Some games might need an update to be compatible with Intel Alder Lake processors

Puiu

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Haha no. So AMD FX8350 performs close to a Ryzen 5800X I guess?

In "leaks" i9-12900K performs like a 5950X in multithreaded loads and beats it in single thread tests.

This is AMDs first time not competing against 14nm with Ryzen. It's going to fun to see how AMD will compete without having a major node advantage, because Alder Lake looks great with +40% performance in Ashes CPU bench compared to AMDs flagship 5950X which is a 800 dollar CPU.

However Raptor Lake will be much better than Alder Lake and software will have matured by then and DDR5 needs to improve too, in terms of clockspeed and latency. So personally I won't be buying Alder Lake.
The Ashes benchmark is very misleading right now since it released a version updated specifically for AL (let's be real, 40% is just fantasy). Who updates a benchmark for the very specific "24 threads"? O_o I would ignore it just like you should also ignore the userbenchmark "leaks".

In general I can see MT being similar to current gen Ryzen with ST being 10-15% better in the best case scenarios. But that would mean that Zen3 + 3D Cache will just edge out or equal Intel again without a change in process node for AMD.
 
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Yenega

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Different generations of CPU's are not a valid comparison. We need to compare Alder Lake with the new progeny of AMD to be fair.
AMD won't have anything "new" till AM5 launches.

3D Cache refresh on 6nm (aka optimized 7nm) is a stopgap solution because AMD is not able to use TSMC 5nm line yet. Apple pretty much owns that node for the next year.

AM5 will launch with 5nm CPUs and DDR5 support in late 2022 or early 2023.

However, Raptor Lake will launch around the same time, Intel 13th Gen on the Intel 4 proces which is their former 7nm node, with 25% IPC uplift, lower watt usage and probably higher clockspeeds (or identical, as Alder Lake seems to boost to 5.3ish on the best SKUs - we will probably see people running these at 5.3-5.5 GHz on all cores for 24/7 usage)


I will upgrade my system in 2023/2024 and I will choose whatever performs the best at that time. I could not care less about how many threads the CPUs have, if performance is on point.

Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 (AM5) is going to be the true next gen platforms.
 

bravesgood

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The Ashes benchmark is very misleading right now since it released a version updated specifically for AL (let's be real, 40% is just fantasy). Who updates a benchmark for the very specific "24 threads"? O_o I would ignore it just like you should also ignore the userbenchmark "leaks".

In general I can see MT being similar to current gen Ryzen with ST being 10-15% better in the best case scenarios. But that would mean that Zen3 + 3D Cache will just edge out or equal Intel again without a change in process node for AMD.

Genuinely curious to know how much Intel gave those developers to "update" an ancient benchmark like that.
 

Puiu

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Genuinely curious to know how much Intel gave those developers to "update" an ancient benchmark like that.
That bench gets updates regularly, but that one was clearly aimed at Intel. They could update from 8 cores to 16 cores and 24 threads but not 32 threads? :) (from their changelog: Max threads increased from 16 to 24 to increase performance as many machines now have more CPU cores)

Not to mention the simple fact that the R9 5950 already has results between 14000 and 15000 which makes the difference only a few percent in a benchmark that already favoured Intel in previous generations.
 

Puiu

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AMD won't have anything "new" till AM5 launches.

3D Cache refresh on 6nm (aka optimized 7nm) is a stopgap solution because AMD is not able to use TSMC 5nm line yet. Apple pretty much owns that node for the next year.

AM5 will launch with 5nm CPUs and DDR5 support in late 2022 or early 2023.

However, Raptor Lake will launch around the same time, Intel 13th Gen on the Intel 4 proces which is their former 7nm node, with 25% IPC uplift, lower watt usage and probably higher clockspeeds (or identical, as Alder Lake seems to boost to 5.3ish on the best SKUs - we will probably see people running these at 5.3-5.5 GHz on all cores for 24/7 usage)


I will upgrade my system in 2023/2024 and I will choose whatever performs the best at that time. I could not care less about how many threads the CPUs have, if performance is on point.

Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 (AM5) is going to be the true next gen platforms.
Other than the fact that intel is targeting 5.5GHz we know nothing about how good the IPC in RL will be. What we do know is that Zen 4 is targeting 20-29% IPC uplift (only god knows what is the truth right now).
 

wiyosaya

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No more performance is progress. If this architecture beats a traditional 16 core at compute tasks and benchmarks then having less threads means nothing, it would be the superior architecture.

You need to free your mind from core and thread count. Have a look at how fast the chip is for what you might use it for.
Too late. You've drunk sIntel's cool aid.
 

Sausagemeat

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Too late. You've drunk sIntel's cool aid.
Lmao. No I am right. I understand that you AMD fans are desperate to find a problem with Intels latest architecture. However if Intels chips perform faster then their architecture is superior. In fact going “sure it’s faster but it’s worse because it has less threads” is the lowest IQ argument I’ve heard from the AMD fan camp for a while..

Thread count is meaningless if it doesnt translate to higher performance..
 

Sausagemeat

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Performance will always be closely tied to the number of cores and threads.



You're comparing entirely different processors. They have to be at the same technological level.
No they are comparable. They will both be on sale and competitive with each other. You should compare the performance. The thread count is irrelevant. The performance is what counts.
 

Puiu

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Too late. You've drunk sIntel's cool aid.
No they are comparable. They will both be on sale and competitive with each other. You should compare the performance. The thread count is irrelevant. The performance is what counts.
Why is this even an argument? Real world performance and overall value is king.

When AL releases we will compare it to current gen Zen 3 in both MT and ST benchmarks (productivity, games, etc) and when the refreshed Zen 3 with 3D cache comes out we'll compare it to AL (and so on). May the best one win.
 
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StrikerRocket

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It's almost ironic that drm doesn't and has never, stopped piracy, but does and has always, negatively affected paying customers. Almost.

YES! 😀 I totally agree! And it's been so since the advent of home computing. I'm old enough to remember spending countless hours breaking software in the 80's with my buddies for sport on my Apple //e computer, and at that time, even though there was no internet, we had access to a whole bunch of unprotected software. No protection ever has sustained the relentless attacks from pirates. This might change in the future, but for now, it's been a pain more than anything else. At best, it delays the spread of a given software at launch for, what, one week, two weeks, a few months when a new protection scheme appears? That's a lot of investment for a so-so result IMHO...