Windows 10 users will be waiting until 2022 for the Windows 11 upgrade rollout

gamerk2

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If you've ever tried HDR in win 10 then you know the auto HDR is a key feature.
Because HDR doesn't work in Windows 10. I've had too many circumstances where either:

A: Some Windows UI element causes HDR to flicker to SDR then back to HDR again (which takes a second or two each way)

B: Mismatch in modes between Windows and the Display after a mode switch.

Making *everything* HDR should fix both the above issues.
 

hahahanoobs

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I can agree, as long as there's good reason to up the hardware requirements, or if new features that actually improve the experience (not eyecandy) would make the software run too slowly on older hardware.

I.e., no one complained when Microsoft dropped support for 286 CPUs when they released Windows 3.1. It was necessary for the new improved memory management. Same when Microsoft dropped support for 486 CPUs on Windows XP. Some people complained about the beefed up hardware requirements of Windows Vista, but they were necessary for the new kernel, revamped UI and plethora of new revamped features (unlike most I've always liked Vista).

However, Microsoft hasn't given any good excuse to drop support for hardware that's obviously more than capable of running W11 very well, and I doubt they ever will. I can't comprehend why someone would ever defend such a practice, unless you're receiving something in return to defend it.



I don't see anyone scaring people for no reason, what I see is encouraging people to actually get the facts. W11 wasn't even supposed to exist. After MS has claimed for years that W10 would be the last version of Windows and it would last forever, shows you can't trust a single statement that comes from them.

And the W10 start menu is and has always been terrible. It's nothing more than the much maligned W8 start screen in a vertical list format. Baffles me how so very few people realize this.
Day one everyone was scrambling to find tpm checks and questioning MS past practices, previewing game perf on a first beta already months old, good vs bad OS's etc etc etc.

And then your reply starting way back to 286's and Windows 3.1, and laughable predictions. I fail to understand the importance of making a poor 50/50 prediction when no one cares if you are right or not. It's very unproductive.

There are far more productive things to do than being upset with a company over past dealings when 95% of consumers are gonna get it regardless.

Embarrassing.
 

arrowflash

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Day one everyone was scrambling to find tpm checks and questioning MS past practices, previewing game perf on a first beta already months old, good vs bad OS's etc etc etc.

And then your reply starting way back to 286's and Windows 3.1, and laughable predictions. I fail to understand the importance of making a poor 50/50 prediction when no one cares if you are right or not. It's very unproductive.

There are far more productive things to do than being upset with a company over past dealings when 95% of consumers are gonna get it regardless.

Embarrassing.

In other words, you have no arguments to refute my reply. Got it.
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 3,714   +1,785
In other words, you have no arguments to refute my reply. Got it.

You were my case in point with that reply.

And I wait for reviews for a reason.

You guys also complain about telemetry and security. But if it involves a hardware upgrade, you start crying? Or just because it's Microsoft? (Or NVIDIA?) I think the below is more than enough justification for the new requirements, while simultaneously being the BEST way to make sure everyone follows through. We've seen what happens when simple alphanumeric passwords are left up to users.

It's also sad the focus has been on TPM, and not so much what it exactly does.
Instead already looking to bypass it and whine about how it "forces" an upgrade. This is security we're talking about. But to them, it's a good thing - as long as it's convenient. Give me a break! Those people are insane.

"Windows 11 raises the bar for security by requiring hardware that can enable protections like Windows Hello, Device Encryption, virtualization-based security (VBS), hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI) and Secure Boot. The combination of these features has been shown to reduce malware by 60% on tested devices. Windows 11 does this all supported CPUs having an embedded TPM, supporting secure boot, and supporting VBS and specific VBS capabilities."

You either want security or you don't. EVERYONE should want it. Stop whining!
 
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arrowflash

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TPM is not about security AT ALL, except maybe local anti-tampering security in corporate office environments, but it does nothing for the ordinary end user (of course Microsoft will tell you otherwise and try to convince you it's for your own good).

MS's true goal with TPM is control, so 1. them and 3-letter agencies can better spy on you, 2. to introduce new forms of DRM for software and media, and also 3. taming users in getting accustomed to having gradually less control and choice over their devices and OS. This has already been discussed to death by TS community in this and other posts about W11.

If you still don't get it, you just never will and arguing further is pointless.
 

scavengerspc

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**** I think my CPU has virtual TPM, just need to enable it in BIOS. May require an update which I am DREADING. Last one didn't go well...
From what I have read it should but even at that your motherboard will have a TPM header. I still have a lot of old parts stored away, for some reason, but I dug up an i7 920 on a ASUS P6T Deluxe 1366 board that has a TPM header. That thing is from 2009-10.
 
OK for me, looking to build a new PC towards the end of this year (If I can get hold of new parts that is), current PC is i7 Gen2 so needs a rebuild
 

DukeJukem

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"Upgrading" to a new OS shouldn't really be a thing. Swipe your drive and install the new OS fresh. Microsoft breaks something with every monthly update. Do you really think upgrading instead of doing a fresh install is a good idea? No......it's not and never has been.

 

ragreeen2646

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MY opinion---I get the feeling that WIN 11 is going to be Vista or WIN 8. WIN7 fixed the mistakes made in Vista. WIN 10 fixed the mistakes made in WIN 8. Who are these people in Microsoft listening to? QUESTION: Why do we need to radically change the look and feel of something that users have become comfortable with. It is hard for me to fathom what they are thinking.