Upcoming Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti could "easily" match the RTX 3090 Ti

Lounds

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Once the midrange cards are over 250W then the midrange is dead. It requires a new PSU on top of the new purchase.
 

TheRealSCDC

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What does Chervron have to do with video cards? You "conservatives" must always drag every topic into politics, eh? You'll never be satisfied until every last drop of oil and natural resources are siphoned out of the earth all the while pointing fingers at liberals.
Has everything to do with it. What do you think creates energy? when you break it down, Petroleum. The trucks ship everything everywhere, to power stations, to your stores, do your home. China is in a large push for coal powered plants. For every one the US wants to get rid of, China wants 2.

It's all about the need for power. While other products get more efficient, a lot of computer products do not.

I think Video cards and CPU's should come with those big yellow stickers you now see on even TV's that show you the average cost per year to use. You know, with the line chart.

It's you that just brought politics into a video card discussion. You are seeing things through very narrow eyes, just like the people that say everything is racist. WOKE.

And, you probably immediately thought I was a "Conservative". Nope, nada. I'm neither. I'm for the person with the most sound economic policies for my family. Often it's Democrats. Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents for the Economy.
 
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Jrfeimst2

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So 400 TDP vs 450 TDP? I mean that’s an improvement, but not a big one by any means. If it was 350 TDP at the same performance I would say awesome that’s a great improvement, but 50 watts less is well nothing. They gotta do better in efficiency in my opinion. I wonder how amd is looking with efficiency.
 

Nobina

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Performance is king.
Always will be.
Radeon GPUs will use more power too.

I just want a ~150fps avg @ 1440p GPU for a good price.
If that was the case cards like RTX 3090 Ti and RX 6950 XT would be the most popular cards but they are not so you must be wrong.
 

TheRealSCDC

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If that was the case cards like RTX 3090 Ti and RX 6950 XT would be the most popular cards but they are not so you must be wrong.
It comes down to cost. Performance isn't king and nVidia/AMD knows this. This is part of the psychology of pricing. Make the top dog out of reach and everything below seems reasonable. That's how many manufacturers/salesman get you to buy. Like a car. Show you something out of your price range and as you waffle, then show you what they intended on selling anyways.
 

Bluescreendeath

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China is in a large push for coal powered plants. For every one the US wants to get rid of, China wants 2.

It's all about the need for power. While other products get more efficient, a lot of computer products do not.

I think Video cards and CPU's should come with those big yellow stickers you now see on even TV's that show you the average cost per year to use. You know, with the line chart.

Graphics cards and cpus do get more efficient. The performance per watt of todays computer products is several times greater than the components from 10 years ago.

And China recently stopped building coal plants overseas. In the USA, natural gas (not green energy) killed coal because natural gas is both cheaper and cleaner than coal.

Coal would still be a dying industry even if we magically got rid of all environmental regulations because natural gas was simply more economically viable.
 

toooooot

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Sounds interesting. yet more interesting it will be to know the situation with availability on release.
Would all the cards be so much better at mining that they all immediately sell out?
 

Strawman

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Unfortunately, with the power draws listed, you would need a PSU of approximately 1200 watts to be on the "sweet spot", which is going to occur at about 800 or 900 watts.

This video from "GamersNexus" explains "transient spikes". Even though I don't game, I still found it interesting

Really now? I have a 3090 and a 12900k. Peak gaming wattage doesn't exceed 600-650, average is lower than that.
 

Nobina

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Really now? I have a 3090 and a 12900k. Peak gaming wattage doesn't exceed 600-650, average is lower than that.
That's just the CPU and GPU, other parts not included? Both are very power-hungry parts, if you lock the framerate and there's overhead then I can understand or if it's undervolted.
 

TheRealSCDC

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The Gaming PC has got to be the most ECO-Unfriendly piece of equipment in a household. And I have 3 (mine and my 2 daughters). Thankfully I don't game much so my main hog of energy is my 3 monitors doing excel and database work. Daughters game maybe a few hours after college and work. So the over all power draw isn't bad because it's for short periods. But it is still a lot!
 

Endymio

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And China recently stopped building coal plants overseas.
No they didn't.

"China’s promise to stop building coal plants overseas is full of caveats and loopholes...China announced the ban last year, but Chinese companies are still pursuing carbon-intensive coal projects abroad. Currently, Chinese banks and companies are involved in 86 coal power projects abroad

...the government’s definition of “new” allows China to continue building dozens of plants. On top of that large caveat, Chinese companies have also exploited gray areas to continue to pursue coal projects overseas, even if they weren’t already under construction when Xi made his announcement.

Seven months later, those who cheered Xi’s pledge are asking: How much impact will it actually have?"
 

captaincranky

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What I would like to see is a 4070 Ti, cooler Temps, much less energy spent and as fast as the 3090 Ti. But that is not what we are getting, is it?
I have an open challenge to anyone who thinks they can armchair design a better CPU or VGA than what\'s being designed by teams of thousands of people. Just design and build something as simple as say, a 386 CPU. at home.

Other than being able to do that that, you'll have to concede, most of what these threads consist of are people whimpering about what they believe they're entitled to.
And it could use as many energy and TDP.
Just curious, when did "many", become a synonym for "much"?
 

captaincranky

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Really now? I have a 3090 and a 12900k. Peak gaming wattage doesn't exceed 600-650, average is lower than that.
My post was based on figures based on numbers in a post by another member, either measured, "or imagined" by that person.

How about if I put it this way? A "platinum" or other precious metal rated PSU, will only meet its true efficiency goals at 60%, (or thereabouts), of its total power output.

As for what your system consists of, or draws, I could care less
 

mbk34

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I'm more interested in the lower end cards and, most particularly, their price. I'm still running a 1060 6GB card and would of upgraded to a 3060 Ti if I could of justified the money. At the current time I'd probably prefer to go with the equivalent of a 3070 now simply so I can try doing some development with UE5. Unfortunately I'd feel an ***** paying top dollar for a 3070 that's now just 2 year old tech. I'd like to think that Nvidia is respecting their customer again and bringing prices back down but, if not, then I'll just continue on with my 1060. This in turn means I won't bother upgrading the rest of my hardware. Which, if others are doing the same, stagnates the whole market.
 

Bluescreendeath

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No they didn't.

"China’s promise to stop building coal plants overseas is full of caveats and loopholes...China announced the ban last year, but Chinese companies are still pursuing carbon-intensive coal projects abroad. Currently, Chinese banks and companies are involved in 86 coal power projects abroad

...the government’s definition of “new” allows China to continue building dozens of plants. On top of that large caveat, Chinese companies have also exploited gray areas to continue to pursue coal projects overseas, even if they weren’t already under construction when Xi made his announcement.

Seven months later, those who cheered Xi’s pledge are asking: How much impact will it actually have?"
Yes. They only promised to stopped building "new" coal plants and are continuing to build plants that are under construction or that were already contracted for construction before the promise was made.
 

Endymio

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Yes. They only promised to stopped building "new" coal plants
No. You missed the important part:

"...On top of that large caveat, Chinese companies have also exploited gray areas to continue to pursue coal projects overseas, even if they weren’t already under construction when Xi made his announcement.

Also relevant is this story from just a few days ago, long after Xi made his false promise:

"SHANGHAI, July 20 (Reuters) - China New Coal Plant Approvals Surge ... China approved the construction of 8.63 gigawatts (GW) of coal power in the first quarter of this year, nearly half the amount seen in all of 2021, as energy security trumps climate concerns...

One fact is indisputable. Since Xi first made his pledge, China's financing and construction of new coal plants hasn't declined. It's risen dramatically:

A total of 247 gigawatts of coal power is now in planning or development, nearly six times Germany’s entire coal-fired capacity. China has also proposed additional new coal plants that, if built, would generate 73.5 gigawatts of power, more than five times the 13.9 gigawatts proposed in the rest of the world combined. Last year, Chinese provinces granted construction approval to 47 gigawatts of coal power projects, more than three times the capacity permitted in 2019.
 
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