Study blames YouTube for spread of Flat Earth movement

Lew Zealand

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The point of using the scientific method to study something is to make a prediction based on your tests or observations. So you can better understand how the world works around you and have a reasonable way to predict the outcome of something (a chemical reaction, the movement of plate tectonics, etc).

Religion does none of this and cannot be assessed by the scientific method because the basic principle of scientific predictions is that everything has a natural explanation. Religion uses magical thinking to explain many things, which science specifically excludes as an option.
 
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An example of something not specifically scientific but scientific sounding is String Theory. While it makes predictions, they cannot be tested (yet). Perhaps in the future this will change but for now it’s all just hand waving.
 

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Do not try to forcibly vaccinate ANYONE.
Well when it is law your kids have to attend school. And then the school says you have to be vaccinated before you can attend. It is kind of hard to suggest we are not forcibly vaccinated.
That's a good point. I suppose in some instances it's an option to keep your kids out of school and home-school them, but for many that's out of the question.

I don't know what's required and what isn't. I do know that back in the day children only got two vaccines, polio and DPT. Today, no exaggeration, there are 82. I hope that none are required except for those that prevent diseases that are actually deadly but I imagine that's not the case.
 

captaincranky

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But can't you just photoshop those pesky plants out? :laughing:
I suppose you could do both. Removing the bulk of the plant material manually, is (IMO) superior to the error prone and the somewhat tedious on a large scale "clone stamp" process.

Besides, if you just yank most of the weeds, you'll save a ton of eyestrain behind the monitor. Eyestrain which I might add, could possibly be more severe than that suffered by teenage boys from pleasuring themselves.. :rolleyes:
 

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That's a good point. I suppose in some instances it's an option to keep your kids out of school and home-school them, but for many that's out of the question.

I don't know what's required and what isn't. I do know that back in the day children only got two vaccines, polio and DPT. Today, no exaggeration, there are 82. I hope that none are required except for those that prevent diseases that are actually deadly but I imagine that's not the case.
Why would you imagine that’s not the case? Remember that many of those 82 are boosters, it’s for far less than 82 diseases.
 

captaincranky

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...[ ]....I don't know what's required and what isn't. I do know that back in the day children only got two vaccines, polio and DPT. Today, no exaggeration, there are 82. I hope that none are required except for those that prevent diseases that are actually deadly but I imagine that's not the case.
Hey, I'm from an era when measles, mumps, and chicken pox, were merely "rights of passage", which you were expected to get and easily survive, in order to build permanent immunity..
 

captaincranky

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All of those diseases have an associated death rate which is far from zero.
I got the mumps at 21, in the middle of a 4th of July heatwave. They said having the mumps when you were older could make you sterile.. None of that happened.

You know, some people have to die, to make room for new ones. Why is the human race so obsessed with immortality, that we can't reconcile that? Could it be our overwhelming preoccupation with self importance which drives it?

Why I'm so old, I remember when women didn't know the sex of their child until it was born.

The biggest health care joke / outrage to me, was when I was standing in line at a bank, watching women pass around their pregnancy ultrasound images, as if they were baby pictures. No doubt those ultra sounds were "prescribed", the prescribing doctor got a kickback from the procedure, and every one in their health care insurance group's premiums took the hit for it

Don't mind me though, I watched "The Avengers; Infinity Wars", and pretty much think Thanos was on the right track.

The biggest joke / ripoff in modern health care, is a drug called "Rexulti" It came about when another drug "Abilify", went generic. Naturally, "Rexulti" is much more effective than "Abilify" ever was.. Both of those drugs are supposed to be taken on top of a patient's already existing anti-depressant.

There comes a point when you need one anti-depressant on top of another to "function in a good mood", that someone needs to sit you down and explain, "life sucks, but you still have to live it", preferably without pissing your life savings to big pharma.
 
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captaincranky

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Only one problem with that. There was no schedule for repeated cleanings.
With homosexuality being so "en vogue" these days, (or least in "1st world countries"), if we could only stop the Chinese from breeding babies to sell to gay couples, the chances are the herd would start to thin out on its own. :rolleyes:
 
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captaincranky

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That's not true. I just looked up chicken pox. 1 in 60,000 death rate in the 90s. A percentage of those were adults.
And I just did the math on that.

It turns out that the death rate is 1.67 to the minus 5th%. Why, that's not very far from zero at all, now is is?
 

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That's not true. I just looked up chicken pox. 1 in 60,000 death rate in the 90s. A percentage of those were adults.
9,000 deaths a year is far from zero. And don’t forget that it is a very unpleasant disease while you have it and it then leaves you open to getting shingles later in life. I’ve had shingles. It is not fun.
 

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That's not true. I just looked up chicken pox. 1 in 60,000 death rate in the 90s. A percentage of those were adults.
9,000 deaths a year is far from zero. And don’t forget that it is a very unpleasant disease while you have it and it then leaves you open to getting shingles later in life. I’ve had shingles. It is not fun.
I've had shingles also. But I've also had a generally strong immune system that may have protected me from other serious diseases, and one reason for that may be that I did have all the childhood diseases. I've read about evidence that having endured those diseases in childhood leads to a stronger immune system later on.

What I'm advocating for here is that respect be given to those who voice concerns about vaccines, which includes some competent doctors.
 

captaincranky

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9,000 deaths a year is far from zero.
Would you like me to run the math on that against the world's population of 7,000.000,000 so you'll know exactly how insignificant that number is?

And don’t forget that it is a very unpleasant disease while you have it and it then leaves you open to getting shingles later in life. I’ve had shingles. It is not fun.
There is a shingles vaccine. You should have practiced what you preach, maybe? Besides, even without health insurance it's only about $250.00 USD
 

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Would you like me to run the math on that against the world's population of 7,000.000,000 so you'll know exactly how insignificant that number is?

There is a shingles vaccine. You should have practiced what you preach, maybe? Besides, even without health insurance it's only about $250.00 USD
The shingles vaccine is recommended for people over 50. Which is not me. But thanks for assuming and being judgmental.
 

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I've had shingles also. But I've also had a generally strong immune system that may have protected me from other serious diseases, and one reason for that may be that I did have all the childhood diseases. I've read about evidence that having endured those diseases in childhood leads to a stronger immune system later on.

What I'm advocating for here is that respect be given to those who voice concerns about vaccines, which includes some competent doctors.
What you got from having the disease is the reason the vaccines exist, they are trying to give someones immune system the same capability as yours, but without the risk of death during the disease.
 

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I've had shingles also. But I've also had a generally strong immune system that may have protected me from other serious diseases, and one reason for that may be that I did have all the childhood diseases. I've read about evidence that having endured those diseases in childhood leads to a stronger immune system later on.

What I'm advocating for here is that respect be given to those who voice concerns about vaccines, which includes some competent doctors.
That is an anecdote as well as opinion. Neither qualify as scientific data.

Competent doctors also generate anecdotes and opinions, not scientific data. You need to set up specific tests with many controls in order to generate useful data and that’s not a doctor’s job. That’s the epidemiologist’s job, to do those observational tests on a lot of people to get the data to draw conclusions. Which in this case is to vaccinate.
 

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Can't believe people are believing in such things, especially in this day and age.

I think YouTube should at least tag them or highlight with a banner saying it's merely a theory and it's authenticity can be disputed.
 

captaincranky

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The shingles vaccine is recommended for people over 50. Which is not me. But thanks for assuming and being judgmental.
You're experience would seem to indicate the recommendations aren't stringent enough, and by extension that chicken pox vaccination should be mandatory. No?
 

toooooot

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What if we actually live in 2d world and it is just our false perception telling us this world has 4 dimensions?
Then flat earth makes perfect sense.
I am not even asking you to believe conspiracy theories, just be open minded.
 

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What I'm advocating for here is that respect be given to those who voice concerns about vaccines, which includes some competent doctors.
I speak from experience in that every time I have had the flu vaccine as an adult, I have had an adverse reaction to it. The last time, about three-years ago, I ended up with severe shaking chills. Fortunately, I knew what to do - keep warm - to stave off an unnecessary trip to a hospital.

When I told my various doctors that I get the flu from the flu shot, they all scoff and tell me, blah, blah, blah, the vaccine is dead, you cannot get the flu from the flu shot.

The thing is that IF any of them had bothered to go to the CDC web site and discovered that symptoms of an adverse reaction to the flu shot are the exact same symptoms as of the flu, they might have learned something.

And I might add, that according to the CDC's information on the flu vaccine, one of the side effects of the vaccine just happens to be DEATH. Anyone who wishes can look this up for yourself at the CDC's web site.

Even with the severity of the reaction that I had the last time I got the flu shot, I still get pestered every single year when I go to my doctor to get the flu shot. Rather than reading my record first and seeing that it specifically states that I am allergic to the flu shot, I feel like I am being pestered to get the flu shot because the practice has paid up-front for a specific number of doses and they have to sell them to make a profit.

And to top that off, I know of several people who report their own adverse reactions to the flu shot.

Finally, the flu shot is a crap-shoot anyway. Each year it is a guess as to which strain of the flu to include in the vaccine. The experts have gotten it wrong more than once in the past few years.

9,000 deaths a year is far from zero. And don’t forget that it is a very unpleasant disease while you have it and it then leaves you open to getting shingles later in life. I’ve had shingles. It is not fun.
I have had all these childhood diseases, too. Let's face it, there's a risk of death to any number of things in modern society. In 2017, motor vehicle deaths in the US alone topped 40,000 to name just one modern "disease" that has a higher death rate.

For me, if I have any say in the matter, I will never get the flu shot again. Even though I don't get the flu shot - I don't get the flu.
 
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What if we actually live in 2d world and it is just our false perception telling us this world has 4 dimensions?
Then flat earth makes perfect sense.
I am not even asking you to believe conspiracy theories, just be open minded.
This sounds realistic somehow.
 

wiyosaya

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The point of using the scientific method to study something is to make a prediction based on your tests or observations. So you can better understand how the world works around you and have a reasonable way to predict the outcome of something (a chemical reaction, the movement of plate tectonics, etc).

Religion does none of this and cannot be assessed by the scientific method because the basic principle of scientific predictions is that everything has a natural explanation. Religion uses magical thinking to explain many things, which science specifically excludes as an option.
As I see it, there is more evidence out there for the scientific version of how the Earth was created than there is in creation myths from any religion. In the latter, acceptance of the myth requires acceptance of "word."
Yet you can't conceive the notion they are both one in the same.
IMO, they are not.

There are observations of protoplanetary disks that tend to validate the scientific version. To say something like "the Earth was created in seven days" is to go against observations on several levels that include radiometric dating of elements with half-lives on the order of the scientifically accepted age of the solar system (think uranium-lead and others) and observations of stellar nurseries/protoplanetary disks that indicate that the Earth was formed over a much longer time frame.

There are some creation myths on earth that get, IMO, much closer to the truth, but this whole seven days thing represents something that was, at the time, not provable and now, is considered disproven through well considered knowledge and understanding.

Where they both might be similar is in the aspect of a desire to understand the origin of the Earth.
 
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