The baby from Nirvana's 1991 Nevermind album is suing the band over alleged child pornography

Kirby1

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This site has a very hateful and right wing user base it seems judging by the comments. Wish the mods here did their job.
 

Sausagemeat

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I wouldn’t want a naked picture of me as a baby on an iconic album cover unless they paid me off. Nirvana went mega after Cobain pulled the trigger, I think this chap is entitled to some of that money considering literally millions of people have seen his wang at this point.
 

cliffordcooley

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He is just pissed because there is evidence of his gender. He was never able to claim gender neutrality. He certainly looks like the ABCLGBTQXYZ type to me. Yeah I know that make me stereotypical. But who else would make these ridiculous claims. Claims that if had any weight would have been filed back when the photo was used. It is history now. We can't sue our ancestors for events recorded in history books, that we now consider crimes. Tragically we are persecuting descendants. Persecution is likely all that will happen. I doubt prosecution will get anywhere.

I wonder how the statute of limitation effects this type of claim.

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Besides at a young age our parents are responsible for us. If anything it is his parents he needs to bring up on charges. Win that case and then go after Nirvana.
 
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supra5mge

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There's another way to know. The fact that "NEVERMIND" is tattooed across his chest. That tells me that he's not only not damaged by it, but that it's a source of pride and identity for him. If it were so humiliating to him, he wouldn't be constantly calling attention to it with a permanent beacon like that.
I forgot about the tattoo!! Yeah. No legal leg IMO, as it were. Thanks for the reply
 

alchemist83

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I really don't know what to make of this. Maybe Nirvana should give him some money because his image helped to make them richer than Midas and it's certainly worth more than $200 but child pornography? My arse!

How is it that he's so bothered by the fact that so many people saw his dong when he was a baby? I doubt that even Winston Churchill, the man who STILL looked like a baby when he was old, could be identified from photos of his infancy. If this was so "mentally damaging" to him, he wouldn't have had "NEVERMIND" tattooed across his chest. It's clear that he's dumb as a box of rocks and some blood-sucking lawyer talked him into this.

Yep, it's just a shame that they do the worst things best.

This isn't really stupidity, it's a load of BS because I don't believe for one minute that ANY of it is genuine. Stupidity is based on people ACTUALLY believing in something that's completely false and refusing to see the truth:
- Flat Earthers
- Anti-Vaxxers
- Anti-Maskers
- People who believe that COVID is a hoax
- People who were 100% sure that Barack Obama was a Muslim Arab who was born in Kenya when he first ran for president. (Even stupider are the ones who STILL believe that.)
^^^ Now THOSE are stupidity at it's best/worst. ^^^

Yep, or an opportunist trying to exploit someone who isn't that bright.

There's no argument, it IS art and it DOES make that commentary about Western Society.

It's also what's going to tear America down.

Yep, and even more ironic (to the point of being hypocritical) is that it also perfectly described what Nirvana was doing at the time. They were making music in hopes of getting rich, famous and laid. Those are the reasons why people get that far into music production.

Yup, but he wanted his 15 minutes of fame.

Well at least he has THAT going for him, if nothing else.

K. And we're the dumb ones! LOLS. GAL
 

Adi6293

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There's another way to know. The fact that "NEVERMIND" is tattooed across his chest. That tells me that he's not only not damaged by it, but that it's a source of pride and identity for him. If it were so humiliating to him, he wouldn't be constantly calling attention to it with a permanent beacon like that.

Have you seen this video?

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Avro Arrow

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Have you seen this video?

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I wasn't able to watch all of it at this point (I'm at work) but I did see the first ¼ of it or so. Thus far, this guy's awesome. I almost pissed myself when his mother came down and asked him if he was looking into moving out.

Thanks for introducing me to him. I've subscribed to him. He seems like a funnier version of the channels known as "Joe Scott" and "Knowing Better", two channels that I love. :D
 

Markoni35

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The tattoo should get his case dismissed and committed to a mental hospital.

No, no, they should sue HIM for using their copyrighted material on his chest. He has been profiting from his role in the album for years, and now when he's broke (probably too much drugs) he's blackmailing them. They should sue him for copyright violation.
 

Adi6293

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I wasn't able to watch all of it at this point (I'm at work) but I did see the first ¼ of it or so. Thus far, this guy's awesome. I almost pissed myself when his mother came down and asked him if he was looking into moving out.

Thanks for introducing me to him. I've subscribed to him. He seems like a funnier version of the channels known as "Joe Scott" and "Knowing Better", two channels that I love. :D

I've been trying to watch some more left leaning channels to open my mind a little : - P I love Knowing Better btw as for Hbomberhuy you should watch his video on global warming, there is a bit that will make you fall of your chair from laughter, it's in the first 5 - 7 minutes I think. You should also try Shaun and Philosophy Tube, I don't always agree with them but I still like to watch them. Oh Kraut is also very good : -)
 

3volv3d

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I’m with all of you that this dude is just trying to swindle money, but to wish death on someone is pretty stupid on your part.
I apologise, but I regularly hope that the population shrinks, and he's not gonna cure cancer I don't think.
 

ZedRM

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Dumbest. Lawsuit. Ever.

Kinda like Apple's BS about invading peoples privacy and blatantly violating the fourth amendment over more or less the same subject. Completely transparent agenda.
 

Avro Arrow

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I've been trying to watch some more left leaning channels to open my mind a little : - P I love Knowing Better btw as for Hbomberhuy you should watch his video on global warming, there is a bit that will make you fall of your chair from laughter, it's in the first 5 - 7 minutes I think. You should also try Shaun and Philosophy Tube, I don't always agree with them but I still like to watch them. Oh Kraut is also very good : -)
I'll check those out. If you want to check out more left-leaning channels, I'd recommend a channel called "Second Thought". Now, he's makes no bones about being a socialist but he's not a supporter of soviet-style socialism. He just thinks that capitalism, as it is now, has gotten terrible (and he's right). Check out this video on the Afghanistan War. I guarantee you that what he says makes a pantload of sense. He doesn't villify the Republicans or Democrats, he villifies them both. It's just under 18 minutes long and it really does a great job of putting just how much the USA spends on military operations into perspective:
 

wiyosaya

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I'll check those out. If you want to check out more left-leaning channels, I'd recommend a channel called "Second Thought". Now, he's makes no bones about being a socialist but he's not a supporter of soviet-style socialism. He just thinks that capitalism, as it is now, has gotten terrible (and he's right). Check out this video on the Afghanistan War. I guarantee you that what he says makes a pantload of sense. He doesn't villify the Republicans or Democrats, he villifies them both. It's just under 18 minutes long and it really does a great job of putting just how much the USA spends on military operations into perspective:
IMO, there are some excellent, non-partisan again, IMO, points in this video. Every US citizen reading thread should send a link to this video to their representatives, IMO.

I've been watching the last season of Homeland which is mainly inspired by the war in Afghanistan. One quote that I caught in one of the episodes (I consider this non-partisan, too) was "A weak president goes to war to make himself look strong."

Anyway, the guy trying to sue Nirvana after so many seems totally ridiculous, IMO, and looks like a money grab. WTF? What other reason would this guy have waited so long??

Here's an interesting read on "explicit art" being used as freedom of expression in the US. https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression-arts-and-entertainment

Given what is said at this link (based on SCOTUS decisions) I doubt this guy this guy will win anything.
 

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IMO, there are some excellent, non-partisan again, IMO, points in this video. Every US citizen reading thread should send a link to this video to their representatives, IMO.

I've been watching the last season of Homeland which is mainly inspired by the war in Afghanistan. One quote that I caught in one of the episodes (I consider this non-partisan, too) was "A weak president goes to war to make himself look strong."

Anyway, the guy trying to sue Nirvana after so many seems totally ridiculous, IMO, and looks like a money grab. WTF? What other reason would this guy have waited so long??

Here's an interesting read on "explicit art" being used as freedom of expression in the US. https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression-arts-and-entertainment

Given what is said at this link (based on SCOTUS decisions) I doubt this guy this guy will win anything.
I'm glad that you liked the video. Even though he calls himself a socialist, I find that he cares more about truth than anything else and truth is non-partisan. As for the Nevermind baby, I wouldn't mind if he gets some money because, let's face it, that picture literally made Nirvana millions of dollars and they can afford to cough some up. I don't believe that if he gets anything that it will be for the BS reasons that he's citing.
 

wiyosaya

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I'm glad that you liked the video. Even though he calls himself a socialist, I find that he cares more about truth than anything else and truth is non-partisan.
IMO, truth is necessary, and cannot be defined by what one person claims to be truth. I also see truth as non-partisan. If only everyone in this day and age were also able to see the non-partisan nature of truth, I think the world would be in much better shape.
As for the Nevermind baby, I wouldn't mind if he gets some money because, let's face it, that picture literally made Nirvana millions of dollars and they can afford to cough some up. I don't believe that if he gets anything that it will be for the BS reasons that he's citing.
Nirvana was not really my generation. Had a group like Pink Floyd used the same album cover, it would not have affected my decision to buy any of their albums. I am choosing Pink Floyd as a comparison because if I get what Nirvana was trying to say, Pink Floyd said much the same thing in many of their musical works. IMO, its a difficult call as to whether the picture directly contributed to Nirvana making substantial amounts of money.

Pink Floyd had a somewhat similar iconic album cover for the album "Wish You Were Here" with a man in a suit who was literally on fire. Interestingly enough, with the Nirvana baby's lawsuit, there's an interesting, IMO, article out there on iconic album covers and such - https://bigworldtale.com/music/behi...s-lawsuits-setting-a-man-on-fire-and-romance/

But if the guy thinks he is due some of the money, I am sure it was not difficult for him to find a lawyer to try to argue the case in his favor.
 

Bl00dyMinded

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I actually have this CD signed by all 3 band members... I wonder if this will now be worth more money LOL. This dude is a joke. He was so offended that he decided to recreate the picture as an adult...
 

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IMO, truth is necessary, and cannot be defined by what one person claims to be truth. I also see truth as non-partisan. If only everyone in this day and age were also able to see the non-partisan nature of truth, I think the world would be in much better shape.

Nirvana was not really my generation. Had a group like Pink Floyd used the same album cover, it would not have affected my decision to buy any of their albums. I am choosing Pink Floyd as a comparison because if I get what Nirvana was trying to say, Pink Floyd said much the same thing in many of their musical works. IMO, its a difficult call as to whether the picture directly contributed to Nirvana making substantial amounts of money.

Pink Floyd had a somewhat similar iconic album cover for the album "Wish You Were Here" with a man in a suit who was literally on fire. Interestingly enough, with the Nirvana baby's lawsuit, there's an interesting, IMO, article out there on iconic album covers and such - https://bigworldtale.com/music/behi...s-lawsuits-setting-a-man-on-fire-and-romance/

But if the guy thinks he is due some of the money, I am sure it was not difficult for him to find a lawyer to try to argue the case in his favor.
Oh I know Pink Floyd. Roger Waters is a genius (if overbearing) and I truly believe that David Gilmour is the greatest guitarist to ever live. When talking about iconic album covers though, I don't think that ANY album cover is more iconic than The Dark Side of the Moon:
DarkSide.jpg

Hell, kids wear DSOTM t-shirts even today. The funny thing is that most have no idea that it represents a record-breaking album from the 70s but that design is both iconic and (ironically) timeless. Nevertheless, I'm quite certain that the members of PF are (at least supposed to be) paid royalties for every t-shirt sold. Album covers alone CAN make you richer than Midas. I know that if I owned that image, I'd never have to work again. :laughing:
 

wiyosaya

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Oh I know Pink Floyd. Roger Waters is a genius (if overbearing) and I truly believe that David Gilmour is the greatest guitarist to ever live. When talking about iconic album covers though, I don't think that ANY album cover is more iconic than The Dark Side of the Moon:
DarkSide.jpg

Hell, kids wear DSOTM t-shirts even today. The funny thing is that most have no idea that it represents a record-breaking album from the 70s but that design is both iconic and (ironically) timeless. Nevertheless, I'm quite certain that the members of PF are (at least supposed to be) paid royalties for every t-shirt sold. Album covers alone CAN make you richer than Midas. I know that if I owned that image, I'd never have to work again. :laughing:
Its a good thing Isaac Newton is no longer alive. ;)

PS - I saw Gilmour live in concert once - er, mostly saw him due to the "state" I was in. ;)

Another guitarist in his class, IMO, is Steve Howe from Yes.
 

captaincranky

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@Avro Arrow Trust me this is just some easily led sissy boy trying to bring the "Me Too" movement to the male of the species.

If you'll notice, all the "retribution and compensation for abuse" actions are being taken on the wealthy. and powerful. If that isn't crystal clear to anyone, they should be given an IQ test. (Which they would likely fail).

While we're on the subject of album covers, The rest of the DSOTM gate fold cover, is even more revealing.

Notice the particular spectrum of the spectrum being turned to what amount to an oscilloscope trace, along with the cover turning the split spectrum being converted back into white light. The symbolism, (as I see I), the duration being the length of the album in between. (YMMV)

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During the 80\s and 90's, I ran away from metal and took refuge in country. However I absolutely love symphonic metal. (Strange thing to discover in a person' 60's and 70's, I know).

However, in the 70\s seminal symphonic metal occurs with a band called the "Strawbs"

Here, they take Homer's Iliad, and turn it into a tale of the horrors of heroin addiction., titled, "Hero and Heroine"


Enjoy, or at least give it a chance.
 

wiyosaya

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@Avro Arrow Trust me this is just some easily led sissy boy trying to bring the "Me Too" movement to the male of the species.

If you'll notice, all the "retribution and compensation for abuse" actions are being taken on the wealthy. and powerful. If that isn't crystal clear to anyone, they should be given an IQ test. (Which they would likely fail).

While we're on the subject of album covers, The rest of the DSOTM gate fold cover, is even more revealing.

Notice the particular spectrum of the spectrum being turned to what amount to an oscilloscope trace, along with the cover turning the split spectrum being converted back into white light. The symbolism, (as I see I), the duration being the length of the album in between. (YMMV)

4fc8a38e-d8a6-45e3-9613-83eea18ba0fe.jpg


During the 80\s and 90's, I ran away from metal and took refuge in country. However I absolutely love symphonic metal. (Strange thing to discover in a person' 60's and 70's, I know).

However, in the 70\s seminal symphonic metal occurs with a band called the "Strawbs"

Here, they take Homer's Iliad, and turn it into a tale of the horrors of heroin addiction., titled, "Hero and Heroine"


Enjoy, or at least give it a chance.
That heartbeat was a prominent theme in DSTOM as I recall. All of this makes me want to revisit DSTOM and figure out what I missed. I was far more into Yes at the time (not to mention, young and ignorant :laughing: or put another way, "Part of the Machine" ;) )

You have some excellent perspectives on music, Captain. A friend of mine was into the Strawbs. I will have to give that album a listen. To paraphrase: "So much good music, so little time."
 

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@Avro Arrow Trust me this is just some easily led sissy boy trying to bring the "Me Too" movement to the male of the species.
Oh I totally agree. This guy's pathetic.
If you'll notice, all the "retribution and compensation for abuse" actions are being taken on the wealthy. and powerful. If that isn't crystal clear to anyone, they should be given an IQ test. (Which they would likely fail).
Well yeah, but that's because they're the ones least hurt by it. If you have 30 million dollars, nobody's going to feel sorry for you if you lose 2 million of it because that amount makes no difference in your life but makes a huge difference in someone else's. I think that it would be a really nice place to be, all things considered.
While we're on the subject of album covers, The rest of the DSOTM gate fold cover, is even more revealing.

Notice the particular spectrum of the spectrum being turned to what amount to an oscilloscope trace, along with the cover turning the split spectrum being converted back into white light. The symbolism, (as I see I), the duration being the length of the album in between. (YMMV)

4fc8a38e-d8a6-45e3-9613-83eea18ba0fe.jpg
Wow, that's really profound. I never noticed that. That's pretty awesome!
During the 80\s and 90's, I ran away from metal and took refuge in country. However I absolutely love symphonic metal. (Strange thing to discover in a person' 60's and 70's, I know).
Well, I don't really consider Pink Floyd to be metal. It's more experimental psychedelic rock and it is definitely symphonic. I think that Cream invented the metal genre with Sweet Wine in 1966 and Pink Floyd definitely sounds different. What links Pink Floyd to metal is the fact that pretty much anyone who likes metal will like Pink Floyd as well.
However, in the 70\s seminal symphonic metal occurs with a band called the "Strawbs"

Here, they take Homer's Iliad, and turn it into a tale of the horrors of heroin addiction., titled, "Hero and Heroine"


Enjoy, or at least give it a chance.
Thanks. I'm always open to new experiences. I can't listen to it at work but I'll definitely check it out. I like metal and when I think of symphonic rock, I think of Electric Light Orchestra they're great so I'll probably really like the Strawbs. :D
 
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captaincranky

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Well yeah, but that's because they're the ones least hurt by it. If you have 30 million dollars, nobody's going to feel sorry for you if you lose 2 million of it because that amount makes no difference in your life but makes a huge difference in someone else's. I think that it would be a really nice place to be, all things considered.
No, it's a power play. They either want the person they're accusing'd job, or want them fired from it.

You can't say "no harm" has been done to Bill Cosby, now can you? As far as I'n concerned the biddies accusing him are a bunch of vulturous harpies.

They well knew what they were getting into, when they rang the door bell. As far as, "being drugged" goes, I''d speculate that was voluntary as well. Quaalude was almost a certainty to get you, "lucky".

Besides, during that period, it was fashionable for white women to date black men, in order to prove how, "adventurous", and "liberal" they were.

Go back and listen to the last thing Dan Aykroyd says in that SNL skit I posted earlier. It'll put everything into perspective.

So now it's 40 years later, they're losing their looks, experiencing menopause, and have decided to get what they were out for so many years ago.
Well, I don't really consider Pink Floyd to be metal. It's more experimental psychedelic rock and it is definitely symphonic. I think that Cream invented the metal genre with Sweet Wine in 1966 and Pink Floyd definitely sounds different. What links Pink Floyd to metal is the fact that pretty much anyone who likes metal will like Pink Floyd as well.
Um, neither do I. We had a contextual rift there, and likely my fault due to poor composition.

When I say, "early metal", I'm referring to "Metallica" and their ilk. Just my impression and opinion, but it always seemed like they were too loud, too annoying, and trying way too hard. After all, wasn't Kiss supposed to be "metal"? To mitigate and explain that viewpoint, let me say I really do enjoy California rock and much of the country from the 90's. I bypassed all of punk and grunge, as well as disco.

BTW, really early Floyd was absolute sh!t. (IMO naturally). Just a bunch of Roger Water's self serving bullsh!t noises in the background. (He never grew out of that, but that's for another time). To prove yourself "truly hip", was to embrace early Pink. You were supposed to get incapacitated on the best weed you could find, and then listen for all the "clever things" in the background. Look up, "Firesign Theater", which was the same thing, but in the setting of comedy and social commentary.. Pink Floyd really started getting good with, "Meddles", which some consider their best album. Still, all their signature work features Gilmore at the mic, and not Waters diddling around in the background.

I could go on for pages, but as always, mercifully, I won;t
 
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captaincranky

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You have some excellent perspectives on music, Captain. A friend of mine was into the Strawbs. I will have to give that album a listen. To paraphrase: "So much good music, so little time."
Thanks, I appreciate that. I say "good music is where you stumble into it". Here's a little cutie from Yugoslavia covering Leonard Cohen's, "Hallelujah". She's got her best black leather pants on, her Ibanez RG fired up, and rocks it to the heavens. (Not really, but that's where the video was filmed)

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wiyosaya

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Thanks, I appreciate that. I say "good music is where you stumble into it". Here's a little cutie from Yugoslavia covering Leonard Cohen's, "Hallelujah". She's got her best black leather pants on, her Ibanez RG fired up, and rocks it to the heavens. (Not really, but that's where the video was filmed)

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Thanks for sharing that Captain. Kids, and You Tube, these days. IMO, that is some excellent guitar work. Not to mention nerves of steel as she performed some of it on a precipice that would have given me some serious jitters. :cold_sweat:

The video looked to me like it was professionally produced. I have to wonder whether she is performing professionally in any sense of the word.