Scalpers are struggling to sell the RTX 4080 above MSRP, but retailers won't let them...

bandit8623

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I don't know how it is outside the EU, but inside the EU:
- you resell: you have to accept returns;
- you sell as second hand "as new": you don't have to accept returns;
- you are a person who buys a super inflated priced gpu just to play games: ... that person can figure it out...
On ebay.. my company sells used electronics in the USA. Ebay policy basically makes the selling take returns no matter what.
 

Avro Arrow

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I swear, I don't know how some authors manage to miss the forest for the trees but this one CLEARLY HAS.

Over the past 10+ years, I've said that if people would exercise a little SELF-CONTROL, that nVidia wouldn't be able to victimise them as has been happening. People didn't listen and so I had to hear people cry about nVidia's pricing which was 100% their own fault!

Here we have a situation where we see the great results that come when consumers actually DO exercise self-control but that's not even mentioned in this article. It is literally the most important lesson to learn from all of this but even the "Tech Press" are completely oblivious to it. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive, don't buy nVidia. Sooner or later, those cards WILL come down in price and nVidia will maybe think twice next time before trying to screw their customers over in such a blatant manner.

Nobody's crying that they're stuck without these cards because the previous-gen cards are still out there and they're more than potent enough for high-end gaming. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive for the performance level that you want, don't get a weaker GeForce card, get the Radeon that does give you the performance that you want. Doing that would dramatically increase the chance that nVidia will be more reasonable with their prices in the next 1 or 2 generations if people turned away from them and it would fix the terrible state of the GPU market that we currently see.

If you learn nothing else from this situation, make sure that you learn this!
 
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Tran Bronstein

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I swear, I don't know how some authors manage to miss the forest for the trees but this one CLEARLY HAS.

Over the past 10+ years, I've said that if people would exercise a little SELF-CONTROL, that nVidia wouldn't be able to victimise them as has been happening. People didn't listen and so I had to hear people cry about nVidia's pricing which was 100% their own fault!

Here we have a situation where we see the great results that come when consumers actually DO exercise self-control but that's not even mentioned in this article. It is literally the most important lesson to learn from all of this but even the "Tech Press" are completely oblivious to it. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive, don't buy nVidia. Sooner or later, those cards WILL come down in price and nVidia will maybe think twice next time before trying to screw their customers over in such a blatant manner.

Nobody's crying that they're stuck without these cards because the previous-gen cards are still out there and they're more than potent enough for high-end gaming. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive for the performance level that you want, don't get a weaker GeForce card, get the Radeon that does give you the performance that you want. Doing that would dramatically increase the chance that nVidia will be more reasonable with their prices in the next 1 or 2 generations if people turn away from them and it would fix the terrible state of the GPU market that we currently see.

If you learn nothing else from this situation, make sure that you learn this!

THIS. As much as I obviously hate scalpers (see my comment above, the simple truth is that gamers caved in to them and justified both their actions and then NVIDIAs. The truth is that gamers as a whole are responsible for the situation we find ourselves in now. For the record, I am one of the ones who exercised the restraint and self-control you are talking about and I am no better off for it thanks to scalpers, NVIDIA and stupid gamers with more money (or credit debt) than brains.
 

erickmendes

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I swear, I don't know how some authors manage to miss the forest for the trees but this one CLEARLY HAS.

Over the past 10+ years, I've said that if people would exercise a little SELF-CONTROL, that nVidia wouldn't be able to victimise them as has been happening. People didn't listen and so I had to hear people cry about nVidia's pricing which was 100% their own fault!

Here we have a situation where we see the great results that come when consumers actually DO exercise self-control but that's not even mentioned in this article. It is literally the most important lesson to learn from all of this but even the "Tech Press" are completely oblivious to it. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive, don't buy nVidia. Sooner or later, those cards WILL come down in price and nVidia will maybe think twice next time before trying to screw their customers over in such a blatant manner.

Nobody's crying that they're stuck without these cards because the previous-gen cards are still out there and they're more than potent enough for high-end gaming. The lesson is, if nVidia's too expensive for the performance level that you want, don't get a weaker GeForce card, get the Radeon that does give you the performance that you want. Doing that would dramatically increase the chance that nVidia will be more reasonable with their prices in the next 1 or 2 generations if people turned away from them and it would fix the terrible state of the GPU market that we currently see.

If you learn nothing else from this situation, make sure that you learn this!

Frankly, I don't believe in consumer self-control... I think a lot of people got RTX 3000s at scalpers price in the last years when the pandemic and mining was hitting hard GPU prices, but we was not yet in the economic crisis we entered when the pandemic was lingering on... Now we are not yet out of the pandemic, but fully into economic depression... People don't have surplus to spend (or dont' want) in a brand new GPU anymore.

Consumer don't have self-control, they have wishes, they crave to consume... That's how our consumer oriented economy works.
 

Avro Arrow

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Frankly, I don't believe in consumer self-control... I think a lot of people got RTX 3000s at scalpers price in the last years when the pandemic and mining was hitting hard GPU prices, but we was not yet in the economic crisis we entered when the pandemic was lingering on... Now we are not yet out of the pandemic, but fully into economic depression... People don't have surplus to spend (or dont' want) in a brand new GPU anymore.

Consumer don't have self-control, they have wishes, they crave to consume... That's how our consumer oriented economy works.
Sure, but not everyone is like that. For example, I won't be buying another video card until my RX 6800 XT becomes unusable. I won't be buying another CPU, motherboard or RAM until my 5800X3D becomes unusable. I haven't purchased anything from Intel or nVidia since before 2008, despite the (absurd) amount of praise that their products have received from "the tech press" and I've been happy as a clam.

Consumerism only affects those who are easily programmed by marketing. I'm not one of those people.