Windows 12 will be a different, modular monster with faster updates, AI integrations,...

yannus

Posts: 260   +253
Windows 10 = CANCER.
Windows 11 = METASTASIS.
Windows 12 = (what do you call the metastasis of a metastasis?)
It reminds me of when Micro$oft said that Linux was a cancer. Like always, it's the opposite which is true. Anyways if it wasn't for legacy and exclusivity, windows would have already lost a massive market share in favor of Linux (they have lost some market share but not massive..... yet)
 

0dium

Posts: 366   +457
The devil is always in the details, so I have a few largish salt grains reserved. But my first test of the 'modular' claim will be whether it treats my desktop as if it were a laptop. "No MS... I do NOT own a laptop, why do you keep trying to shove a battery profile into my system?"

Now, about that AI....
Crybabies don't like change. I finally switched to windows 11 after hearing everyone piss and whine about how terrible it is 2 months ago. Well I sure as hell like it more than windows 10. Once I moved the start button to the left I was golden. I also feel like it performs better. I can actually switch from a game to desktop without my system feeling like it popped a turd in it's shorts now which never happened with windows 10. I honestly thought I wasn't going to like it so I kept my windows 10 partition but I'm deleting it to make more space for games.

Plus! I can hit the start button and see all the programs I want to actually run not a list of crap I don't care about.
Ryzen 1600x, 8gb ram. I alt-tab instantly
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,396   +8,529
Isn't Windows 11 still pretty early in it's life?
Vista and Windows 8 didn't last very long, now did they? So, Windows 11 is the new "Vista".

Practically speaking, the last good version of Windows, Windows 7, wasn't designed to obsolete all your hardware, Windows 12 will be.

Decent versions of Windows, like alcoholism, skip a generation. But yet, everyone who's anyone, seems to naively snatch up the betas in between.

So, Windows 12 will be good, you'll just likely have to buy all new hardware to run it.
 

BSim500

Posts: 931   +2,207
The reason W10X failed is precisely because most of the bloat comes from the *new* UWP framework. Ripping out "legacy" Win32 does nothing but break 99% of applications and games yet still doesn't save that much space. The leaked W10X ISO size was barely 300MB smaller than the regular (almost 6GB) W10 consumer one. Meanwhile, W7 SP1 ISO (Win32 but no UWP) was way down at 3.1GB...
 

KofeViR

Posts: 295   +134
Death, or Linux, take your pick.
Linux is only free if your time has no value, they say

I use Unix/Linux for servers only, god awful for desktop use and lacks tons of native apps and support, horrible for gaming 999 out of 1000 times

MacOS is highly superior for desktop use, if you hate Windows, also has waaay higher marketshare than Linux here

Hell even ChromeOS beats Linux desktop marketshare with ease

Windows is not going anywhere
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,396   +8,529
Windows is not going anywhere
I don't suppose or predict that it is.

However, you're quoting me out of context on an absurd medical/physiological metaphor made by another member. My reference to "death", was intended to mean the ending of Windows use by that person "Or Linux", was simply to indicate that person's potential adoption of it.

And your, "market share" nonsense, isn't relevant, since Apple's OS can't be installed on a Windows user's hardware anyway. But yeah, if someone want's to spend two times the price for Mac hardware that does half as much, then Apple's OS is a viable escape route.
Linux is only free if your time has no value, they say
As for Linux "wasting time", I could sat the same about answering online postings.
I use Unix/Linux for servers only, god awful for desktop use and lacks tons of native apps and support, horrible for gaming 999 out of 1000 times
In reality, the latest versions of Mint, and of course its parent Ubuntu, have about the same native capability as Windows 7.

You're exaggerating its learning curve for people are only interested in getting emails, and surfing the web. In fact, Mint "Cinnamon", will print without installing drivers.

I'm not a gamer, so IDK or care), how many games won't run on it.

Now, Windows 7 has a much more reliable crash recovery than Mint. I only use old, obsolete, claptrap, relics for the web. I destroyed a Mint installation with a forced shutdown from a lockup, From which, Win 7 would easily recovered. Oh poo, just when I was getting the hang of Mint, I almost reduced it to source code.

I'm not normally drawn in by conspiracy theories, unless they're mine. So IMO, M$ and the major hardware manufacturers, (and software publishers), have had too many backroom meetings, and are planning "forced hardware obsolescence", with every new iteration of Windows.

With the exception of one copy of Windows 10, I'll stand at Windows 7. Accordingly, Windows, for all intents and purposes beyond Win 7 is, "dead to me".

I full well realize others needs may be far different and extensive than mine. Still, I can manage to keep myself well amused with Windows 7
 

KofeViR

Posts: 295   +134
I don't suppose or predict that it is.

However, you're quoting me out of context on an absurd medical/physiological metaphor made by another member. My reference to "death", was intended to mean the ending of Windows use by that person "Or Linux", was simply to indicate that person's potential adoption of it.

And your, "market share" nonsense, isn't relevant, since Apple's OS can't be installed on a Windows user's hardware anyway. But yeah, if someone want's to spend two times the price for Mac hardware that does half as much, then Apple's OS is a viable escape route.

As for Linux "wasting time", I could sat the same about answering online postings.

In reality, the latest versions of Mint, and of course its parent Ubuntu, have about the same native capability as Windows 7.

You're exaggerating its learning curve for people are only interested in getting emails, and surfing the web. In fact, Mint "Cinnamon", will print without installing drivers.

I'm not a gamer, so IDK or care), how many games won't run on it.

Now, Windows 7 has a much more reliable crash recovery than Mint. I only use old, obsolete, claptrap, relics for the web. I destroyed a Mint installation with a forced shutdown from a lockup, From which, Win 7 would easily recovered. Oh poo, just when I was getting the hang of Mint, I almost reduced it to source code.

I'm not normally drawn in by conspiracy theories, unless they're mine. So IMO, M$ and the major hardware manufacturers, (and software publishers), have had too many backroom meetings, and are planning "forced hardware obsolescence", with every new iteration of Windows.

With the exception of one copy of Windows 10, I'll stand at Windows 7. Accordingly, Windows, for all intents and purposes beyond Win 7 is, "dead to me".

I full well realize others needs may be far different and extensive than mine. Still, I can manage to keep myself well amused with Windows 7

All those "easy to go to distros" still lacks native apps and support, and Linux don't really have any focus from app dev's. If you are limited to the app store, sure mint is easy but it has mostly garbage. Regular users are not installing those distros anyway and advaned users feel too limited here, it's newb distros. If I actually wanted to use Linux for desktop use, I would be using a highly customized version of Arch myself.

I have 20+ years of Debian/Arch experience from servers. I could not care less about using Linux for desktop because it's not better than Windows here. It just feels off and wonky.
It's stable and will run for years, but for desktop use, naaah...

Windows 10 today is far superior to Windows 7. Windows 7 is EoL and it shows. Lacks too many features, especially if you are using somewhat new hardware it's completely pointless.
 

loki1944

Posts: 820   +595
Vista and Windows 8 didn't last very long, now did they? So, Windows 11 is the new "Vista".

Practically speaking, the last good version of Windows, Windows 7, wasn't designed to obsolete all your hardware, Windows 12 will be.

Decent versions of Windows, like alcoholism, skip a generation. But yet, everyone who's anyone, seems to naively snatch up the betas in between.

So, Windows 12 will be good, you'll just likely have to buy all new hardware to run it.
or; 11 and 12 are back to back vistas as MShafts hubris overreaches itself.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,396   +8,529
Was Ndella even the CEO when they made that announcement about windows 10 being the last version.
It certainly was Nadella. Bill Gates retired, and M$ draped the Windows 8 debacle around Steve Ballmer's neck like an anchor, and thew him off the end of a pier. (Fired him).

I kicked back and watched y'all jump for joy when you got your, "free copy of Windows 10, the last Windows ever"..

Satya Nadella has all the marketing subtlety of a fake jewelry huckster in a New Delhi street market.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 19,396   +8,529
or; 11 and 12 are back to back vistas as MShafts hubris overreaches itself.
I'm fairly certain you'll find out before I do.

I'm still laughing about all those he man types saying, "stand back, my my bad a**rig will run Windows 11, and I'm going to be the first kid on the block to install it".

Face it, M$ could have simply updated the task scheduler in Windows 10, to deal with Intel'\s "E core, P core", nonsense.

Little by little M$ is homing in on a closed system platform, They can't do it all at once, or people would know that, "they are recreating themselves in Apple's own image".

Every time they want to sell a new version of Windows, all they have to do is, prey on people's greed, egos insecurities, and uncertainties., "Oh no, I don't have TPM 2.0, how can I possibly survive?" (Gotcha).
 

STbob

Posts: 49   +21
Crybabies don't like change. I finally switched to windows 11 after hearing everyone piss and whine about how terrible it is 2 months ago. Well I sure as hell like it more than windows 10. Once I moved the start button to the left I was golden. I also feel like it performs better. I can actually switch from a game to desktop without my system feeling like it popped a turd in it's shorts now which never happened with windows 10. I honestly thought I wasn't going to like it so I kept my windows 10 partition but I'm deleting it to make more space for games.

Plus! I can hit the start button and see all the programs I want to actually run not a list of crap I don't care about.
6 people liked this but 10,000 disliked it, techspot removed the dislike button there were so many.

Windows 11 is a pig with a dress on. If thats how you like your women the windows 11 is for you.
 

BobHome

Posts: 209   +86
"Windows 12 will supposedly be separated into "states" that live on different partitions on the storage drive."
If these modular "states" are pieces you only install because you have a tablet, or a laptop, and do not need the 'full desktop experience', that I look forward to it.
I'm envisioning 'potential partitions' versus every single one being installed.
 

hwertz

Posts: 299   +171
You left off the "no, I don't use Windows" from the poll. (I'm not sticking with Windows 7 *or* using 10/11.

The faster updates, updates not requiring reboots as often, having better ability to install just what you want, that sounds great.

The other part? Good luck with that. It's been Microsoft's dream for years to convince people they want a "browser and office only" Windows version, with everything else running through a restricted runtime. But they don't, they've had that for 8, 8.1, 10, and 11 and nobody wants it. (See "Windows 10 S mode" for example). Replacing "Windows store" with "Android" doesn't really make it any more appealing. People run Windows to run Windows apps on it; if I really wanted to just run a browser and office suite, I'd install a barebones Linux distro and put firefox or chrome (or both!) and libreoffice on it. Probably lower system requirements that way too.
 

rogueTempo

Posts: 12   +2
I'm down for this. Windows 11 was nothing more than a stunt, similar to Windows 8. But also similar to that predecesor, it eventually gave way to a better OS after it. I have absolutely no interest in downgrading from Windows 10 to 11, but the rumored focus for 12 seems just as important as how 10's focus on cloud features made it a must-have.
 

lazer

Posts: 468   +148
I hate windows. I think it is terrible and only gets worse. I am using win7 and it is good.but I aint upgrading or buying a 'puter with windows. I'll go Linux.
 
Microsoft is, once again, overlooking the shift in the computational environment. Intel and AMD have fallen far behind in the space. ARM and to a lesser degree ESP systems are slowly proliferating via the IOT category and more recently the server industry. Users want less downtime, longer runtime on mobile devices and fewer updates that create dev ops interaction. Wyse terminals are becoming more common in the SMB environment. Additionally larger equipment manufacturers are moving back to a leased market where the user pays monthly and gets unlimited product support. While windows may have market share, Linux is becoming more of a player both from an EU perspective and backend support.

I have seen Windows “12” and the underlying code is based on an existing OS base that is already in the space. It is not really an improvement currently and has a long way to go to be viable but legacy concerns are holding it back.

The market has and continues to change. Microsoft has simply refused to admit they do not see the real future.