I was checking out sound cards for the computer Im planning on building and was thinking of just going with a cheap one since my SB Live hasnt been worth crap. I saw a nice Pine 6 channel card for $15. Then I check Hercules. The Herculars Game Surround 5.1 card for $40 is identical to the Pine card right down to the capacitors. They even use the C-media 8738LX chip. The only difference is PCB color. Are these the same cards or same manufacturer??