Valve unveils verification process for games on Steam Deck

Yenega

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People who tried Valve's Proton say that it works really well, especially on AMD hardware (Valve and AMD are working on improving stability and performance of the drivers). Let's not make make sweeping statements without actually trying it.

What I do know is that Nvidia software is currently very wanky so that's why you are hearing these "jokes" about Linux gaming. Most people have Nvidia GPUs.

You should have the majority of AAA games working on Steam using Proton. Wine is a fallback for other games.
Proton is just WINE basicly.

Linux is only free if you time has no value. I have used Unix and Linux for years, mostly for servers and my own home server runs Debian too. Usually lots of troubleshooting, but when it runs, it runs forever, pretty much.

However, I never understood why some people, especially gamers, would even bother with Linux. So many issues in general. PC games are made for Windows and Nvidia + AMD have drivers ready on release for new games. You don't get sh1t on Unix and this is why you see way more wonky stuff. It's pretty much emulation and emulation is never or very rarely perfect. Native play is always superior; You play the way developers intended.

Why would a PC GAMER choose Unix/Linux. It's just asking for trouble and limitations.

It's "okay" for casual gaming and there's always Tux Racer 😂 But if you are into hardware and buy new stuff all the time, as in high-end GPUs etc. It makes no sense to use it .. Atleast dualboot then.
 
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Puiu

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Proton is just WINE basicly.

Linux is only free if you time has no value. I have used Unix and Linux for years, mostly for servers and my own home server runs Debian too. Usually lots of troubleshooting, but when it runs, it runs forever, pretty much.

However, I never understood why some people, especially gamers, would even bother with Linux. So many issues in general. PC games are made for Windows and Nvidia + AMD have drivers ready on release for new games. You don't get sh1t on Unix and this is why you see way more wonky stuff. It's pretty much emulation and emulation is never or very rarely perfect. Native play is always superior; You play the way developers intended.

Why would a PC GAMER choose Unix/Linux. It's just asking for trouble and limitations.

It's "okay" for casual gaming and there's always Tux Racer 😂 But if you are into hardware and buy new stuff all the time, as in high-end GPUs etc. It makes no sense to use it .. Atleast dualboot then.
You are not choosing "linux", you are choosing a handheld console that can play many if not all of your favourite PC games. The fact that you are allowed to tinker with the OS is an added bonus, not a detriment. There is no "hassle" or any of the things you seem to associate Linux with it, especially for the games in your Steam Library.

The console was shown to run Doom Eternal at around 60FPS (±10fps) with medium settings at its native resolution (no dynamic resolution), which is really good for such demanding game. With the extra driver optimisations and changes they are making to the OS and Proton, it should run even better than that at launch.

You seem to be weirdly against this even though nobody here knows yet how well it works, what games work, overall performance etc etc.
 

Yenega

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You are not choosing "linux", you are choosing a handheld console that can play many if not all of your favourite PC games. The fact that you are allowed to tinker with the OS is an added bonus, not a detriment. There is no "hassle" or any of the things you seem to associate Linux with it, especially for the games in your Steam Library.

The console was shown to run Doom Eternal at around 60FPS (±10fps) with medium settings at its native resolution (no dynamic resolution), which is really good for such demanding game. With the extra driver optimisations and changes they are making to the OS and Proton, it should run even better than that at launch.

You seem to be weirdly against this even though nobody here knows yet how well it works, what games work, overall performance etc etc.

Lets be real, Doom Eternal is not demanding, even Switch can run it with 30 fps and this is 5 year old low-end hardware. I blast out 200+ fps at max settings at 1440p/240Hz with a 3080.

It also uses Vulkan - Games made for DirectX is a whole other talk and most PC games are

Proton is just a fork of Wine nothing is really much different, new "wine" on old bottle 😂

I'm against seeing LCD trash screens on stuff like this yeah and specs are mediocre at best. This is why I say in 2-4 years an updated version might be worth buying; At least 8 core CPU and OLED 90 Hz panel with VRR is what I require.

Why would I buy this Steam Deck - it will age like milk going forward. Low-end Quad core CPU, low TFLOPS GPU and a 800p LCD 60 Hz with no HDR or VRR? Hell no... Outside of indie games it will be a terrible experience, with tearing all over because fps varies alot (15-45fps wonkyness).

VALVE already said most of the steam catalog will run at "around" 30 fps on low to medium settings, this means fps dips below 30 fps for sure and demanding AAA games will run like pure trash on this thing. I expect stutter and huge dips in most newer games as a fast (5 GHz Intel) quad also can result in stutter in tons of new games. Next gen consoles have 8 cores, all new high-end pcs have 8 cores minimum. Future looks dark for STEAM DECK. When true next gen games comes out, without PS4/XB1 support.

I predict Valve will drag the release out (blame it on covid and chip production), and update the internals before they actually release it .. in 2023-2024 😂

Lets see a PRO VERSION too with proper DISPLAY thank you.
 
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Puiu

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Lets be real, Doom Eternal is not demanding, even Switch can run it with 30 fps and this is 5 year old low-end hardware. I blast out 200+ fps at max settings at 1440p/240Hz with a 3080.

It also uses Vulkan - Games made for DirectX is a whole other talk and most PC games are

Proton is just a fork of Wine nothing is really much different, new "wine" on old bottle 😂

I'm against seeing LCD trash screens on stuff like this yeah and specs are mediocre at best. This is why I say in 2-4 years an updated version might be worth buying; At least 8 core CPU and OLED 90 Hz panel with VRR is what I require.

Why would I buy this Steam Deck - it will age like milk going forward. Low-end Quad core CPU, low TFLOPS GPU and a 800p LCD 60 Hz with no HDR or VRR? Hell no... Outside of indie games it will be a terrible experience, with tearing all over because fps varies alot (15-45fps wonkyness).

VALVE already said most of the steam catalog will run at "around" 30 fps on low to medium settings, this means fps dips below 30 fps for sure.

I predict Valve will drag the release out (blame it on covid and chip production), and update the internals before they actually release it .. in 2023-2024 😂
No Valve didn't say that most of the catalogue will run at 30FPS, they said that all AAA titles run at 30 or better.

For example Cyberpunk should get 30FPS with high settings and Shadow of the Tomb Raider 30 FPS with the highest settings, but if you lower settings you can get it to 60FPS. You could even potentially use Ultra Quality FSR with a 80% render scale if you to set the settings higher than low or medium and still get 60fps in such titles.

You have an example of how it works now here:

And let's be real, did you not read at what resolution and settings you get 60FPS in Doom? Are you seriously comparing it with the low setting, 540p, 30 fps Switch port?

And you've clearly never gamed with Proton (or even Wine). You are making such a bold statement about how it works. I suggest to do it after at least some simple research (if you don't want to try Proton and Wine, google should still be of help).

Some people are even reporting better performance in some games compared to Windows (The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt being one of them).

One of the most common issues when using Proton has been the anti-cheat software for multiplayer games, but this is one area we know they are fixing (like BattleEye, which announced a patch coming soon for Proton).

According to https://www.protondb.com/ , 75% of the 20k games that have been tested work really well (Gold+ or better), with most of the bigger titles that don't work being online games that have anti-cheat (PubG and Destiny 2 have battleEye).

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Yenega

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No Valve didn't say that most of the catalogue will run at 30FPS, they said that all AAA titles run at 30 or better. For example Cyberpunk should get 30FPS with high settings and Shadow of the Tomb Raider 30 FPS with the highest settings, but if you lower settings you can get it to 60FPS. You could potentially use Ultra Quality FSR with a 80% render scale to be able to set the settings higher than low or medium and still get 60fps.

you have an example here:

And let's be real, did you not read at what resolution and settings you get 60FPS in Doom? Are you seriously comparing it with the low setting, 540p, 30 fps Switch port?

And you've clearly never gamed with Proton (or even Wine). You are making such a bold statement about how it works. Do it after some simple research (even if you didn't try or want to try Proton and Wine, google should still be of help).

One of the most common issues when using Proton has been the anti-cheat software for multiplayer games, but this is one area we know they are fixing (like BattleEye, which announced a patch coming soon for Proton).

According to https://www.protondb.com/ , 75% of the 20k games that have been tested work really well (Gold+ or better), with most of the bigger titles that don't work being online games that have anti-cheat (PubG and Destiny 2 have battleEye).

"Working" and "Best Experience" are two very different things. And yeah I have tried Wine many times thru the years.

Proton is based on a fork of Wine.

The only reason why Valve even bothers with this, is because SteamOS failed hard because so many games left the platform, because they were milking dev's for years. Now there's tons of launches with exclusive games on PC. So you really do need Windows on Steam Deck to be able to play all PC games properly.
 

Puiu

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"Working" and "Best Experience" are two very different things. And yeah I have tried Wine many times thru the years.

Proton is based on a fork of Wine.

The only reason why Valve even bothers with this, is because SteamOS failed hard because so many games left the platform, because they were milking dev's for years. Now there's tons of launches with exclusive games on PC. So you really do need Windows on Steam Deck to be able to play all PC games properly.
You are just assuming things without actually knowing how well it works. No, you don't "need" windows, even though can install windows on it if you want.

I see that you are comparing a handheld console to an OS given to third party OEMs to use. Now I know why you are so against it and why you are making so many weird assumptions.