade to a i72700kf though? The pool of customers with AM4 with inferior performance to a 5800x3d is multi generational and potentially in the millions. For a 32 gig ddr5 kit we are looking at $300 as a minimum unless gamers are still going with a 16 gig kits in 2022 then you can a decent kits close to $200. So if gamers have older incompatible motherboards the i727000kf is the better choice especially if they are willing to upgrade to high end ddr5 kits. For the pool of AM4 compatible customers who are on inferior gaming performance to the 5800x3d than the 5800x3d is the obvious better choice.
 

Crinkles

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What would a z690 motherboard owner be upgrading from to upgrade to a i72700kf though?
i72700kf ~ i7 2700kf?,

Assuming a 12-700 part, the 12700K "currently retails for $450 the KF is slightly cheaper at $430 ". These parts are competing with AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X which features a "$450 MSRP although the street price has been adjusted and right now you can buy one for around $390 ".

Ofc market adjusted, competitive prices have changed. Sometimes by a lot. So here's a value upgrade proposition: Intels I-9 - 12th gen is $650, "is positioned between the Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X, costing $520 and $750, respectively."
A 3D chip doesn't offer much over staying with Intel, the i9 12000 at MSRP of $489 is a $100 bump and some users won't hesitate since the original 12gen chip at resale will recoup a lions share of the upgrade cost.

The pool of customers with AM4 with inferior performance to a 5800x3d is multi generational and potentially in the millions.

AMD caused that by flooding the market with inferior chips, freshman moves result in freshman blues. It's become ridiculously easy for AMD loyalists to justify $500 ROG Strix Intel motherboards.

I blame Intel for that.

For a 32 gig ddr5 kit we are looking at $300 as a minimum unless gamers are still going with a 16 gig kits in 2022 then you can a decent kits close to $200.

That DDR5 32GB is $195.48 Here after applying a $5.00 discount code found on the same page, $200.48 sans code, the 5600mhz version is priced at $118.oo per 16gb. Expect 6000mhz to cost a bit more...

So if gamers have older incompatible motherboards the i727000kf is the better choice especially if they are willing to upgrade to high end ddr5 kits. For the pool of AM4 compatible customers who are on inferior gaming performance to the 5800x3d than the 5800x3d is the obvious better choice.

Intel only has three customers, don't expect them all to upgrade soon. Just ones in my back yard who live in blue tents and drive orange cars.
 

Ohnooze

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Actually if it's just for gaming I would say the i5 12600k is a far better option than both.
You would be looking at saving about $100 for about the same performance. The 12700kf makes sense if you're doing other things other than just gaming and the 5800x3D makes sense if your existing mobo is compatible.

But damn the i5 12600k can be had for $280 and the 5800x3d is $450.
 
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godrilla

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i72700kf ~ i7 2700kf?,

Assuming a 12-700 part, the 12700K "currently retails for $450 the KF is slightly cheaper at $430 ". These parts are competing with AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X which features a "$450 MSRP although the street price has been adjusted and right now you can buy one for around $390 ".

Ofc market adjusted, competitive prices have changed. Sometimes by a lot. So here's a value upgrade proposition: Intels I-9 - 12th gen is $650, "is positioned between the Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X, costing $520 and $750, respectively."
A 3D chip doesn't offer much over staying with Intel, the i9 12000 at MSRP of $489 is a $100 bump and some users won't hesitate since the original 12gen chip at resale will recoup a lions share of the upgrade cost.



AMD caused that by flooding the market with inferior chips, freshman moves result in freshman blues. It's become ridiculously easy for AMD loyalists to justify $500 ROG Strix Intel motherboards.

I blame Intel for that.



That DDR5 32GB is $195.48 Here after applying a $5.00 discount code found on the same page, $200.48 sans code, the 5600mhz version is priced at $118.oo per 16gb. Expect 6000mhz to cost a bit more...



Intel only has three customers, don't expect them all to upgrade soon. Just ones in my back yard who live in blue tents and drive orange cars.
Seems like ddr5 ram kits are falling in price FYI corsair has a 3 day Spring sale with 10% off the whole site. Use spring10 code FYI. Cheers!
 
Please add Star Citizen latest alpha to your line up of benchmarks - this is the only game I have come across that really brings the CPU to its knees. For this I can report the 5800X3D is a total beast when upgrading from a 3900. I see a difference from 22 fps (3900) -> 40 (5800X3D) in Orison - the worst part of the game. Getting reliably over 30fps here, and 60 solid elsewhere is actually game changing. Getting 144 fps or 170 is not.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Actually if it's just for gaming I would say the i5 12600k is a far better option than both.
You would be looking at saving about $100 for about the same performance. The 12700kf makes sense if you're doing other things other than just gaming and the 5800x3D makes sense if your existing mobo is compatible.

But damn the i5 12600k can be had for $280 and the 5800x3d is $450.
The i7 12700 / 12700F is another viable option.

MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 $129.99

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-B660M-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09PXD16F6
MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4 $159.04

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.96

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