Star Citizen's total crowdfunding has surpassed $400 million

JoeBlobers

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Seems we have a lot of Lawyers in the audience. Please answer me this. If this is a scam why aren't they being charged and prosecuted yet? I would love to hear your brilliant responses.
In every SC article, you have the same tan guys and alts throwing the same non sense using words with no meaning like scam and ponzi.

30.000 players playing daily on average, New investors Calders in 2019 investing 65M$ in 2019 after a thorough investigation about the project, 700 devs working hard to deliver quarterly patch... while Publishers do deliver unfinished copy/paste crap every 2 years for more $ than SC starter package.

That and several free weeks per year so everyone can test/play the latest build.
Worst scam ever... But haters hate and nothing will stop them, even a release. At this point, hating is a full day job :)
 

JoeBlobers

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By Canada laws and I am sure EU laws, it is still misleading. CIg does not get to invent terminology the law does.Cig invented their own terminology that the legal system already has terms for. This is still misleading.

CIG should also have on their store page we have different terms or vocabulary than the illegal system if they wanted to go down that route.

let me quote the Canada law for you because you don't seem to register what the law says.


The misleading advertising and labelling provisions enforced by the Competition Bureau prohibit making any deceptive representations for the purpose of promoting a product or a business interest, and encourage the provision of sufficient information to allow consumers to make informed choices.
https://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/02776.htm


CIg should be clear on their sales page is the pledge I am making or a donation period. IIf CIg has their own terminology then they should have all youtube content creators and in big black letters, we have different terminology than the law. The law already has terminology for what is a purchase, pledge, or donation.

If anyone tries to tell me the 890 jump is some kind of transport ship. This is legally now a bait and switch purchase to me. Because CIG marketing and 28th chairman letter pledge promise clearly stated the 890 jump would be an exploration ship, not a passenger transport ship.

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source for the chair letter at 28 million on CIg's website that is still up.

Letter from the Chairman: $28 Million!

I would like to quote Canadain law about bait and switch marketing

quote"
[HEADING=2]Bait and Switch Selling[/HEADING]

[HEADING=3]PDF version[/HEADING]
Bait and Switch Selling
PDF; 474 KB; 1 Page


A store attracts customers by an advertisement for a bargain‑priced product. Once inside, the customer discovers that the product that was advertised, the “bait”, is sold out or otherwise unavailable.


The “switch” occurs when a salesperson pressures the customer into purchasing a higher‑priced product as a replacement, or if customers find themselves induced to make other purchases while inside the store.


[HEADING=2]Bait and switch selling affects you as a consumer[/HEADING]

In both cases above, the retailer successfully lures customers into its store with an advertised bargain that turns out to be unavailable in reasonable quantities.


[HEADING=2]Bait and switch selling affects you as a competitor[/HEADING]

Bait and switch selling is anti‑competitive. By advertising products at bargain prices that are not available in reasonable quantities, retailers can unfairly lure consumers into their stores, thereby taking business away from honest retailers. This practice may cause businesses to lose their loyal customer base, and new customers may not consider entering their stores.


It is not bait and switch selling if the advertiser can establish that the non‑availability of the product was due to circumstances beyond its control, the quantity of the product obtained was reasonable, or the customer was offered a rain check when supplies were exhausted.


Retailers who contravene the law may be ordered by a court to stop the conduct, to publish a corrective notice and/or to pay an administrative monetary penalty.



The Competition Bureau, as an independent law enforcement agency, ensures that Canadian businesses and consumers prosper in a competitive and innovative marketplace.
Headed by the Commissioner of Competition, the Bureau is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Competition Act, the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, the Textile Labelling Act and the Precious Metals Marking Act.
[HEADING=2]Legal actions[/HEADING]

We have the ability to refer criminal matters to the Director of Public Prosecutions, who then decides whether to prosecute before the courts. We also have the power to bring civil matters before the Competition Tribunal or the courts, depending on the conduct in question and applicable legal provisions.

[HEADING=2]Written opinions[/HEADING]

The Commissioner has the discretion to provide a binding written opinion to businesses seeking to comply with the Competition Act. Any person may request written opinions on whether proposed business plans and practices could raise concerns under the Act.

[HEADING=2]Questions or complaints[/HEADING]

If you believe any of the laws under the Bureau’s jurisdiction have been breached, please fill out our online form, call, fax or write.
We are required by law to conduct our investigations in private. We keep the identity of the source and the information provided confidential, subject to certain exceptions."


more adverting I want to show that the 890 jump currently does not live up to

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but this how people talk about the 890 jump


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[HEADING=2]How does a Jump stack up against the odyssey?[/HEADING]
You are the culprit not CIG. Every backers do read the TOS. It does include a refund policy as well as multiple disclaimer on pledges page so everybody reading it (not you obviously) understand they do pledge for a game in development hence, NOTYHING is final.
You are well none around web sites throwing's your hanger about CIG BECAUSE you are unable to read basics.

1.000.000 individual backers so far, +200.000 just in 2020.... Fortunately crowdfunded project don't rely on a population unable to read and understand basics.
 

blackdreamhunk

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You are the culprit not CIG. Every backers do read the TOS. It does include a refund policy as well as multiple disclaimer on pledges page so everybody reading it (not you obviously) understand they do pledge for a game in development hence, NOTYHING is final.
You are well none around web sites throwing's your hanger about CIG BECAUSE you are unable to read basics.

1.000.000 individual backers so far, +200.000 just in 2020.... Fortunately crowdfunded project don't rely on a population unable to read and understand basics.
Like I said I have been scammed out of my money and misled on sq42, star citizen, 890 jump, and constellation phoenix. I doubt Chris Roberts will deliver what was promised for star citizen. I doubt anyone can prove me wrong!!! I might be dead in the next 2 to 3 years. At least another 10 years for the star citizen MMORPG if it ever comes out. Just like people have problems telling me if star citizen digital ships is a pledge, purchase, or donation legally. As a paying consumer, it is my right to know.

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oh, the internet was not created for everyone that is another lie. Just like there is no such thing as freedom of speech. No such thing as debates and discussions on the internet. On the spectrum, I am sure a lot of people had a meltdown when I dare to ask the questions of what happens if star citizen fails.

I am sure a lot of people who read my comments here or any other media never put money into star citizen and don't own the 890 jump. experience the things I have experience period. I don't want to wait any longer for empty promises,

I don't own any star citizen games neither sq42 nor the MMORPG after 10 years. I am also told the 890 jump isn't a pledge but a donation. After I won the discussion the 890 jump is advertised as an exploration ship. Now people are telling me I don't own the 890 jump because of TOS. My pledge for the 890 jump was really a donation now. that was forced on me!!!!!! A TOS that was changed around 2013 My only conclusion is I was scammed out of my money.

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I was told I have to be forced to stay with star citizen after being scammed!!! I am constantly told my check is in the mail by other people but never happens when complaining about a refund and want to leave cig star citizen game over my experiences and digital ships.

I am harassed for my views and cyberstalked is that a part of TOS as well?
 
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blackdreamhunk

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The legal system is really about" just us" and not "Justice" star citizen TOS scamming me out of my money is proof of that. I hope people not going to tell me I wasn't scammed now!

just like there is no such thing as debates or freedom of speech on the internet. Just like the internet wasn't created for everyone. ;) have a nice day.

I hope there really is a god somewhere because I don't fit in.
 
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JoeBlobers

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When the person you gave your money to has broken every promise they've made and keeps asking for more money.
No promise have been broken quite the opposite. Backers got more for the same 45/35$ pledge while Publishers keep releasing copy/paste crap for 60$ or even more for 'ultimate' version... understand pay for what was removed on purposes.
 

JoeBlobers

Posts: 87   +62
The legal system is really about" just us" and not "Justice" star citizen TOS scamming me out of my money is proof of that. I hope people not going to tell me I wasn't scammed now!

just like there is no such thing as debates or freedom of speech on the internet. Just like the internet wasn't created for everyone. ;) have a nice day.

I hope there really is a god somewhere because I don't fit in.
There is no justice without understanding rules. CIG did not broke any rules. US courts did rejected haters request with force. Apparently, justice is not about throwing lies on internet either: more new bacekrs in 2020 and 2021, just because the vast majority of players don't care about haters agenda lol
 

blackdreamhunk

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There is no justice without understanding rules. CIG did not broke any rules. US courts did rejected haters request with force. Apparently, justice is not about throwing lies on internet either: more new bacekrs in 2020 and 2021, just because the vast majority of players don't care about haters agenda lol

I have read on the star citizen refund reddit fourms you may be Chris Roberts, right? So your Chris Roberts

OK I gave MMORPG reasons why I want to leave star citizen

1). Your adverting for the 890 jump and the Constellation Phoenix. The 890 jump is the last straw for me. I bought into the 890 jump exploration period. Today I am told the 890 jump isn't an exploration ship.I have years of complaining thanks.

2) harassment and cyberstalking from the same people I have a history of complaining about that to cig. I am not free to site laws and explain my consumer right over digital ships that I currently own and now I am told after winning the debate and discussion on digital products that paid for with real world money.

3) in a private message CIg mods made it clear indirectly to me that Jesus was white. The ancient Hebrews were white people and black lives don't matter. Jesus and ancient Hebrews must be white because white people said so. It is racism not going to sugarcoat it thank you. Clearly your skin color matters to your mods and what you believe in matters to your mods. My people's slave trade history does not matter, So clearly I don't fit in with your star citizen community. Then there is the whole topic of star wars Finn should I go on?

4) I am not allowed to really express my feelings or thoughts about star citizen after sinking 7k into this project or alpha that has gone on for 10 years. MY thoughts on star citizen aren't welcomed by some people. I was voted down on Reddit and personally attacked for stating the 890 jump is an exploration ship. A debate and discussion I won on the star citizen spectrum.

5) If Chr Roberts can't deliver what was promised for the 890 jump or the constellation phoenix. What makes you think he or Cig can deliver star citizen MMO or even the sq42 for that matter. I fully expect star citizens to follow the foot's steps of Elyria. It is the reason I wanted to discuss what happens if star citizen fails but you are not allowed to talk about that on the spectrum right?

just google "kickstarter games that have scam people"


after years of abuse, I want to leave thank you. I am ready to move on thanks
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JoeBlobers

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I have read on the star citizen refund reddit fourms you may be Chris Roberts, right? So your Chris Roberts

OK I gave MMORPG reasons why I want to leave star citizen

1). Your adverting for the 890 jump and the Constellation Phoenix. The 890 jump is the last straw for me. I bought into the 890 jump exploration period. Today I am told the 890 jump isn't an exploration ship.I have years of complaining thanks.

2) harassment and cyberstalking from the same people I have a history of complaining about that to cig. I am not free to site laws and explain my consumer right over digital ships that I currently own and now I am told after winning the debate and discussion on digital products that paid for with real world money.

3) in a private message CIg mods made it clear indirectly to me that Jesus was white. The ancient Hebrews were white people and black lives don't matter. Jesus and ancient Hebrews must be white because white people said so. It is racism not going to sugarcoat it thank you. Clearly your skin color matters to your mods and what you believe in matters to your mods. My people's slave trade history does not matter, So clearly I don't fit in with your star citizen community. Then there is the whole topic of star wars Finn should I go on?

4) I am not allowed to really express my feelings or thoughts about star citizen after sinking 7k into this project or alpha that has gone on for 10 years. MY thoughts on star citizen aren't welcomed by some people. I was voted down on Reddit and personally attacked for stating the 890 jump is an exploration ship. A debate and discussion I won on the star citizen spectrum.

5) If Chr Roberts can't deliver what was promised for the 890 jump or the constellation phoenix. What makes you think he or Cig can deliver star citizen MMO or even the sq42 for that matter. I fully expect star citizens to follow the foot's steps of Elyria. It is the reason I wanted to discuss what happens if star citizen fails but you are not allowed to talk about that on the spectrum right?

just google "kickstarter games that have scam people"


after years of abuse, I want to leave thank you. I am ready to move on thanks
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... You are in full delirium man. Now I am CR LOL

Your problem if you read Capital ship when pledging for a Super-Yacht!

PS: and all your new ranting posts after this answer have been removed by Techspot mods... That should tell you something about harrassing comment section with your no sense ranting. Grow up and learn what TOS and alpha do mean in real world.
 
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