hey mates, not totally sure that this is the right place for this thread, seeing that its only peripherally audio related, but here goes anyway. for years now i've been useing what i consider to be the best mp3 player available, the rio carbon. great battery life (27+ hours playback back when it was new 20-23 now), tiny, great sound and nearly 6 gig of storage. however, my beloved player has finally given up the ghost beyond my ability to heal. i'm not keen on getting a factory recertified, my second carbon was recertified and it was the most problematic of the 3 i've had. and they make new ones anymore. so, i'm putting out the call to all audiophiles out there to help me decide on the best mp3 player money can buy. the requirements: 1 great sound quality (i've got fantastic head phones and it'd be a shame to put them to waste) 2 good battery life (20 hours play time MINIMUM) 3 6 gig minimum capacity, 8 would be better 4 fairly rugged 5 some sort of versatile scroll wheel (IE that works with volume, list scrolling etc) i'm no fan of the IPod and i'd rather not get one, but i listen to music and audio books for at least 6 hours most days and sometimes upward of 10 so i really want to get the best one out there (if it happens to be an ipod). so folks, bring on the opinions, horror stories, digital love affairs etc.