The RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 could be less power hungry than first thought

passingposeidon

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I meant great compared to Europe. And I agree, there are still kinda high, 600-650 bucks/euros would have been ok for a 3080 imo, as I said I`d have probably paid even 750, but 900 is just barbaric at this time.

In the UK they are still over $1000 equivalent (~GBP 825+). And I know we have sales taxes ... we have higher salary taxes too! That's still GBP 200 over the RRP in the country, despite allegedly a massive oversupply, its been out for a few years and theres a new generation around the corner. It doesn't make sense.
 

Athlonite

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As a resident of San Diego, where we pay more per KWh than anywhere else in the country, I'd really like my next GPU to be efficient. Also, I have no AC, just open windows, so less heat would be nice too.
just out of interest what is the san diego KWh charge
 

Athlonite

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Holy hell, you pay 34¢/kWh in USD! Here in Ontario, we pay an average of 10¢/kWh in CAD! That's 7.8¢/kWh in USD! I don't know how you survive that heat without A/C but I understand why you don't have it. I guess you spend a lot of time in the ocean, eh? I know I would! :laughing:
Shoosh and here I was thinking that Gougelandastan (New Zealand) had high per KWh charges @$0.27 (+ 15% GST) per KWh
 

TheRealSCDC

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Jeez I'd love to be paying those sorts of prices for power that works out to be $0.18 Gougelandastani Plunkett's (NZ cents)
Well, South Carolina has always been a Low Tax and affordable state. In the US, each state can vary, WIDELY.
 
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antiproduct

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just out of interest what is the san diego KWh charge
It depends, here's why it's anywhere from 23.4 cents/kwh if you don't use much electricity and only use it in the middle of the night and up to 69 cents/kwh if you use a lot and it's peak rate.
The other fun option is you can just go with a flat rate where it's 39.3 cents/kwh if you don't use much and 49.5 cents/kwh if you do use a lot.
The usage is determined by what they consider a baseline and if you use 130% of that baseline, you pay more.

It's really crappy that they charge so much for a necessary good. We really don't have much we can do except to get solar, which the electric companies are currently trying to make people pay for the amount of electricity your solar panels can generate. Also, if you don't own your home, you just gotta pay.
 

Avro Arrow

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Shoosh and here I was thinking that Gougelandastan (New Zealand) had high per KWh charges @$0.27 (+ 15% GST) per KWh
Well, let's be honest here. Canada has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to hydroelectric potential with over 2,000,000 lakes and 8,500 named rivers. The only country that puts out more total hydroelectricity than Canada is China but Canada is still #1 in MW per capita (because China has 37x our population). The provinces generate their own power and they often out-produce most countries. Manitoba puts out 5.6GW, British Columbia puts out 11GW and Hydro-Québec puts out an astonishing 37.2GW.

As a result, hydroelectricity in Canada is extremely plentiful (and thus dirt cheap). The fact that our grid isn't privatised also helps tremendously because they're not run for profit (like a lot of USA grids are) and they're kept in good condition with proper maintenance and weatherproofing (ask Texans how important that can be).

I'll tell you true though, relatively expensive power or not, I'd rather live in NZ than Canada. You guys have a great thing going, much better than you're given credit for.
 
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Avro Arrow

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Canada as a country/landscape is utterly beautiful. But I wouldn't want to live there for multiple reasons.
Well, I can assure you that whatever reasons you have were probably told to you by someone who likes to exaggerate. Joe Rogan actually went so far as to call Canada a "communist" country. It just makes me wonder, if Canada is communist, what does that make the rest of NATO? :laughing:
 

TheRealSCDC

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Well, I can assure you that whatever reasons you have were probably told to you by someone who likes to exaggerate. Joe Rogan actually went so far as to call Canada a "communist" country. It just makes me wonder, if Canada is communist, what does that make the rest of NATO? :laughing:
Friend of mine is in the Canadian millitary. Speak to him quite a bit when he's not on deployment. It's a highly socialist country, maybe not communist, but very socialist. He says it about a 50/50 on what he likes and dislikes. People I've gotten to know from Canada are great.
 

Avro Arrow

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Friend of mine is in the Canadian millitary. Speak to him quite a bit when he's not on deployment. It's a highly socialist country, maybe not communist, but very socialist. He says it about a 50/50 on what he likes and dislikes. People I've gotten to know from Canada are great.
Compared to the USA, sure, but "highly socialist" is a relative term. If you consider Canada to be "highly socialist", you'd be absolutely aghast at the practices of most NATO nations. When it comes to being socialistic, Canada is actually pretty low and NATO is bringing in two more countries that are far more socialistic than Canada in Sweden and Finland.

Believe it or not, NATO as a whole is "highly socialist" and yet, the countries all seem to get along just fine with citizens who live long and happy lives. Hell, Sweden just blows me away with what they accomplish with their system. They produce their own state-of-the-art fighter jets, submarines, surface combatant vessels, radar systems, Volvo cars, Volvo and Scania trucks, are a world hockey power and, oh yeah, IKEA. Not bad for a country with just over ten million people, eh? They impress the hell out of me, that's for sure! :laughing:
 

TheRealSCDC

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Compared to the USA, sure, but "highly socialist" is a relative term. If you consider Canada to be "highly socialist", you'd be absolutely aghast at the practices of most NATO nations. When it comes to being socialistic, Canada is actually pretty low and NATO is bringing in two more countries that are far more socialistic than Canada in Sweden and Finland.

Believe it or not, NATO as a whole is "highly socialist" and yet, the countries all seem to get along just fine with citizens who live long and happy lives. Hell, Sweden just blows me away with what they accomplish with their system. They produce their own state-of-the-art fighter jets, submarines, surface combatant vessels, radar systems, Volvo cars, Volvo and Scania trucks, are a world hockey power and, oh yeah, IKEA. Not bad for a country with just over ten million people, eh? They impress the hell out of me, that's for sure! :laughing:
The 4080 is going to be a good deal in Canada. I wouldn’t touch the current generation of cards at this point
 

kmo911

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Pcie 5.0 small and big makes it not overheat. laptops doing fine with pcie 4.0 so a mini version of pcie could make it play nice. so looking for intel and amd too in tDP
 

Prrredictable

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I don't think the 4000 series will be as expensive (over all) as the 3000 series, yet it will perform better. Why get a 3080 that will be outperformed by a 4070, and most likely cheaper.
Well, I think this is purely a matter of what you believe pricing is going to look like and speculation on the performance of a 4070. Fact of the matter is, you can get 3080s from time to time NOW under MSRP. Regardless of the pricing/performance of the not-yet-announced 4070, which could be months or more away, I still think the 3080 at MSRP or below is a fantastic value.
 

Prrredictable

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I would have considered that, but unfortunately, in my country, Romania, the cheapest price for a 3080 is still around 100 euros over MSRP, like 890-900 euros. Prices in US are great, the cheapest is around 750 bucks, so I would have definitely bought that. I skipped the 2000 series, so I`ve been basically waiting for 5 years to upgrade and so five, six more months won`t kill me. Unless US prices come to Europe, why buy old tech, when something better price/performance wise is around the corner?
Sure. If you want to keep waiting then, of course, that's your prerogative. That's totally cool. But there will always be better tech just months away. It's the nature of the industry.
 

TheRealSCDC

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Well, I think this is purely a matter of what you believe pricing is going to look like and speculation on the performance of a 4070. Fact of the matter is, you can get 3080s from time to time NOW under MSRP. Regardless of the pricing/performance of the not-yet-announced 4070, which could be months or more away, I still think the 3080 at MSRP or below is a fantastic value.
But it's an inflated MSRP to begin with. A 3080 should MSRP for 599.00. The 2080 Super was 499.00
 

Prrredictable

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You are correct, I was wrong :) My wife is quick to point out when I'm wrong. lol.
You and me both. And honestly, I'm not saying that's a *great price* for a high end card. It's definitely very expensive. But given that that's been the trend with the next-to-flagship cards, that's sort of where I'm saying the value of the 3080 at or below MSRP is a great value. The performance - if you're going to pay that expensive price - is great and the card will last for years if you want it to. Even if the 4070 is more powerful, its going to be at a comparative price and may not be available until well into next year. At that point, you'll just be a year or so away from the next series of cards and on and on. Waiting is perfectly fine, but grabbing one now is perfectly fine too. The resale value on the high end cards remains strong for years after release.