Spotify starts removing Neil Young's music amid Joe Rogan 'vaccine misinformation' row

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midian182

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A hot potato: In the battle between Neil Young and Joe Rogan, it seems the latter has come out on top. Young earlier this week warned Spotify that if it didn’t drop Rogan’s podcasts, the singer wanted his music removed from the platform—he got his wish.

Young wrote an open letter to his manager Frank Gironda, and Tom Corson, co-chairman and chief operating officer of Warner Records, on Tuesday. Part of the letter, which mentioned Rogan specifically, read: “I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines – potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread by them. Please act on this immediately today and keep me informed of the time schedule.”

“They [Spotify] can have Rogan or Young. Not both,” the now-deleted letter warned.

It took two days for Spotify to choose between the two men. Neil Young might enjoy legend status thanks to a career reaching back to the 1960s, several Grammy awards, and being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice. But the Joe Rogan Experience attracts around 11 million listeners per episode, making it the world’s largest podcast, and the music streaming service paid over $100 million to bring it to Spotify in 2020, where it soon became an exclusive show. All of which likely made its decision to side with Rogan a lot easier.

“We want all the world’s music and audio content to be available to Spotify users. With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators,” a Spotify spokesperson told the Hollywood Reporter, adding that the company has removed over 20,000 Covid-related podcast episodes since the pandemic began.

“We regret Neil’s decision to remove his music from Spotify, but hope to welcome him back soon.”

Young said in a follow up letter that while Spotify represented 60 percent of his streaming revenue globally, amounting to “a huge loss for [his] record company to absorb,” he wanted his music removed because he “could not continue to support Spotify’s life threatening misinformation to the music loving public.”

An episode of the JRE in which Rogan hosted Robert Malone, a virologist involved in developing mRNA vaccine technology who was suspended from Twitter for spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories about Covid-19, resulted in 270 medical professionals writing an open letter to Spotify calling for it to “mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform.”

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Freddie159

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I hope this starts a LARGE exodus of other music rights owners away from Spotify as well!!! There's no reason the over Billion dollar music industry can't come up with it's own music streaming and sharing service that has the 'out of rights' music for free as well so the Artists get paid and we the consumers get great music.
 

Squid Surprise

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Expected. If you put someone in a position to choose between you or someone else, you better be absolutely sure you're gonna be the one picked, or you just look like a clown. Think it through.
Neil Young has millions of dollars of revenue still coming in… and is worth more than the combined members of this site will ever earn… I highly doubt that he “looks the clown”.

He made a stand on principal - it’s his label that will suffer - but note how Spotify HAS removed many of the Covid-related podcasts…

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Young state, after a few weeks or months (the public forgets stuff REALLY fast) that he is satisfied that Spotify has acted to curtail misinformation and will now rejoin Spotify…

By the way, to the ignoramuses out there who think Dr Malone actually invented mRNA vaccines… he didn’t… the only “proof” of this invention is his wife’s website… no one who is taken seriously in the scientific community believes his nonsense, and all of his “information” on Covid has been thoroughly debunked.
 

NightAntilli

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Neil Young has millions of dollars of revenue still coming in… and is worth more than the combined members of this site will ever earn… I highly doubt that he “looks the clown”.

He made a stand on principal - it’s his label that will suffer - but note how Spotify HAS removed many of the Covid-related podcasts…

I wouldn’t be surprise to see Young state, after a few weeks or months (the public forgets stuff REALLY fast) that he is satisfied that Spotify has acted to curtail misinformation and will now rejoin Spotify…

By the way, to the ignoramuses out there who think Dr Malone actually invented mRNA vaccines… he didn’t… the only “proof” of this invention is his wife’s website… no one who is taken seriously in the scientific community believes his nonsense, and all of his “information” on Covid has been thoroughly debunked.
The 270 "medical professionals" where the majority are not actually medical professionals, that is not being fact-checked... That is not considered "misinformation". But the FLCCC Alliance, with over 17 THOUSAND doctors that disagree with how the pandemic is being handled , those are being swept under the rug. Here's a very short clip, a reality check;

https://rumble.com/vt50xb-dr.-richard-urso-we-are-not-one-doctor.-we-are-17000-doctors.html

As for Robert Malone, this is what Wikipedia says:

"His work has focused on mRNA technology, of which he was a pioneer,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

Go read his career on that page. Or god forbid, go listen to him telling everyone about his career on Spotify on Joe Rogan's podcast. Who is actually qualified to actually fact-check this man? Do you think the people at Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, or any other social media outlet out there has ANYONE in service that can actually justifiably fact check him?
What about Dr. Peter McCullough? Who is actually qualified to fact check him?

If you don't see something's wrong, I don't know what to tell you. It is very clear that the narrative is more important than the truth, and anything that does not conform to the narrative, whether true or not, is labeled "misinformation". World renowned experts are being silenced, because it does not agree to what someone like Bill Gates has to say. Yeah. That's right. Let's censor doctors but allow Bill Gates to speak. Makes perfect sense...

Or what about a musician, trying to censor a platform that is allowing doctors to speak...? I am glad that Neil didn't get his way. At this point, we have enough censorship of real information to deal with. Joe Rogan is not biased. He gives everyone a chance to speak, including the ones he disagrees with. And if someone wants to censor that, they simply are not right in the head, and are simply promoting the exact thing they claim doesn't exist; Mass Psychosis.

Just do your homework... You can never have an objective view if you never listened to both sides of the story. We all know what the media is constantly saying. Just dip your toes on the other side. You can start here, which is from those 17k doctors and scientists previously mentioned.
 
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Hexic

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The 270 "medical professionals" where the majority are not actually medical professionals, that is not being fact-checked... That is not considered "misinformation". But the FLCCC Alliance, with over 17 THOUSAND doctors that disagree with how the pandemic is being handled , those are being swept under the rug. Here's a very short clip, a reality check;

https://rumble.com/vt50xb-dr.-richard-urso-we-are-not-one-doctor.-we-are-17000-doctors.html

As for Robert Malone, this is what Wikipedia says:

"His work has focused on mRNA technology, of which he was a pioneer,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

Go read his career on that page. Or god forbid, go listen to him telling everyone about his career on Spotify on Joe Rogan's podcast. Who is actually qualified to actually fact-check this man? Do you think the people at Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, or any other social media outlet out there has ANYONE in service that can actually justifiably fact check him?
What about Dr. Peter McCullough? Who is actually qualified to fact check him?

If you don't see something's wrong, I don't know what to tell you. It is very clear that the narrative is more important than the truth, and anything that does not conform to the narrative, whether true or not, is labeled "misinformation". World renowned experts are being silenced, because it does not agree to what someone like Bill Gates has to say. Yeah. That's right. Let's censor doctors but allow Bill Gates to speak. Makes perfect sense...

Or what about a musician, trying to censor a platform that is allowing doctors to speak...? I am glad that Neil didn't get his way. At this point, we have enough censorship of real information to deal with. Joe Rogan is not biased. He gives everyone a chance to speak, including the ones he disagrees with. And if someone wants to censor that, they simply are not right in the head, and are simply promoting the exact thing they claim doesn't exist; Mass Psychosis.

Just do your homework... You can never have an objective view if you never listened to both sides of the story. We all know what the media is constantly saying. Just dip your toes on the other side. You can start here, which is from those 17k doctors and scientists previously mentioned.

The problem here is context.

The fact that many thousands of doctors disagree with how the pandemic has been handled has nothing to do with the blatantly, factually false information Dr. Malone has released on his social media. This man is very intelligent, very accomplished, and has done great things throughout his career.

One must separate topics of conversation into separate buckets. Where Dr. Malone did screw up, is posting false information to his many hundreds of thousands of followers that will use this doctor's vitae to push said false information to others.

2 examples of posts Dr. Malone shared, stating vaccine-caused harm/death:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-study-error-anti-vaxxers-1.6188806

https://www.wane.com/community/heal...s-used-to-link-athlete-deaths-to-covid-shots/ (this kid actually died in 2013, but used as an example for vaccine caused death)

Whether tin foil is your look or not, this man screwed up and his credentials are solid enough to convince gullible individuals and/or conspiracy theorists that this patently false information is instead true. It causes incredible public harm in the midst of a global pandemic.

If these companies want to enforce "COVID misinformation" policies for this guy, have at it. He was an ***** for being such the intelligent man he is, not fact checking his own content before sharing.

Of course covid has been mishandled, everyone on earth can agree with that. Don't use that to try and defend morons who spread links to articles claiming things that have ALREADY been retracted/debunked.
 

Dimitriid

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I hope this starts a LARGE exodus of other music rights owners away from Spotify as well!!! There's no reason the over Billion dollar music industry can't come up with it's own music streaming and sharing service that has the 'out of rights' music for free as well so the Artists get paid and we the consumers get great music.

I guess that was he was hoping, but I am almost sure that just won't happen: rich liberals love to talk big about misinformation and injustice and all that jazz, but they never do anything that actually could affect their bottom lines: Not just in terms of how much money they make from Spotify (which is probably not much even for the top charters) but in terms of not being able to have their audience find them and start becoming irrelevant.

And it also tells you about why Young did it: why does he care if he's never all that relevant or sought after at this point in his life? But get a well meaning liberal leaning kid like Billie Eillish to do the same and it actually could have a detrimental effect: she wouldn't be broke but she might just have to hold 1 or 2 grammys instead of 5, stay at 10 or 20 million views instead of at least 100 million views, etc.

Last point I want to mention is that even Neil Young if he cared about misinformation and vaccination rates, could have done something that's a lot more significant like start a widespread movement to pressure the federal government to actually revise their strategies like "Yes, let's just reactivate the economy fully. What, a million people get infected in a single day? Hospitals are collapsing? Yeah here's our solution: stop reporting new cases, stop reporting deaths and get the f*#@# back to work, all of you"

Just trying to blame it all on anti vaxxers and misinformation is letting the current administration abdicate their responsibility as basically enacting eugenics policies of "We're ok with vulnerable people just dying, get infected, get back to work, make the imaginary numbers of bankers and corporations go up"
 

terzaerian

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Whichever way this had panned out it's just another reason to avoid relying on cloud services like Spotify to serve and preserve content. Someone's pants-sh*tting hissyfit about sharing a platform with someone they disagree with, a Byzantine copyright battle, or any other asinine reason possible can see someone's entire body of work pulled out of "your" library with no recourse for the end user.
 

NightAntilli

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The problem here is context.

The fact that many thousands of doctors disagree with how the pandemic has been handled has nothing to do with the blatantly, factually false information Dr. Malone has released on his social media. This man is very intelligent, very accomplished, and has done great things throughout his career.

One must separate topics of conversation into separate buckets. Where Dr. Malone did screw up, is posting false information to his many hundreds of thousands of followers that will use this doctor's vitae to push said false information to others.

2 examples of posts Dr. Malone shared, stating vaccine-caused harm/death:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-study-error-anti-vaxxers-1.6188806

https://www.wane.com/community/heal...s-used-to-link-athlete-deaths-to-covid-shots/ (this kid actually died in 2013, but used as an example for vaccine caused death)

Whether tin foil is your look or not, this man screwed up and his credentials are solid enough to convince gullible individuals and/or conspiracy theorists that this patently false information is instead true. It causes incredible public harm in the midst of a global pandemic.

If these companies want to enforce "COVID misinformation" policies for this guy, have at it. He was an ***** for being such the intelligent man he is, not fact checking his own content before sharing.

Of course covid has been mishandled, everyone on earth can agree with that. Don't use that to try and defend morons who spread links to articles claiming things that have ALREADY been retracted/debunked.
He is still human, and mistakes can always be made. Must someone be cancelled because of less than a handful of articles? What about all the rest?

And I repeat again. Where is the cancellation of the blatant LIE of those 270 "Medical Professionals"?
Where is the cancellation or fact-checking regarding Ivermectin not working? (Check www.ivmmeta.com)
What about all the CORRECT articles that Dr. Malone did post?

And there is clear data indicating a big problem with these vaccines. Check this out for yourself, and do some logical thinking:

Look what recently came out, and before you dismiss it, check the sources at the bottom...;

How does that square with the "study error" you previously linked...? Doesn't seem that relevant, now does it?

The main problem is that only one side is allowed to speak. And any minor mistake by one side is made out to be an elephant, and huge mistakes by the ones on the side of the narrative are swept under the rug.
We even have the media telling us that something like myocarditis is "mild and rare". There is no bigger misinformation than that. Even "mild" myocarditis can easily kill you.
There is a clear double standard here. Politics has overtaken medicine, and that is extremely dangerous.
 

wiyosaya

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The problem here is context.

The fact that many thousands of doctors disagree with how the pandemic has been handled has nothing to do with the blatantly, factually false information Dr. Malone has released on his social media. This man is very intelligent, very accomplished, and has done great things throughout his career.

One must separate topics of conversation into separate buckets. Where Dr. Malone did screw up, is posting false information to his many hundreds of thousands of followers that will use this doctor's vitae to push said false information to others.

2 examples of posts Dr. Malone shared, stating vaccine-caused harm/death:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-study-error-anti-vaxxers-1.6188806

https://www.wane.com/community/heal...s-used-to-link-athlete-deaths-to-covid-shots/ (this kid actually died in 2013, but used as an example for vaccine caused death)

Whether tin foil is your look or not, this man screwed up and his credentials are solid enough to convince gullible individuals and/or conspiracy theorists that this patently false information is instead true. It causes incredible public harm in the midst of a global pandemic.

If these companies want to enforce "COVID misinformation" policies for this guy, have at it. He was an ***** for being such the intelligent man he is, not fact checking his own content before sharing.

Of course covid has been mishandled, everyone on earth can agree with that. Don't use that to try and defend morons who spread links to articles claiming things that have ALREADY been retracted/debunked.
IMO, a great example of critical thinking and not taking every so-called expert at face value. This is a skill many think they have, but simply do not have. In other words, another sign of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. Also, many people just want to see what they think they already know.

To me, it sounds like it is highly likely he either did one of two things, either he did not fact check his own material, or he did and ignored the results it because he wanted 15 more minutes of fame as his own credentials and accomplishments were not sufficient enough for him.

As far as Young's material being removed at least Spotify complied with his wishes.
 

NightAntilli

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IMO, a great example of critical thinking and not taking every so-called expert at face value. This is a skill many think they have, but simply do not have. In other words, another sign of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. Also, many people just want to see what they think they already know.
Sounds a lot like the ones trying to cancel free speech, like, what Neil Young tried to do to the Joe Rogan's podcast...

To me, it sounds like it is highly likely he either did one of two things, either he did not fact check his own material, or he did and ignored the results it because he wanted 15 more minutes of fame as his own credentials and accomplishments were not sufficient enough for him.
Did you know that he was actually doubled vaccinated and got significant adverse side-effects after the second dose? Oh. The media didn't tell you that part. They're telling you that he's anti-vaxx, just like you will be if you refuse the 5th booster that still doesn't work for ending the pandemic.
The media didn't tell you that he's actually trying to warn people that the vaccines are not risk-free. The media didn't tell you that he actually dislikes all the attention, but that he thinks it's the right thing to do. The media didn't tell you that he's likely the only doctor regarding mRNA research that has no conflict of interest talking about this stuff.

You know who told this? The man himself, at the Joe Rogan podcast. You're free to have any body language expert analyze him to confirm he's telling the truth.
Ask yourself. Who actually enjoys being demonized across the whole world? What incentive does such a person actually have to keep speaking? It isn't money because there's no conflict of interest.

Guess who's side the FLCCC Alliance, of 17k doctors, is on. That's right. Mr. Malone's. Leaving this here;

Here we are... You're talking about the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, and ironically immediately showing what it is.

As far as Young's material being removed at least Spotify complied with his wishes.
His actual wish was clearly the opposite of what actually happened.
 

wiyosaya

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He is still human, and mistakes can always be made. Must someone be cancelled because of less than a handful of articles? What about all the rest?
Anyone posting specious information in the scientific community deserves to be called out. It would not surprise me in the least if using medical credentials to promote false information is a violation of medical ethics. After all, people sometimes act on false information and are harmed by it. Take those who injected bleach after Trumpy said to try it. https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/wo...on-major-rise-trump-covid-19-treatment-616708 maybe you agree with this particular instance, but this is what happens when those in authority who should not be speaking about something they are not qualified to speak on do speak, and those who are unable to discern that the information is pure :poop: act on it.
And I repeat again. Where is the cancellation of the blatant LIE of those 270 "Medical Professionals"?
Where is the cancellation or fact-checking regarding Ivermectin not working? (Check www.ivmmeta.com)
What about all the CORRECT articles that Dr. Malone did post?
Claiming whataboutism is not the way to handle this, IMO. There is so much misinformation out there that someone or some entity could make "fact checking" it a full-time job - and both sides of the aisle make this a thankless, unpaid, task. The trouble is, as I see it, everyone's an expert especially those who want to claim its become political no matter their political affliations.
And there is clear data indicating a big problem with these vaccines. Check this out for yourself, and do some logical thinking:
Its well known that VARS is not scientific. Anyone, absolutely anyone can report to the VARS system an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Hell, I did the last time that I got the flu shot about four-years ago and developed severe shaking chills later that day. Because people report things to VARS does not mean that those claims have been scientifically validated. Period. End of story. Correlation does not imply causation.
Look what recently came out, and before you dismiss it, check the sources at the bottom...;

How does that square with the "study error" you previously linked...? Doesn't seem that relevant, now does it?

The main problem is that only one side is allowed to speak. And any minor mistake by one side is made out to be an elephant, and huge mistakes by the ones on the side of the narrative are swept under the rug.
Both sides speak, though, don't they, and both sides are hammered for speaking, aren't they?
We even have the media telling us that something like myocarditis is "mild and rare". There is no bigger misinformation than that. Even "mild" myocarditis can easily kill you.
There is a clear double standard here. Politics has overtaken medicine, and that is extremely dangerous.
All vaccines have risks to some degree. Look up the Flu-vaccine on VARS and note that one of the possible "side effects" is death.

Besides, if anyone takes anything the media says at face value, that's on them. Unfortunately, these days, IMO, everything needs to be verified. Unfortunately, that also means that some crap is going to get through because some of those trying to verify information are unwilling to dig enough, or incapable of discerning truth because they misinterpret something of what they uncover.
 

NightAntilli

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Anyone posting specious information in the scientific community deserves to be called out.
There's a difference between being called out and an all out smear campaign.

To all the incumbent antivaxxers of Techspot: the next time you need medical attention, please, by all means, feel free to go to church or talk about it in an FB group of your liking, instead of calling your hospital. Thanks.
Next time you need medical attention, feel free to call your local politician instead of calling your hospital. Or better yet, your local TV station.
 

bviktor

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There's a difference between being called out and an all out smear campaign.


Next time you need medical attention, feel free to call your local politician instead of calling your hospital.
Why would I do that? I don't care what politicians say, I do care what virologists and vaccinologists say.

Somehow a certain part of the population decided that THIS is the one thing out of the million other things in medicine where you MUST NOT trust your doctors. Because Jane Doe on FB said it's all a lie and 5G and Bill Gates and stuff.

 

wiyosaya

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Sounds a lot like the ones trying to cancel free speech, like, what Neil Young tried to do to the Joe Rogan's podcast...
:poop: happens. Maybe Young's objections to Rogan stem from something else. Like you said, No one is perfect.
Did you know that he was actually doubled vaccinated and got significant adverse side-effects after the second dose? Oh. The media didn't tell you that part. They're telling you that he's anti-vaxx, just like you will be if you refuse the 5th booster that still doesn't work for ending the pandemic.
And he has scientific evidence of that rather than subjective experience?? Like I said, scientifically, correlation does not equal causation. IMO, the bigger question is why on Earth did he get double vaccinated when that is not recommended? For me, that's a WTF moment. And because, if there is any scientific validity to his claim, he had such a reaction does not in any way, imply or mean that those same effects will happen to everyone. Thinking that they will happen is logical fallacy.

Hell, I've been vaccinated and boostered. I know a few people who had significant reactions to the booster, yet I had nothing greater than a sore arm that was not as severe as the sore arm that I got from the first two shots. Everyone's reaction can, and likely will, be different.
The media didn't tell you that he's actually trying to warn people that the vaccines are not risk-free. The media didn't tell you that he actually dislikes all the attention, but that he thinks it's the right thing to do. The media didn't tell you that he's likely the only doctor regarding mRNA research that has no conflict of interest talking about this stuff.
Since you are not a media exec, you have no clue as to why the media does anything. IMO, I think the media only does :poop: to get clicks or advertising revenue.
You know who told this? The man himself, at the Joe Rogan podcast. You're free to have any body language expert analyze him to confirm he's telling the truth.
Doing so would only imply that he is telling what he believes to be the truth. Truth and what is believed to be truth are two entirely different things.
Ask yourself. Who actually enjoys being demonized across the whole world? What incentive does such a person actually have to keep speaking? It isn't money because there's no conflict of interest.
Bullcrap. Rogan has his followers and his followers will keep following him because they believe every golden drop he utters.
Guess who's side the FLCCC Alliance, of 17k doctors, is on. That's right. Mr. Malone's. Leaving this here;
And something from a social media site is to be believed like its a peer-reviewed scientific journal?? 🤣
Here we are... You're talking about the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, and ironically immediately showing what it is.
Its plain our discussion is going nowhere. You are certainly free to believe anything you want.
His actual wish was clearly the opposite of what actually happened.
That often happens, these days, doesn't it?
 

NightAntilli

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Rather than continuing this pointless discussion, I leave you all with this final video. The first minute alone, says volumes, based on how doctors are treated.
After that, Dr. Christina Parks, a Ph.D in Cellular and Molecular Biology from the University of Michigan, explains a few things that everyone should know.


Take care all.
 

quadibloc

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The way I understand what happened is this: Spotify believed that removing any posts by Joe Rogan containing COVID-19 misinformation, but not banning him from the platform, struck the right balance between public safety and freedom of speech.
This is unlike what Twitter did with Donald Trump, but they may have felt that COVID-19 misinformation was less serious than incitements to criminal acts of violence.
Thus, they percieved their choice as a refusal to allow one music artist to dictate their policies with respect to freedom of speech, rather than a preference for Joe Rogan as such.
I don't support what Spotify did, but I do understand this reasoning.
 
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